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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    2001400ex said:

    haie said:

    2001400ex said:

    Is anyone going to actually respond to the topic at hand? That a large portion of conservatives are very misinformed.

    Here's the reality, fucktard: I can be a lazy piece of shit and not work, formulate habits that are horrible for my health, and then get free healthcare now.

    Just in principle that is wrong.
    What's stopping you from doing so?

    If you were smart, you'd find a way to make $40k a year, own your house outright, but show income of $11k so you get free health care.
    If you're willing to post step by step how to make 40,000/year, buy a house outright and report only 11k so Race can subsidize your healthcare, I'd be willing to read it.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    haie said:

    2001400ex said:

    Is anyone going to actually respond to the topic at hand? That a large portion of conservatives are very misinformed.

    Here's the reality, fucktard: I can be a lazy piece of shit and not work, formulate habits that are horrible for my health, and then get free healthcare now.

    Just in principle that is wrong.
    What's stopping you from doing so?

    If you were smart, you'd find a way to make $40k a year, own your house outright, but show income of $11k so you get free health care.
    If you're willing to post step by step how to make 40,000/year, buy a house outright and report only 11k so Race can subsidize your healthcare, I'd be willing to read it.
    Own several rentals, claim a loss from depreciation when you make $2,000 a month in rent. Then own a small business as an LLC, draw $25k but claim unreimbursed partnership expenses to get your income where you need it. Your business should be in a different town than you live in and you need to be a material participant in the business.

    I doubt race pays taxes. Not cause he's smart like that, but because he's poor like that.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771


    2. The only thing that matters to me, is how Obama fucked up MY medical insurance, MY medical care and MY medical costs. I was never one of the freeloaders demanding private medical care as a 'right', which of course... it is not.

    The whole world isn't about you and what happens to you. You sound like a child that doesn't want to share his toy.

    If medical care isn't a right then cheap medical care sure as shit isn't a right. You have to pay more. Deal with it. You don't have any rights on it.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    haie said:

    2001400ex said:

    Is anyone going to actually respond to the topic at hand? That a large portion of conservatives are very misinformed.

    Here's the reality, fucktard: I can be a lazy piece of shit and not work, formulate habits that are horrible for my health, and then get free healthcare now.

    Just in principle that is wrong.
    But millions of people being uninsured isn't wrong in principle? And who exactly made these principles you're speaking of? Do you have refrences and evidence to show these principles? Or is it just how you feel? Because you're smarter than everyone else and you get to decide right and wrong? Are you a god? We're you elected King of Principles? No? Then shut the fuck up. It's not in principle. It's in your opinion. And your opinion isn't made more valid because you claim its a principle.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,675 Founders Club


    2. The only thing that matters to me, is how Obama fucked up MY medical insurance, MY medical care and MY medical costs. I was never one of the freeloaders demanding private medical care as a 'right', which of course... it is not.

    The whole world isn't about you and what happens to you. You sound like a child that doesn't want to share his toy.

    If medical care isn't a right then cheap medical care sure as shit isn't a right. You have to pay more. Deal with it. You don't have any rights on it.
    If privacy isn't a true right in this country, then healthcare sure as fuck shouldn't be one. Absolving people of personal responsibility by granting them new "rights" out of thin air is fucking special.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,573
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    Too bad most premiums went up. Huge victory for the middle class.

    Of course premiums went up, it's called inflation. No one, not even Obama, said premiums would go down.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so

    Except he did.

    *slurp*

    *gargle*
    When was that video taken? The plan that was passed was drastically different than the one he campaigned on. But you knew that.

    Also, it's not that premiums would go down from current levels. The projection was that premiums would increase less. Thus saving families $2,500. Obamcare did make the increases each year much lower and has saved families quite a bit in premiums. And many families they have gone down much more than $2,500.

    So he didn't hit $2,500 on average but the bill did save families money. But you knew that too.
    He supported the passing bill, did he not?

    When you calculate the amount of benefit given to "free loaders" then you may have a point on "net" cost.

    But, the medical insurance rate year to year increased at a higher rate to already paying insureds than the years prior. Simple Fact.

    This is another example of moving the goal post. The average cost per insured is lower, when you add in the new insureds that get it for free. However, middle america is paying for it. Thus, you squeeze the middle class and the poverty level ever so closer together. How people like you can not figure this out is beyond me.
    Support?

    And I'm the trust fund baby with an 8th 5th grade education.
    http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations/2015/04/01/obamacare-decreased-the-quality-of-life-for-average-americans-n1979156/page/full
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    All the rights you have in this country were granted out of thin air.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    Too bad most premiums went up. Huge victory for the middle class.

    Of course premiums went up, it's called inflation. No one, not even Obama, said premiums would go down.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so

    Except he did.

    *slurp*

    *gargle*
    When was that video taken? The plan that was passed was drastically different than the one he campaigned on. But you knew that.

    Also, it's not that premiums would go down from current levels. The projection was that premiums would increase less. Thus saving families $2,500. Obamcare did make the increases each year much lower and has saved families quite a bit in premiums. And many families they have gone down much more than $2,500.

    So he didn't hit $2,500 on average but the bill did save families money. But you knew that too.
    He supported the passing bill, did he not?

    When you calculate the amount of benefit given to "free loaders" then you may have a point on "net" cost.

    But, the medical insurance rate year to year increased at a higher rate to already paying insureds than the years prior. Simple Fact.

    This is another example of moving the goal post. The average cost per insured is lower, when you add in the new insureds that get it for free. However, middle america is paying for it. Thus, you squeeze the middle class and the poverty level ever so closer together. How people like you can not figure this out is beyond me.
    Support?

    And I'm the trust fund baby with an 8th 5th grade education.
    http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations/2015/04/01/obamacare-decreased-the-quality-of-life-for-average-americans-n1979156/page/full
    Did you even read this?
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,675 Founders Club

    All the rights you have in this country were granted out of thin air.

    I don't see it that way at all. Traditional rights actually have the individual in mind, impose personal responsibility on that individual, and don't fuck with other people by being granted. And they are founded on the same culture that made this country great. And even then some of those aren't explicitly granted. What the fuck does granting someone healthcare by virtue of being born in this country have to do with that? Healthcare is a service, not a right.

    But I get it, fuck this country and everyone not in the 'have nots' crowd.