Romar's ace in the (2) hole
The more I think about this, the more I think it is complete bullshit.
If you throw the bank at someone and bring in a good coach (which is Woody's job), their first challenge will be to keep these guys in the boat. I can't imagine that any of these recruits are super excited to be playing for Romar at this point. It would also be a huge carrot for a big-time coach. In most cases, you'd be walking into a complete disaster following the firing of a long-term coach, but in this case, you're walking into a top-10 recruiting class if you can keep them at UW. 3 of the guys being local helps you in this regard. You also possibly have a few guys in NWG, AA, or JJ who could be talked into sticking around.
If you keep Romar, he fails to make the tournament again (which is extremely likely), and he gets fired, the whole team will leave and the incoming coach will be walking into an absolute shitpile. NWG and Murray will jump to the pros, the other players will transfer after a bad experience at UW, and whoever has the balls/bad career sense to take the job will be building from nothing.
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Mail. The AD. Now.
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Why let them out of their LOI's?bananasnblondes said:For all except the truly dumb (Romar should get to retire from UW on his own terms because he is a great man and good representative of the university), the overwhelming reason that Romar should be kept for another year is because of the great recruiting class he's bringing in. The argument is that you at least have to get the recruiting class in the door and if you fire Romar you have to let them out of their LOIs.
The more I think about this, the more I think it is complete bullshit.
If you throw the bank at someone and bring in a good coach (which is Woody's job), their first challenge will be to keep these guys in the boat. I can't imagine that any of these recruits are super excited to be playing for Romar at this point. It would also be a huge carrot for a big-time coach. In most cases, you'd be walking into a complete disaster following the firing of a long-term coach, but in this case, you're walking into a top-10 recruiting class if you can keep them at UW. 3 of the guys being local helps you in this regard. You also possibly have a few guys in NWG, AA, or JJ who could be talked into sticking around.
If you keep Romar, he fails to make the tournament again (which is extremely likely), and he gets fired, the whole team will leave and the incoming coach will be walking into an absolute shitpile. NWG and Murray will jump to the pros, the other players will transfer after a bad experience at UW, and whoever has the balls/bad career sense to take the job will be building from nothing.
When the UW fired June, they didn't let Katelon Redmon out of her LOI and stuck her with Tia.
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The recruiting class is likely what will save Romar. That said, if Romar gets fired, and he won't, the recruits will likely bolt. They committed to Romar and will go where they have a relationship with the coaches i.e. their 2nd and 3rd choices.
A smart AD would look at the long term benefits and fire Romar anyways. An even smarter AD would have fired Romar after last year, which would have been completely fair and a much better time to do so. -
If they hire the right coach, you won't lose the whole class. The recruits still have to meet with the new coach,ask out of their LOIs, and give an actual reason they aren't compatible with the new coach. Again, I'm not sure any of these guys would have chosen to play for Romar if they saw this season's piss poor coaching job.RoadDawg55 said:The recruiting class is likely what will save Romar. That said, if Romar gets fired, and he won't, the recruits will likely bolt. They committed to Romar and will go where they have a relationship with the coaches i.e. their 2nd and 3rd choices.
A smart AD would look at the long term benefits and fire Romar anyways. An even smarter AD would have fired Romar after last year, which would have been completely fair and a much better time to do so. -
Couldn't disagree more on the recruiting class bolts. I think the majority stay in the boat, especially the most important kids. The locals are staying b/c it's UW, and they have Broy, Nate, Conroy, etc pushing for kids to stay local and make UW good. Sorry, but romar leaving doesn't automatically create a mass exodus of local kids to other schools. To be fair, i'd be just fine if a new coach came in and tried to keep Thyb, Murray, Crisp and Criss. The other two can go away for all I care. Sure, maybe one will be alright, but at this point should anyone trust romar's ability to spot talent from JC ranks? Dime is a big body which we could obviously use, but Devenir is another disaster waiting to happen. If half leave, what does it matter anyhow? This roster is complete shit show and a new coach will have to build the team to the player he wants. Not romar's vision of shit roster mgt and talent eval.
If we were handicapping the theory that romar leaves players leave, i'll put the % i think that player leaves:
Murray - 5%
Crisp - 0%
Thyb - 5%
Criss - 40%
Dime - 50%
Devenir - 50%(this scholy may get pulled from a new coach. IE, one who doesn't believe the BS that you must have a 7' ogre on your team to compete)
Let's walk down another road that just recently happened. CP. He came in and closed the door on two local recruits who likely wouldn't have come to UW. Why is the basketball program any different? The new coach will have to sell themselves to top level local guys every year. The notion that we'll have some mass exodus is absolutely comical. Especially considering the dreck fest we've had the last few years. We need a mass exodus. Oregon, oregon st and Utah are very recent examples where a coach came in and had very few scholy players b/c the old coach sucked. They somehow have put together good squads in short time periods. We've had a full roster and have the worst team in the pac12. -
I just can't imagine recruits seeing a coaching upgrade (assuming the next coach in this scenario is an upgrade) and thinking to themselves "wow, this is a bad situation now, I'm out of here". I think players most of the time choose a program for one of two reasons - they want to win and/or they want exposure to help them get drafted. Romar doesn't exactly help in either case while the next coach might. That said, why the hell did they commit to Romar in the first place?RoadDawg55 said:The recruiting class is likely what will save Romar. That said, if Romar gets fired, and he won't, the recruits will likely bolt. They committed to Romar and will go where they have a relationship with the coaches i.e. their 2nd and 3rd choices.
A smart AD would look at the long term benefits and fire Romar anyways. An even smarter AD would have fired Romar after last year, which would have been completely fair and a much better time to do so. -
If you can show me some precedent of recruits staying, I would buy it. From what I have followed, when a coach is fired or bolts, the recruits leave most of the time. Maybe the local guys could be convinced to stay, but it's dicey. The guys listed that encourage them to choose UW all like Romar and would probably be disappointed about UW firing him. Thinking they will stay is wishful thinking.
It's pretty hard to develop a relationship and trust a coaching staff in a matter of a couple weeks. If UW hired a coach that already knew the kids and had some kind of relationship, that would obviously help the chances of them staying.
The recruiting class or any individual recruits should not be a reason for keeping Romar. I don't care if Murray, Chriss, and the other bolt if Romar is fired. I would still look at it as a good thing. -
If you think keeping a coach to save a recruiting class is worth it, you deserve another #Owen12. Simple fact.
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The difference is these recruits have signed LOI's, it is very difficult for them to bolt, especially because I am sure most of them have local school/city pride. I don't think there are many players that get out of their LOI's when college coaches leave.
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It's also late in the season. If Romar is fired in April, that only leaves a few months for guys that want to leave to find a school that still has a spot for them. Chances are, most big programs moved on and signed someone else. Which means their 2nd and 3rd choices probably aren't an option anymore.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:The difference is these recruits have signed LOI's, it is very difficult for them to bolt, especially because I am sure most of them have local school/city pride. I don't think there are many players that get out of their LOI's when college coaches leave.
Murray is the only one good enough that a coach would boot a kid to make room for. Not that the others are bad, they're just not worth kicking a kid that you gave a scholarship to off the team for another player at the last minute. Most coaches wouldn't do that anyway.
