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The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was an American initiative to aid Europe, in which the United States gave $13 billion (approximately $120 billion in current dollar value) in economic support to help rebuild European economies after the end of World War II. The plan was in operation for four years beginning in April 1948. The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, make Europe prosperous again, and prevent the spread of communism. The Marshall Plan required a lessening of interstate barriers, a dropping of many petty regulations constraining business, and encouraged an increase in productivity, labour union membership, as well as the adoption of modern business procedures.

The Marshall Plan aid was divided amongst the participant states roughly on a per capita basis. A larger amount was given to the major industrial powers, as the prevailing opinion was that their resuscitation was essential for general European revival. Somewhat more aid per capita was also directed towards the Allied nations, with less for those that had been part of the Axis or remained neutral. The largest recipient of Marshall Plan money was the United Kingdom (receiving about 26% of the total), followed by France (18%) and West Germany (11%). Some 18 European countries received Plan benefits.[3] Although offered participation, the Soviet Union refused Plan benefits, and also blocked benefits to Eastern Bloc countries, such as East Germany and Poland. The United States provided similar aid programs in Asia, but they were not called "Marshall Plan".

The initiative is named after Secretary of State George Marshall. The plan had bipartisan support in Washington, where the Republicans controlled Congress and the Democrats controlled the White House with Harry S. Truman as president. The Plan was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan, with help from Brookings Institution, as requested by Senator Arthur H. Vandenberg, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.[4] Marshall spoke of an urgent need to help the European recovery in his address at Harvard University in June 1947.[1][5]

The phrase "equivalent of the Marshall Plan" is often used to describe a proposed large-scale economic rescue program.[6]

Contents

1 Development and deployment
2 Wartime destruction
3 Initial post-war events
3.1 Slow recovery
4 Soviet negotiations
5 Marshall's speech
6 Rejection by the Soviets
6.1 Initial reactions
6.2 Compulsory Eastern Bloc rejection
6.3 Yugoslavia
6.4 Szklarska Poręba meeting
7 Negotiations
8 Implementation
8.1 Technical Assistance Program
8.2 German level of industry restrictions
9 Expenditures
10 Loans and grants
11 Effects and legacy
12 Repayment
13 Areas without the Plan
13.1 Aid to Asia
13.2 Canada
13.3 World total
14 Criticism
14.1 Laissez-faire criticism
14.2 Modern criticism
15 In popular culture
16 See also
17 Notes
18 References
19 Further reading
20 External links

Development and deployment

The reconstruction plan, developed at a meeting of the participating European states, was drafted on June 5, 1947. It offered the same aid to the Soviet Union and its allies, but they refused to accept it,[7][8] as to do so would be to allow a degree of US control over the Communist economies.[9] In fact, the Soviet Union even prevented its satellite states (i.e. East Germany, Poland, etc.) from accepting. Secretary Marshall became convinced that Stalin had absolutely no interest in helping restore economic health in Western Europe.[10] President Harry Truman signed the Marshall Plan on April 3, 1948, granting $5 billion in aid to 16 European nations. During the four years that the plan was operational, US donated $13 billion in economic and technical assistance to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for European Economic Co-operation. In 2013, the equivalent sum reflecting currency inflation since 1948 totalled roughly $148 billion.[11] The $13 billion was in the context of a US GDP of $258 billion in 1948, and was on top of $13 billion in American aid to Europe between the end of the war and the start of the Plan that is counted separately from the Marshall Plan.[12] The Marshall Plan was replaced by the Mutual Security Plan at the end of 1951; that new plan gave away about $7 billion annually until 1961 when it in turn was replaced by new program.[13]

The ERP addressed each of the obstacles to postwar recovery. The plan looked to the future, and did not focus on the destruction caused by the war. Much more important were efforts to modernize European industrial and business practices using high-efficiency American models, reducing artificial trade barriers, and instilling a sense of hope and self-reliance.[14]

By 1952, as the funding ended, the economy of every participant state had surpassed pre-war levels; for all Marshall Plan recipients, output in 1951 was at least 35% higher than in 1938.[15] Over the next two decades, Western Europe enjoyed unprecedented growth and prosperity, but economists are not sure what proportion was due directly to the ERP, what proportion indirectly, and how much would have happened without it. A common American interpretation of the program's role in European recovery is the one expressed by Paul Hoffman, head of the Economic Cooperation Administration, in 1949, when he told Congress that Marshall aid had provided the "critical margin" on which other investment needed for European recovery depended.[16] The Marshall Plan was one of the first elements of European integration, as it erased trade barriers and set up institutions to coordinate the economy on a continental level—that is, it stimulated the total political reconstruction of western Europe.[17]

Belgian economic historian Herman Van der Wee concludes the Marshall Plan was a "great success":

"It gave a new impetus to reconstruction in Western Europe and made a decisive contribution to the renewal of the transport system, the modernization of industrial and agricultural equipment, the resumption of normal production, the raising of productivity, and the facilitating of intra-European trade."[18]

European Recovery Program expenditures by country
Wartime destruction

By the end of World War II, much of Europe was devastated. Sustained aerial bombardment during the war had badly damaged most major cities, and industrial facilities were especially hard-hit.[19] The region's trade flows had been thoroughly disrupted; millions were in refugee camps living on aid from United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration and other agencies. Food shortages were severe, especially in the harsh winter of 1946–1947. From July 1945 through June 1946, the United States shipped 16.5 million tons of food, primarily wheat, to Europe and Japan. It amounted to 1/6 of the American food supply, and provided 35 trillion calories, enough to provide 400 calories a day for one year to 300 million people.[20]

Especially damaged was transportation infrastructure, as railways, bridges, and docks had been specifically targeted by air strikes, while much merchant shipping had been sunk. Although most small towns and villages had not suffered as much damage, the destruction of transportation left them economically isolated. None of these problems could be easily remedied, as most nations engaged in the war had exhausted their treasuries in its execution.[21]

The only major powers whose infrastructure had not been significantly harmed in World War II were the United States and Canada. They were much more prosperous than before the war but exports were a small factor in their economy. Much of the Marshall Plan aid would be used by the Europeans to buy manufactured goods and raw materials from the United States and Canada.[22]
Initial post-war events
Slow recovery

Europe's economies were recovering slowly, as unemployment and food shortages led to strikes and unrest in several nations. In 1947 the European economies were still well below their pre-war levels and were showing few signs of growth. Agricultural production was 83% of 1938 levels, industrial production was 88%, and exports only 59%.[23] In Britain the situation was not as severe.[24]

In Germany in 1945–46 housing and food conditions were bad, as the disruption of transport, markets and finances slowed a return to normality. In the West, bombing had destroyed 5,000,000 houses and apartments, and 12,000,000 refugees from the east had crowded in.[24] Food production was only two-thirds of the pre-war level in 1946–48, while normal grain and meat shipments no longer arrived from the East. Furthermore, the large shipments of food stolen from occupied nations during the war no longer reached Germany. Industrial production fell more than half and reached pre-war levels only at the end of 1949.[25]

While Germany struggled to recover from the destruction of the War, the recovery effort began in June of 1948, moving on from emergency relief. The currency reform in 1948 was headed by the military government and helped Germany to restore stability by encouraging production. The reform revalued old currency and deposits and introduced new currency. Taxes were also reduced and Germany prepared to remove economic roadblocks.[26]

During the first three years of occupation of Germany the UK and US vigorously pursued a military disarmament program in Germany, partly by removal of equipment but mainly through an import embargo on raw materials, part of the Morgenthau Plan approved by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.[27]

Nicholas Balabkins concludes that "as long as German industrial capacity was kept idle the economic recovery of Europe was delayed."[28] By July 1947 Washington realized that economic recovery in Europe could not go forward without the reconstruction of the German industrial base, deciding that an "orderly, prosperous Europe requires the economic contributions of a stable and productive Germany."[29] In addition, the strength of Moscow-controlled communist parties in France and Italy worried Washington.[30]

In the view of the State Department under President Harry S. Truman, the United States needed to adopt a definite position on the world scene or fear losing credibility. The emerging doctrine of containment (as opposed to rollback) argued that the United States needed to substantially aid non-communist countries to stop the spread of Soviet influence. There was also some hope that the Eastern European nations would join the plan, and thus be pulled out of the emerging Soviet bloc, but that did not happen.
The hunger-winter of 1947, thousands protest in West Germany against the disastrous food situation (March 31, 1947). The sign says: We want coal, we want bread

In January 1947, Truman appointed retired General George Marshall as Secretary of State. In July 1947 Marshall scrapped Joint Chiefs of Staff Directive 1067 implemented as part of the Morgenthau Plan under the personal supervision of Roosevelt's treasury secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr., which had decreed "take no steps looking toward the economic rehabilitation of Germany [or] designed to maintain or strengthen the German economy." Thereafter, JCS 1067 was supplanted by JCS 1779, stating that "an orderly and prosperous Europe requires the economic contributions of a stable and productive Germany."[31] The restrictions placed on German heavy industry production were partly ameliorated; permitted steel production levels were raised from 25% of pre-war capacity to a new limit placed at 50% of pre-war capacity.[32]

With a Communist insurgency threatening Greece, and Britain financially unable to continue its aid, the President announced his Truman Doctrine on 12 March 1947, "to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures", with an aid request for consideration and decision, concerning Greece and Turkey. Also in March 1947, former US President Herbert Hoover, in one of his reports from Germany, argued for a change in US occupation policy, amongst other things stating:

"There is the illusion that the New Germany left after the annexations can be reduced to a 'pastoral state' (Morgenthau's vision). It cannot be done unless we exterminate or move 25,000,000 people out of it."[33]

Hoover further noted that, "The whole economy of Europe is interlinked with German economy through the exchange of raw materials and manufactured goods. The productivity of Europe cannot be restored without the restoration of Germany as a contributor to that productivity."[34] Hoover's report led to a realization in Washington that a new policy was needed; "almost any action would be an improvement on current policy."[35] In Washington, the Joint Chiefs declared that the "complete revival of German industry, particularly coal mining" was now of "primary importance" to American security.[31]
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club

    dnc said:

    The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was an American initiative to aid Europe, in which the United States gave $13 billion (approximately $120 billion in current dollar value) in economic support to help rebuild European economies after the end of World War II. The plan was in operation for four years beginning in April 1948. The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, make Europe prosperous again, and prevent the spread of communism. The Marshall Plan required a lessening of interstate barriers, a dropping of many petty regulations constraining business, and encouraged an increase in productivity, labour union membership, as well as the adoption of modern business procedures.

    The Marshall Plan aid was divided amongst the participant states roughly on a per capita basis. A larger amount was given to the major industrial powers, as the prevailing opinion was that their resuscitation was essential for general European revival. Somewhat more aid per capita was also directed towards the Allied nations, with less for those that had been part of the Axis or remained neutral. The largest recipient of Marshall Plan money was the United Kingdom (receiving about 26% of the total), followed by France (18%) and West Germany (11%). Some 18 European countries received Plan benefits.[3] Although offered participation, the Soviet Union refused Plan benefits, and also blocked benefits to Eastern Bloc countries, such as East Germany and Poland. The United States provided similar aid programs in Asia, but they were not called "Marshall Plan".

    The initiative is named after Secretary of State George Marshall. The plan had bipartisan support in Washington, where the Republicans controlled Congress and the Democrats controlled the White House with Harry S. Truman as president. The Plan was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan, with help from Brookings Institution, as requested by Senator Arthur H. Vandenberg, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.[4] Marshall spoke of an urgent need to help the European recovery in his address at Harvard University in June 1947.[1][5]

    The phrase "equivalent of the Marshall Plan" is often used to describe a proposed large-scale economic rescue program.[6]

    Contents

    1 Development and deployment
    2 Wartime destruction
    3 Initial post-war events
    3.1 Slow recovery
    4 Soviet negotiations
    5 Marshall's speech
    6 Rejection by the Soviets
    6.1 Initial reactions
    6.2 Compulsory Eastern Bloc rejection
    6.3 Yugoslavia
    6.4 Szklarska Poręba meeting
    7 Negotiations
    8 Implementation
    8.1 Technical Assistance Program
    8.2 German level of industry restrictions
    9 Expenditures
    10 Loans and grants
    11 Effects and legacy
    12 Repayment
    13 Areas without the Plan
    13.1 Aid to Asia
    13.2 Canada
    13.3 World total
    14 Criticism
    14.1 Laissez-faire criticism
    14.2 Modern criticism
    15 In popular culture
    16 See also
    17 Notes
    18 References
    19 Further reading
    20 External links

    Development and deployment

    The reconstruction plan, developed at a meeting of the participating European states, was drafted on June 5, 1947. It offered the same aid to the Soviet Union and its allies, but they refused to accept it,[7][8] as to do so would be to allow a degree of US control over the Communist economies.[9] In fact, the Soviet Union even prevented its satellite states (i.e. East Germany, Poland, etc.) from accepting. Secretary Marshall became convinced that Stalin had absolutely no interest in helping restore economic health in Western Europe.[10] President Harry Truman signed the Marshall Plan on April 3, 1948, granting $5 billion in aid to 16 European nations. During the four years that the plan was operational, US donated $13 billion in economic and technical assistance to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for European Economic Co-operation. In 2013, the equivalent sum reflecting currency inflation since 1948 totalled roughly $148 billion.[11] The $13 billion was in the context of a US GDP of $258 billion in 1948, and was on top of $13 billion in American aid to Europe between the end of the war and the start of the Plan that is counted separately from the Marshall Plan.[12] The Marshall Plan was replaced by the Mutual Security Plan at the end of 1951; that new plan gave away about $7 billion annually until 1961 when it in turn was replaced by new program.[13]

    The ERP addressed each of the obstacles to postwar recovery. The plan looked to the future, and did not focus on the destruction caused by the war. Much more important were efforts to modernize European industrial and business practices using high-efficiency American models, reducing artificial trade barriers, and instilling a sense of hope and self-reliance.[14]

    By 1952, as the funding ended, the economy of every participant state had surpassed pre-war levels; for all Marshall Plan recipients, output in 1951 was at least 35% higher than in 1938.[15] Over the next two decades, Western Europe enjoyed unprecedented growth and prosperity, but economists are not sure what proportion was due directly to the ERP, what proportion indirectly, and how much would have happened without it. A common American interpretation of the program's role in European recovery is the one expressed by Paul Hoffman, head of the Economic Cooperation Administration, in 1949, when he told Congress that Marshall aid had provided the "critical margin" on which other investment needed for European recovery depended.[16] The Marshall Plan was one of the first elements of European integration, as it erased trade barriers and set up institutions to coordinate the economy on a continental level—that is, it stimulated the total political reconstruction of western Europe.[17]

    Belgian economic historian Herman Van der Wee concludes the Marshall Plan was a "great success":

    "It gave a new impetus to reconstruction in Western Europe and made a decisive contribution to the renewal of the transport system, the modernization of industrial and agricultural equipment, the resumption of normal production, the raising of productivity, and the facilitating of intra-European trade."[18]

    European Recovery Program expenditures by country
    Wartime destruction

    By the end of World War II, much of Europe was devastated. Sustained aerial bombardment during the war had badly damaged most major cities, and industrial facilities were especially hard-hit.[19] The region's trade flows had been thoroughly disrupted; millions were in refugee camps living on aid from United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration and other agencies. Food shortages were severe, especially in the harsh winter of 1946–1947. From July 1945 through June 1946, the United States shipped 16.5 million tons of food, primarily wheat, to Europe and Japan. It amounted to 1/6 of the American food supply, and provided 35 trillion calories, enough to provide 400 calories a day for one year to 300 million people.[20]

    Especially damaged was transportation infrastructure, as railways, bridges, and docks had been specifically targeted by air strikes, while much merchant shipping had been sunk. Although most small towns and villages had not suffered as much damage, the destruction of transportation left them economically isolated. None of these problems could be easily remedied, as most nations engaged in the war had exhausted their treasuries in its execution.[21]

    The only major powers whose infrastructure had not been significantly harmed in World War II were the United States and Canada. They were much more prosperous than before the war but exports were a small factor in their economy. Much of the Marshall Plan aid would be used by the Europeans to buy manufactured goods and raw materials from the United States and Canada.[22]
    Initial post-war events
    Slow recovery

    Europe's economies were recovering slowly, as unemployment and food shortages led to strikes and unrest in several nations. In 1947 the European economies were still well below their pre-war levels and were showing few signs of growth. Agricultural production was 83% of 1938 levels, industrial production was 88%, and exports only 59%.[23] In Britain the situation was not as severe.[24]

    In Germany in 1945–46 housing and food conditions were bad, as the disruption of transport, markets and finances slowed a return to normality. In the West, bombing had destroyed 5,000,000 houses and apartments, and 12,000,000 refugees from the east had crowded in.[24] Food production was only two-thirds of the pre-war level in 1946–48, while normal grain and meat shipments no longer arrived from the East. Furthermore, the large shipments of food stolen from occupied nations during the war no longer reached Germany. Industrial production fell more than half and reached pre-war levels only at the end of 1949.[25]

    While Germany struggled to recover from the destruction of the War, the recovery effort began in June of 1948, moving on from emergency relief. The currency reform in 1948 was headed by the military government and helped Germany to restore stability by encouraging production. The reform revalued old currency and deposits and introduced new currency. Taxes were also reduced and Germany prepared to remove economic roadblocks.[26]

    During the first three years of occupation of Germany the UK and US vigorously pursued a military disarmament program in Germany, partly by removal of equipment but mainly through an import embargo on raw materials, part of the Morgenthau Plan approved by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.[27]

    Nicholas Balabkins concludes that "as long as German industrial capacity was kept idle the economic recovery of Europe was delayed."[28] By July 1947 Washington realized that economic recovery in Europe could not go forward without the reconstruction of the German industrial base, deciding that an "orderly, prosperous Europe requires the economic contributions of a stable and productive Germany."[29] In addition, the strength of Moscow-controlled communist parties in France and Italy worried Washington.[30]

    In the view of the State Department under President Harry S. Truman, the United States needed to adopt a definite position on the world scene or fear losing credibility. The emerging doctrine of containment (as opposed to rollback) argued that the United States needed to substantially aid non-communist countries to stop the spread of Soviet influence. There was also some hope that the Eastern European nations would join the plan, and thus be pulled out of the emerging Soviet bloc, but that did not happen.
    The hunger-winter of 1947, thousands protest in West Germany against the disastrous food situation (March 31, 1947). The sign says: We want coal, we want bread

    In January 1947, Truman appointed retired General George Marshall as Secretary of State. In July 1947 Marshall scrapped Joint Chiefs of Staff Directive 1067 implemented as part of the Morgenthau Plan under the personal supervision of Roosevelt's treasury secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr., which had decreed "take no steps looking toward the economic rehabilitation of Germany [or] designed to maintain or strengthen the German economy." Thereafter, JCS 1067 was supplanted by JCS 1779, stating that "an orderly and prosperous Europe requires the economic contributions of a stable and productive Germany."[31] The restrictions placed on German heavy industry production were partly ameliorated; permitted steel production levels were raised from 25% of pre-war capacity to a new limit placed at 50% of pre-war capacity.[32]

    With a Communist insurgency threatening Greece, and Britain financially unable to continue its aid, the President announced his Truman Doctrine on 12 March 1947, "to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures", with an aid request for consideration and decision, concerning Greece and Turkey. Also in March 1947, former US President Herbert Hoover, in one of his reports from Germany, argued for a change in US occupation policy, amongst other things stating:

    "There is the illusion that the New Germany left after the annexations can be reduced to a 'pastoral state' (Morgenthau's vision). It cannot be done unless we exterminate or move 25,000,000 people out of it."[33]

    Hoover further noted that, "The whole economy of Europe is interlinked with German economy through the exchange of raw materials and manufactured goods. The productivity of Europe cannot be restored without the restoration of Germany as a contributor to that productivity."[34] Hoover's report led to a realization in Washington that a new policy was needed; "almost any action would be an improvement on current policy."[35] In Washington, the Joint Chiefs declared that the "complete revival of German industry, particularly coal mining" was now of "primary importance" to American security.[31]

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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,990
    pawz said:

    dnc said:

    The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was an American initiative to aid Europe, in which the United States gave $13 billion (approximately $120 billion in current dollar value) in economic support to help rebuild European economies after the end of World War II. The plan was in operation for four years beginning in April 1948. The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, make Europe prosperous again, and prevent the spread of communism. The Marshall Plan required a lessening of interstate barriers, a dropping of many petty regulations constraining business, and encouraged an increase in productivity, labour union membership, as well as the adoption of modern business procedures.

    The Marshall Plan aid was divided amongst the participant states roughly on a per capita basis. A larger amount was given to the major industrial powers, as the prevailing opinion was that their resuscitation was essential for general European revival. Somewhat more aid per capita was also directed towards the Allied nations, with less for those that had been part of the Axis or remained neutral. The largest recipient of Marshall Plan money was the United Kingdom (receiving about 26% of the total), followed by France (18%) and West Germany (11%). Some 18 European countries received Plan benefits.[3] Although offered participation, the Soviet Union refused Plan benefits, and also blocked benefits to Eastern Bloc countries, such as East Germany and Poland. The United States provided similar aid programs in Asia, but they were not called "Marshall Plan".

    The initiative is named after Secretary of State George Marshall. The plan had bipartisan support in Washington, where the Republicans controlled Congress and the Democrats controlled the White House with Harry S. Truman as president. The Plan was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan, with help from Brookings Institution, as requested by Senator Arthur H. Vandenberg, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.[4] Marshall spoke of an urgent need to help the European recovery in his address at Harvard University in June 1947.[1][5]

    The phrase "equivalent of the Marshall Plan" is often used to describe a proposed large-scale economic rescue program.[6]

    Contents

    1 Development and deployment
    2 Wartime destruction
    3 Initial post-war events
    3.1 Slow recovery
    4 Soviet negotiations
    5 Marshall's speech
    6 Rejection by the Soviets
    6.1 Initial reactions
    6.2 Compulsory Eastern Bloc rejection
    6.3 Yugoslavia
    6.4 Szklarska Poręba meeting
    7 Negotiations
    8 Implementation
    8.1 Technical Assistance Program
    8.2 German level of industry restrictions
    9 Expenditures
    10 Loans and grants
    11 Effects and legacy
    12 Repayment
    13 Areas without the Plan
    13.1 Aid to Asia
    13.2 Canada
    13.3 World total
    14 Criticism
    14.1 Laissez-faire criticism
    14.2 Modern criticism
    15 In popular culture
    16 See also
    17 Notes
    18 References
    19 Further reading
    20 External links

    Development and deployment

    The reconstruction plan, developed at a meeting of the participating European states, was drafted on June 5, 1947. It offered the same aid to the Soviet Union and its allies, but they refused to accept it,[7][8] as to do so would be to allow a degree of US control over the Communist economies.[9] In fact, the Soviet Union even prevented its satellite states (i.e. East Germany, Poland, etc.) from accepting. Secretary Marshall became convinced that Stalin had absolutely no interest in helping restore economic health in Western Europe.[10] President Harry Truman signed the Marshall Plan on April 3, 1948, granting $5 billion in aid to 16 European nations. During the four years that the plan was operational, US donated $13 billion in economic and technical assistance to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for European Economic Co-operation. In 2013, the equivalent sum reflecting currency inflation since 1948 totalled roughly $148 billion.[11] The $13 billion was in the context of a US GDP of $258 billion in 1948, and was on top of $13 billion in American aid to Europe between the end of the war and the start of the Plan that is counted separately from the Marshall Plan.[12] The Marshall Plan was replaced by the Mutual Security Plan at the end of 1951; that new plan gave away about $7 billion annually until 1961 when it in turn was replaced by new program.[13]

    The ERP addressed each of the obstacles to postwar recovery. The plan looked to the future, and did not focus on the destruction caused by the war. Much more important were efforts to modernize European industrial and business practices using high-efficiency American models, reducing artificial trade barriers, and instilling a sense of hope and self-reliance.[14]

    By 1952, as the funding ended, the economy of every participant state had surpassed pre-war levels; for all Marshall Plan recipients, output in 1951 was at least 35% higher than in 1938.[15] Over the next two decades, Western Europe enjoyed unprecedented growth and prosperity, but economists are not sure what proportion was due directly to the ERP, what proportion indirectly, and how much would have happened without it. A common American interpretation of the program's role in European recovery is the one expressed by Paul Hoffman, head of the Economic Cooperation Administration, in 1949, when he told Congress that Marshall aid had provided the "critical margin" on which other investment needed for European recovery depended.[16] The Marshall Plan was one of the first elements of European integration, as it erased trade barriers and set up institutions to coordinate the economy on a continental level—that is, it stimulated the total political reconstruction of western Europe.[17]

    Belgian economic historian Herman Van der Wee concludes the Marshall Plan was a "great success":

    "It gave a new impetus to reconstruction in Western Europe and made a decisive contribution to the renewal of the transport system, the modernization of industrial and agricultural equipment, the resumption of normal production, the raising of productivity, and the facilitating of intra-European trade."[18]

    European Recovery Program expenditures by country
    Wartime destruction

    By the end of World War II, much of Europe was devastated. Sustained aerial bombardment during the war had badly damaged most major cities, and industrial facilities were especially hard-hit.[19] The region's trade flows had been thoroughly disrupted; millions were in refugee camps living on aid from United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration and other agencies. Food shortages were severe, especially in the harsh winter of 1946–1947. From July 1945 through June 1946, the United States shipped 16.5 million tons of food, primarily wheat, to Europe and Japan. It amounted to 1/6 of the American food supply, and provided 35 trillion calories, enough to provide 400 calories a day for one year to 300 million people.[20]

    Especially damaged was transportation infrastructure, as railways, bridges, and docks had been specifically targeted by air strikes, while much merchant shipping had been sunk. Although most small towns and villages had not suffered as much damage, the destruction of transportation left them economically isolated. None of these problems could be easily remedied, as most nations engaged in the war had exhausted their treasuries in its execution.[21]

    The only major powers whose infrastructure had not been significantly harmed in World War II were the United States and Canada. They were much more prosperous than before the war but exports were a small factor in their economy. Much of the Marshall Plan aid would be used by the Europeans to buy manufactured goods and raw materials from the United States and Canada.[22]
    Initial post-war events
    Slow recovery

    Europe's economies were recovering slowly, as unemployment and food shortages led to strikes and unrest in several nations. In 1947 the European economies were still well below their pre-war levels and were showing few signs of growth. Agricultural production was 83% of 1938 levels, industrial production was 88%, and exports only 59%.[23] In Britain the situation was not as severe.[24]

    In Germany in 1945–46 housing and food conditions were bad, as the disruption of transport, markets and finances slowed a return to normality. In the West, bombing had destroyed 5,000,000 houses and apartments, and 12,000,000 refugees from the east had crowded in.[24] Food production was only two-thirds of the pre-war level in 1946–48, while normal grain and meat shipments no longer arrived from the East. Furthermore, the large shipments of food stolen from occupied nations during the war no longer reached Germany. Industrial production fell more than half and reached pre-war levels only at the end of 1949.[25]

    While Germany struggled to recover from the destruction of the War, the recovery effort began in June of 1948, moving on from emergency relief. The currency reform in 1948 was headed by the military government and helped Germany to restore stability by encouraging production. The reform revalued old currency and deposits and introduced new currency. Taxes were also reduced and Germany prepared to remove economic roadblocks.[26]

    During the first three years of occupation of Germany the UK and US vigorously pursued a military disarmament program in Germany, partly by removal of equipment but mainly through an import embargo on raw materials, part of the Morgenthau Plan approved by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.[27]

    Nicholas Balabkins concludes that "as long as German industrial capacity was kept idle the economic recovery of Europe was delayed."[28] By July 1947 Washington realized that economic recovery in Europe could not go forward without the reconstruction of the German industrial base, deciding that an "orderly, prosperous Europe requires the economic contributions of a stable and productive Germany."[29] In addition, the strength of Moscow-controlled communist parties in France and Italy worried Washington.[30]

    In the view of the State Department under President Harry S. Truman, the United States needed to adopt a definite position on the world scene or fear losing credibility. The emerging doctrine of containment (as opposed to rollback) argued that the United States needed to substantially aid non-communist countries to stop the spread of Soviet influence. There was also some hope that the Eastern European nations would join the plan, and thus be pulled out of the emerging Soviet bloc, but that did not happen.
    The hunger-winter of 1947, thousands protest in West Germany against the disastrous food situation (March 31, 1947). The sign says: We want coal, we want bread

    In January 1947, Truman appointed retired General George Marshall as Secretary of State. In July 1947 Marshall scrapped Joint Chiefs of Staff Directive 1067 implemented as part of the Morgenthau Plan under the personal supervision of Roosevelt's treasury secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr., which had decreed "take no steps looking toward the economic rehabilitation of Germany [or] designed to maintain or strengthen the German economy." Thereafter, JCS 1067 was supplanted by JCS 1779, stating that "an orderly and prosperous Europe requires the economic contributions of a stable and productive Germany."[31] The restrictions placed on German heavy industry production were partly ameliorated; permitted steel production levels were raised from 25% of pre-war capacity to a new limit placed at 50% of pre-war capacity.[32]

    With a Communist insurgency threatening Greece, and Britain financially unable to continue its aid, the President announced his Truman Doctrine on 12 March 1947, "to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures", with an aid request for consideration and decision, concerning Greece and Turkey. Also in March 1947, former US President Herbert Hoover, in one of his reports from Germany, argued for a change in US occupation policy, amongst other things stating:

    "There is the illusion that the New Germany left after the annexations can be reduced to a 'pastoral state' (Morgenthau's vision). It cannot be done unless we exterminate or move 25,000,000 people out of it."[33]

    Hoover further noted that, "The whole economy of Europe is interlinked with German economy through the exchange of raw materials and manufactured goods. The productivity of Europe cannot be restored without the restoration of Germany as a contributor to that productivity."[34] Hoover's report led to a realization in Washington that a new policy was needed; "almost any action would be an improvement on current policy."[35] In Washington, the Joint Chiefs declared that the "complete revival of German industry, particularly coal mining" was now of "primary importance" to American security.[31]

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    This
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    The Communist Manifesto is divided into a preamble and four sections, the last of these a short conclusion. The introduction begins by proclaiming "A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre". Pointing out that parties everywhere—including those in government and those in the opposition—have flung the "branding reproach of communism" at each other, the authors infer from this that the powers-that-be acknowledge communism to be a power in itself. Subsequently, the introduction exhorts Communists to openly publish their views and aims, to "meet this nursery tale of the spectre of communism with a manifesto of the party itself".

    The first section of the Manifesto, "Bourgeois and Proletarians", elucidates the materialist conception of history, that "the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles". Societies have always taken the form of an oppressed majority living under the thumb of an oppressive minority. In capitalism, the industrial working class, or proletariat, engage in class struggle against the owners of the means of production, the bourgeoisie. As before, this struggle will end in a revolution that restructures society, or the "common ruin of the contending classes". The bourgeoisie, through the "constant revolutionising of production [and] uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions" have emerged as the supreme class in society, displacing all the old powers of feudalism. The bourgeoisie constantly exploits the proletariat for its labour power, creating profit for themselves accumulating capital. However by doing so the bourgeoisie "are its own grave-diggers"; the proletariat inevitably will become conscious of their own potential and rise to power through revolution, overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

    "Proletarians and Communists", the second section, starts by stating the relationship of conscious communists to the rest of the working class. The communists' party will not oppose other working-class parties, but unlike them, it will express the general will and defend the common interests of the world's proletariat as a whole, independent of all nationalities. The section goes on to defend communism from various objections, such as the claim that communists advocate "free love", and the claim that people will not perform labour in a communist society because they have no incentive to work. The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands—among them a progressive income tax; abolition of inheritances; free public education etc.—the implementation of which would be a precursor to a stateless and classless society.

    The third section, "Socialist and Communist Literature", distinguishes communism from other socialist doctrines prevalent at the time—these being broadly categorised as Reactionary Socialism; Conservative or Bourgeois Socialism; and Critical-Utopian Socialism and Communism. While the degree of reproach toward rival perspectives varies, all are dismissed for advocating reformism and failing to recognise the pre-eminent revolutionary role of the working class. "Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Opposition Parties", the concluding section of the Manifesto, briefly discusses the communist position on struggles in specific countries in the mid-nineteenth century such as France, Switzerland, Poland, and Germany, this last being "on the eve of a bourgeois revolution", and predicts that a world revolution will soon follow. It ends by declaring an alliance with the social democrats, boldly supporting other communist revolutions, and calling for united international proletarian action.

    “ Working Men of All Countries, Unite! ”
    —Closing line
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    TL, DR

    The Marshall Plan was classic Keynesian economics. It saved Western Europe and stymied the commies

    Good chit
  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    I can see that a couple of the girls influenced by the power brokers got their panties in a big twist.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,616 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

    TL, DR

    The Marshall Plan was classic Keynesian economics. It saved Western Europe and stymied the commies

    Good chit

    Uh oh. Any element of Keynesian economics is evil to most on this bored.

  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    AZDuck said:

    TL, DR

    The Marshall Plan was classic Keynesian economics. It saved Western Europe and stymied the commies

    Good chit

    Huh? If you actually believe that I weep for your education...try digging up the history of Ludwig Erhard back in Germany's reconstruction after the war.

    If you think that was Keynesian...holy f*ck that is frightening...


  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    @HoustonHusky please to be explaining how flooding a moribund economy with no demand with cash is not Keynesian. Or, you know, provide a LINK? to this Ludwig Erhard character. Sounds like the villain in a Robert Ludlum novel
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    AZDuck said:

    @HoustonHusky please to be explaining how flooding a moribund economy with no demand with cash is not Keynesian. Or, you know, provide a LINK? to this Ludwig Erhard character. Sounds like the villain in a Robert Ludlum novel

    So I have to teach you history? Yet another indictment of a duck education...

    If I were you I'd start by reading this:
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Commanding-Heights-Battle-Economy/dp/068483569X

    or get the cliffnotes and watch this:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/

    Or maybe at least figure out who Ludwig Erhard is before you write off anything contradicting the fantasy in your head as a "villain in a Robert Ludlum novel"

    Or keep spewing things factually incorrect and incredibly stupid and patting yourself on the back for it...I don't care really.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    I don't GAF what a German chancellor who served less than 2 years in office thought.

    Using cash infusions to stimulate demand is pure Keynes. Tell me that it isn't.

    Where is the Ludwig Erhard stamp?

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    If you don't like Keynes that's your prerogative, but you're swimming against the current of serious economic scholarship. The only reason fresh-water economists have any support is the subsidies thrown their way by right-wing wingnut welfare (oh, the irony!)

    Economic historians J. Bradford DeLong and Barry Eichengreen call [the Marshall Plan] "history's most successful structural adjustment program."

    But yeah, keep pretending that it wasn't in line with Keynesian theory.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    AZDuck said:

    I don't GAF what a German chancellor who served less than 2 years in office thought.

    Like I said before...keep spewing things factually incorrect and incredibly stupid and patting yourself on the back for it...why let reality conflict with the theory in your head.

    BTW...he didn't live in a vacuum before becoming chancellor. And go read something other than Ludlum...you might actually learn something.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Bro, do you even Brad DeLong?

    (econ prof at Berkeley)
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Why a fine lib like JFK. Should have been a certain idiotic lib like a certain one I have to deal with daily. That at least would make fiscal sense
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    The fuck is a Keynesian? Is that the twat muscle?
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    The fuck is a Keynesian? Is that the twat muscle?

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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    edited June 2015
    AZDuck said:

    Bro, do you even Brad DeLong?

    (econ prof at Berkeley)

    What, according to his own words?

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w3899

    "We examine the economic effects of the Marshall Plan, and find that it was not large enough to have significantly accelerated recovery by financing investment , aiding the reconstruction of damaged infrastructure, or easing commodity bottlenecks. We argue, however, that the Marshall Plan did play a major role in setting the stage for post-World War II Western Europe's rapid growth. The conditions attached to Marshall Plan aid pushed European political economy in a direction that left its post World War II "mixed economies" with more "market" and less "controls" in the mix. "

    I.e. the guy you cited said it was "history's most successful structural adjustment program." by changing from a centrally planned economy to market economy (which is where Ludwig Erhard comes in) and not by throwing money at the problem.

    Like I said, keep speaking in cliches without having a clue as to what you are talking about...maybe you just don't understand Keynesian...I'm not sure...but you are really out in left field on this one.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    I think you think that I am opposed to the free market. Not the case.

  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    I think you made a really dumb claim about Keynesian economics, the Marshall Plan, and somehow saying that the Marshall Plan somehow validated Keynesian economics.

    I also think you are just deflecting now.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited June 2015
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2013/05/30/keynes-answers-his-critics/

    If you agree that "pump priming" is a Keynesian concept... and if you agree that the US made billions of dollars available to European countries for reconstruction and other activities since their economies were hugely depressed after the war... I'm not sure how you can say that the Marshall Plan was not Keynesian stimulus. It doesn't really matter that your Bond villain guy helped Germany re-structure its economy into a more-market-oriented version of mixed capitalism - that was going to happen and was very much part of the program (and again, I'm not anti-markets, so I think that was a good move as well).

    Or you know, this guy, writing in Forbes (yes, Forbes is my source)
    First, there was the Marshall Plan, which is unabashedly Keynesian in intent and scope. That vast stimulus program not only rebuilt Japan, Germany and the rest of Europe, it recast them as world-class industrial exporters. While neither country has a perfect economy today, they avoided the perils of the 2008 credit-fueled recession, even though they had piled up plenty of domestic debt.
    So there's a guy who must be an economic illiterate like me, writing in public that the Marshall Plan was Keynesian. He obviously didn't get the memo.

    There's also this guy in Le Monde Diplomatique: http://mondediplo.com/1997/06/lead2
    The Marshall Plan itself was profoundly influenced by the interventionist theory of economics espoused by John Maynard Keynes in his "General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money." Keynes had argued that governments ought now rely just on markets alone, but should do all in their power to secure full employment by achieving a better redistribution of income. The Marshall Plan also provided a way of gaining public acceptance in Europe for the New Deal format that the United States used successfully before the war to end the recession triggered by the 1929 Wall Street crash.
    FDR *and* Keynes?

    LUDWIG VON MISES, TRUE?!?!?!?!!?!??

    This guy puts it in comic-book format for dipshits like me who can't be expected to understand a nuanced subject like economics: https://markusgrass.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/1945_keynesianismus_marshall_plan.pdf

    And those are literally the first three hits on Google for "Marshall Plan Keynes." But yeah, keep hugging your dead German politician.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    edited June 2015
    What, the economist from Berkeley who according to you was right is now very wrong? He said the $$$ were pretty insignificant and the policy (which doesn't match Keynesian theory) was the reason for the turnaround. And a bunch of economists believe the same. And no, it was not a given that the Marshall Plan was freeing up the markets...for a period of time it did the exact opposite and things weren't better (they were kinda a mess if you actually go back and read about it). That was the brilliance of Ludwig Erhard (and U.S. General Lucius D. Clay)...they ignored orders and removed the price controls on a bunch of products.

    I love your two new "sources":
    1) a blogger with degrees in psychology and communications (not a Forbes magazine contributor) and Al Jazeera America guest who's famous works include "The Green Supermarket Shopping Guide", "The Green Company Resource Guide", "The Cul-de-Sac Syndrome" and "Keynes's Way to Wealth". And...

    2) a Spanish socialist journalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramonet)

    The sad thing is you could actually learn something from this...instead its a facts be damned dig in your heels and trot any and everything out to try and prove yourself correct no matter what reality says. Its very Hondo...

    Heck, read Brad DeLong's paper I linked to...I not a fan of all his stuff and I hadn't read it before but its a pretty good read. Or just keep spinning and speaking in clichés without having a clue about what you are talking about...I don't care really...
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    What, the economist from Berkeley who according to you was right is now very wrong? He said the $$$ were pretty insignificant and the policy (which doesn't match Keynesian theory) was the reason for the turnaround. And a bunch of economists believe the same. And no, it was not a given that the Marshall Plan was freeing up the markets...for a period of time it did the exact opposite and things weren't better (they were kinda a mess if you actually go back and read about it). That was the brilliance of Ludwig Erhard (and U.S. General Lucius D. Clay)...they ignored orders and removed the price controls on a bunch of products.

    I love your two new "sources":
    1) a blogger with degrees in psychology and communications (not a Forbes magazine contributor) and Al Jazeera America guest who's famous works include "The Green Supermarket Shopping Guide", "The Green Company Resource Guide", "The Cul-de-Sac Syndrome" and "Keynes's Way to Wealth". And...

    2) a Spanish socialist journalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramonet)

    The sad thing is you could actually learn something from this...instead its a facts be damned dig in your heels and trot any and everything out to try and prove yourself correct no matter what reality says. Its very Hondo...

    Heck, read Brad DeLong's paper I linked to...I not a fan of all his stuff and I hadn't read it before but its a pretty good read. Or just keep spinning and speaking in clichés without having a clue about what you are talking about...I don't care really...

    Next time you link a source, I'll attack the background of the person you sourced. Oh wait, you've never provided a link.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    I don't care if you attack the sources I cited. I only cited them because they were the first three links that popped up in the Google machine when I typed "Marshall Plan Keynes." Yell at Google, not me. It's not cherry-picking if you aren't picking.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=marshall+plan+keynes

    I skimmed the DeLong article. My reading would indicate that he assumes a Keynesian construct for the whole thing. (DeLong is a Keynesian in good standing, so this is unsurprising.)

    What DeLong says is that the Marshall Plan did more for the European economy than one would expect from the relative size of the stimulus, and proceeds to examine why that appears to have been the case. An implicit assumption is that stimulus (i.e. Keynesian economics) works.
    "Marshall Plan aid of two and one-half percent of GDP goes a substantial way toward closing [the] excess demand gap." (at 46)
    So, basically, pump more cash into an economy which is sputtering because of poor demand, and demand increases as persons with more cash spend the money.

    The basic concept is Keynesian. The economic impact of the Marshall Plan was disproportionate to the stimulus, but in a good way, which led DeLong to ask what other factors were present.

    So, I need you to explain to me how the Marshall Plan was not really demand-side stimulus (even though the DeLong article you cite seems to think it was) or how demand-side stimulus is not Keynesian.

    Keynes wouldn't have cared how the money was spent, whether you dropped it from a helicopter or (as in the actual Marshall Plan) mandated that governments match Marshall Plan aid dollar-for-dollar (or lira, franc, mark, whatever) to be spent on US-approved projects. Because, you know, in the long run we're all dead.

    The fact that Colonel Klink helped re-vamp the West German economy and gave it a more free-market orientation is great, and I think it was very significant. But neither 1955 West Germany or 2015 unified Germany is terribly "free-market" by the standards of Anglo-Saxon observers. Their mix of state and private economic actors is much more "statist" than is ours or England's.

    Government spending to stimulate demand = Keynes

    The Marshall Plan spent US Government money to stimulate demand in Europe (and also help them reform their economies and keep them on our side of the Iron Curtain).

    Win-win-win.

    It was awesome.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    2001400ex said:

    What, the economist from Berkeley who according to you was right is now very wrong? He said the $$$ were pretty insignificant and the policy (which doesn't match Keynesian theory) was the reason for the turnaround. And a bunch of economists believe the same. And no, it was not a given that the Marshall Plan was freeing up the markets...for a period of time it did the exact opposite and things weren't better (they were kinda a mess if you actually go back and read about it). That was the brilliance of Ludwig Erhard (and U.S. General Lucius D. Clay)...they ignored orders and removed the price controls on a bunch of products.

    I love your two new "sources":
    1) a blogger with degrees in psychology and communications (not a Forbes magazine contributor) and Al Jazeera America guest who's famous works include "The Green Supermarket Shopping Guide", "The Green Company Resource Guide", "The Cul-de-Sac Syndrome" and "Keynes's Way to Wealth". And...

    2) a Spanish socialist journalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramonet)

    The sad thing is you could actually learn something from this...instead its a facts be damned dig in your heels and trot any and everything out to try and prove yourself correct no matter what reality says. Its very Hondo...

    Heck, read Brad DeLong's paper I linked to...I not a fan of all his stuff and I hadn't read it before but its a pretty good read. Or just keep spinning and speaking in clichés without having a clue about what you are talking about...I don't care really...

    Next time you link a source, I'll attack the background of the person you sourced. Oh wait, you've never provided a link.
    From earlier in this thread...
    http://www.nber.org/papers/w3899
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Commanding-Heights-Battle-Economy/dp/068483569X
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/

    Shite or get off the pot you effin moron...
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited June 2015
    this is a message bored. Quote or something. If your quote is interesting, maybe I'll look at the source. I looked at the DeLong article, and I don't think it supports your point (that the Marshall Plan is not Keynesian)

    A link to a book on Amazon and a link to a webpage promoting a TV show are not information. Part of debate is making your point of view and sources comprehensible. Thus far you are failing.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    edited June 2015
    In short, DeLong says its not Keynesian in that the spending was not critical to the economic development (in fact he pointed out most of the infrastructure rebuilding happened before the Marshall Plan). He didn't say Keynesian is right or wrong (he's a Liberal and pretty Keynesian which makes this entire thread pretty funny in that even his work directly contradicts you)...he said in the paper at least the turnaround and development in the economy was due to moving out of govt controls (price controls and many other govt-controlled mechanisms in the economy) and into a much more market-based system. That is completely opposite of Keynesian...i.e. reducing govt control over the economy (in a pretty rough stretch of the economy in Germany at the time) instead of having the govt step in and control the swings of boom/bust via spending. You can get into the pricing aspect as well, but I'll leave that be for now...

    You can argue its not binary and the Marshall Plan doesn't completely disprove Keynesian theory and I won't disagree, but is FS to say the Marshall Plan is somehow based in and validates Keynesian theory...i.e. back to my original post.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    edited June 2015
    AZDuck said:

    this is a message bored. Quote or something. If your quote is interesting, maybe I'll look at the source. I looked at the DeLong article, and I don't think it supports your point (that the Marshall Plan is not Keynesian)

    A link to a book on Amazon and a link to a webpage promoting a TV show are not information. Part of debate is making your point of view and sources comprehensible. Thus far you are failing.

    I guess I should stick to quotes from socialist journalists and psychologists when talking economic policy and not use academic papers from actual economists and standard MBA reference material. Makes sense...

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    I'll stick to the abstract for the DeLong paper...I guess its short enough for you to (not) comprehend?

    "The post-World War II reconstruction of Western Europe was one of the greatest economic policy and foreign policy successes of this century. "Folk wisdom" assigns a major role in successful reconstruction to the Marshall Plan: the program that transferred some $13 billion to Europe in the years 1948-51. We examine the economic effects of the Marshall Plan, and find that it was not large enough to have significantly accelerated recovery by financing investment, aiding the reconstruction of damaged infrastructure, or easing commodity bottlenecks. We argue, however, that the Marshall Plan did play a major role in setting the stage for post-World War II Western Europe's rapid growth. The conditions attached to Marshall Plan aid pushed European political economy in a direction that left its post World War II "mixed economies" with more "market" and less "controls" in the mix. "


  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    No wonder you don't understand macro, if you're an MBA.

    Keynes absolutely DNGAF about "controls" in an economy. His big idea was smoothing out the market cycle by using government spending to stimulate aggregate demand.

    The Marshall Plan stimulated aggregate demand, in part, via government spending from the US, which was matched by the Euro governments. It worked better than the modeling would suggest, and in part due to reduction of controls and so forth.

    But the Keynesianism already happened before that.

    If you want to say that demand wasn't stimulated as much by the spending but rather by the loosening of regulations and administrative control by governments, that's fine. Just so long as you understand that the basic idea behind demand stimulus is Keynesian.

    Anytime a government engages in countercyclical spending to stimulate aggregate demand, they are following Keynes. The Marshall Plan did just that. That is all.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    MBA was a side project...better than a psychology degree or being a socialist journalist...you know...where you apparently get your economic understanding.

    DeLong said the spending was inconsequential...along with many others economists. Simple fact. The driving force behind the effectiveness of the Marshall Plan was having the govt reduce control over the economy and letting prices and such move sharply to viable points...doesn't match up or validate Keynesian theory of govt activism and price rigidity in the face of economic troubles (you know...your original FS claim). Simple fact.

    Keep spinning...maybe you can find a transgendered chef to quote economic theory next?