Romar's ace in the (2) hole
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Haven't all of these guys signed LOIs? I don't follow basketball recruiting that closely ... so I don't know.
It'd be one thing if the next coaching hire is somebody that the kids look at and say "who?" and then decide that they'd rather ask out of their LOI.
If it's somebody that is a proven winner (i.e. Marshall), barring a complete personality clash, I would expect that most of these players would look at the opportunity to play for a proven winning coach and say that they are in a good place.
And if you lose a class, you lose a class. Far more important to have a healthy program long-term even if that means a lean year or two because look at this year ... total dreckfest.
My overarching philosophy is that when you know somebody isn't the answer in a position like this, you're better off finding the next option because you'll be that much closer to finding the actual solution. -
This isn't true. Ahmed Rorie was released from his LOI from Cal once Montgomery retired. He ended up at Oregon. UW, WSU, and ASU also went after him. He's not an elite recruit. A lot of schools have room.ThomasFremont said:
It's also late in the season. If Romar is fired in April, that only leaves a few months for guys that want to leave to find a school that still has a spot for them. Chances are, most big programs moved on and signed someone else. Which means their 2nd and 3rd choices probably aren't an option anymore.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:The difference is these recruits have signed LOI's, it is very difficult for them to bolt, especially because I am sure most of them have local school/city pride. I don't think there are many players that get out of their LOI's when college coaches leave.
Murray is the only one good enough that a coach would boot a kid to make room for. Not that the others are bad, they're just not worth kicking a kid that you gave a scholarship to off the team for another player at the last minute. Most coaches wouldn't do that anyway.
You actually think coaches won't want Chriss or Dime if they were released from their LOI? Maybe Crisp and the big guy from Canada would have trouble finding suitors, but the others would not. -
The point is that there is a good chance that their 2nd and 3rd choices don't have a spot anymore. Notice how none of the schools you listed are named Arizona or UCLA or anyone else good?RoadDawg55 said:
This isn't true. Ahmed Rorie was released from his LOI from Cal once Montgomery retired. He ended up at Oregon. UW, WSU, and ASU also went after him. He's not an elite recruit. A lot of schools have room.ThomasFremont said:
It's also late in the season. If Romar is fired in April, that only leaves a few months for guys that want to leave to find a school that still has a spot for them. Chances are, most big programs moved on and signed someone else. Which means their 2nd and 3rd choices probably aren't an option anymore.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:The difference is these recruits have signed LOI's, it is very difficult for them to bolt, especially because I am sure most of them have local school/city pride. I don't think there are many players that get out of their LOI's when college coaches leave.
Murray is the only one good enough that a coach would boot a kid to make room for. Not that the others are bad, they're just not worth kicking a kid that you gave a scholarship to off the team for another player at the last minute. Most coaches wouldn't do that anyway.
You actually think coaches won't want Chriss or Dime if they were released from their LOI? Maybe Crisp and the big guy from Canada would have trouble finding suitors, but the others would not. -
And again, if you keep Romar next year and then fire him, the program will be leveled to the ground. At that point, you're trying to find someone to coach a team that will be one of the worst in the country and you end up having to hire a second-rate guy because nobody else wants to commit career suicideTequilla said:Haven't all of these guys signed LOIs? I don't follow basketball recruiting that closely ... so I don't know.
It'd be one thing if the next coaching hire is somebody that the kids look at and say "who?" and then decide that they'd rather ask out of their LOI.
If it's somebody that is a proven winner (i.e. Marshall), barring a complete personality clash, I would expect that most of these players would look at the opportunity to play for a proven winning coach and say that they are in a good place.
And if you lose a class, you lose a class. Far more important to have a healthy program long-term even if that means a lean year or two because look at this year ... total dreckfest.
My overarching philosophy is that when you know somebody isn't the answer in a position like this, you're better off finding the next option because you'll be that much closer to finding the actual solution. -
Yes, and the recruiting class nonsense is still meaningless, because you'll probably get a few transfers anyway.bananasnblondes said:
And again, if you keep Romar next year and then fire him, the program will be leveled to the ground. At that point, you're trying to find someone to coach a team that will be one of the worst in the country and you end up having to hire a second-rate guy because nobody else wants to commit career suicideTequilla said:Haven't all of these guys signed LOIs? I don't follow basketball recruiting that closely ... so I don't know.
It'd be one thing if the next coaching hire is somebody that the kids look at and say "who?" and then decide that they'd rather ask out of their LOI.
If it's somebody that is a proven winner (i.e. Marshall), barring a complete personality clash, I would expect that most of these players would look at the opportunity to play for a proven winning coach and say that they are in a good place.
And if you lose a class, you lose a class. Far more important to have a healthy program long-term even if that means a lean year or two because look at this year ... total dreckfest.
My overarching philosophy is that when you know somebody isn't the answer in a position like this, you're better off finding the next option because you'll be that much closer to finding the actual solution.
After firing a coach, the new coach has to start over and rebuild. That's just how it works. It's fine, it really doesn't take long, see any coach that's worth a shit. Miller, Monty, Altman, kryspykreme at Utah...
Yeah, you lose some players/recruits in the switch. Stop being a pussy about it. -
Brad Jackson to replace Romar???RoadDawg55 said:
It's pretty hard to develop a relationship and trust a coaching staff in a matter of a couple weeks. If UW hired a coach that already knew the kids and had some kind of relationship, that would obviously help the chances of them staying
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Lots of schools have spots available because of transfers and early entrants in the draft. They sometimes even purposely keep spots available for Spring signing and transfers.ThomasFremont said:
The point is that there is a good chance that their 2nd and 3rd choices don't have a spot anymore. Notice how none of the schools you listed are named Arizona or UCLA or anyone else good?RoadDawg55 said:
This isn't true. Ahmed Rorie was released from his LOI from Cal once Montgomery retired. He ended up at Oregon. UW, WSU, and ASU also went after him. He's not an elite recruit. A lot of schools have room.ThomasFremont said:
It's also late in the season. If Romar is fired in April, that only leaves a few months for guys that want to leave to find a school that still has a spot for them. Chances are, most big programs moved on and signed someone else. Which means their 2nd and 3rd choices probably aren't an option anymore.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:The difference is these recruits have signed LOI's, it is very difficult for them to bolt, especially because I am sure most of them have local school/city pride. I don't think there are many players that get out of their LOI's when college coaches leave.
Murray is the only one good enough that a coach would boot a kid to make room for. Not that the others are bad, they're just not worth kicking a kid that you gave a scholarship to off the team for another player at the last minute. Most coaches wouldn't do that anyway.
You actually think coaches won't want Chriss or Dime if they were released from their LOI? Maybe Crisp and the big guy from Canada would have trouble finding suitors, but the others would not. -
I agree there will be spots if the guys want to leave, but overall the locals will stay unless we hire a complete boob. I don't think people understand how big the pull is from local UW/NBA legends to stay local. Romar is a good recruiter in some areas, but those who don't think that broy, nate, conroy, tre', brock, spencer among the many others don't do a huge service to these kids recruitment are kidding themselves. They regularly play in pickup and and city leagues and spout UW, UW, UW.
The idea that UW needs romar to forever succeed is a ridiculous notion. I wish the guy would have kept his style, or gone back to it after a year or two of futile efforts. But he seems bound and determined to repeat the same stupid mistakes year after year now. -
The B-Roy, Will, Nate angle is talked about a lot, but what has it actually done? It could change now that B Roy is involved with AAU ball, but up to this point, it's done nothing. Before this year, Romar has whiffed on every good in state recruit in state since Wroten. The legitimate recruits such as Shaquan Aaron and Zach Lavine went elsewhere.FreeChavez said:I agree there will be spots if the guys want to leave, but overall the locals will stay unless we hire a complete boob. I don't think people understand how big the pull is from local UW/NBA legends to stay local. Romar is a good recruiter in some areas, but those who don't think that broy, nate, conroy, tre', brock, spencer among the many others don't do a huge service to these kids recruitment are kidding themselves. They regularly play in pickup and and city leagues and spout UW, UW, UW.
The idea that UW needs romar to forever succeed is a ridiculous notion. I wish the guy would have kept his style, or gone back to it after a year or two of futile efforts. But he seems bound and determined to repeat the same stupid mistakes year after year now.
Those guys are legends and should always be welcomed, but trying to appease them is FS. Just get a good basketball coach and everything will work itself out. Everything else such as the recruiting class, Romar being a great guy, the NBA guys love Romar... It's white noise. -
Regardless of the coach next year, isn't the identity of the team going to be the frosh takeover?
You would think they would just pick up the phone and confirm with each other "we got this, it's us AA, NWG (might foolishly bolt still) and? ? JJ?
These kids still want to play asap and bolt to the pros if they prove their worth.
There isn't a better school that offers that opportunity on the west coast.
Minus the elk grove kid, they are all local. I say they stay regardless.
