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State Department spokesperson: "We can’t stop ISIS by killing them, we need to give them jobs."
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State Department Spokesperson Marie Harf told Chris Matthews that ISIS can be stopped if we just create jobs for them. This bitch went to private schools all her life and Daddy's alma mater Ivy League college. She doesn't know a fucking thing about anything, except which fork to use at dinner.
... but if we kill them, will the dead ones still want jobs? Somebody please explain how dead Muslims want jobs from us?
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She's got ironically thick rimmed glasses, so clearly she's smarter than everyone.
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Maybe the jobs we give them will all be as grave diggers?
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Maybe at some point before deciding to radicalize and join ISIS, they wanted jobs but those now part of ISIS can't be helped. Setting them up at a VO-Tech isn't going to cause them to throw away their AKs.
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Need a shot of her rack to make that determination.brchco12 said:She's got ironically thick rimmed glasses, so clearly she's smarter than everyone.
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Maybe we can hire them as death panels for obamacare?
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State is both right and wrong on this one. If we had actually used their blueprint "Future of Iraq" that they generated in 2003, we might have been able to build a halfway decent successor state to Saddam Hussein, but we didn't (in part because it explicitly said that we would need troops in Iraq for 10 years plus - which was not politically okay back in 2003).
Iraq is proper fucked now, a true failed state. Jobs are no longer the problem. That was the problem in 2007. Joe Biden's probably right in that the best bet would be to partition Iraq along ethnic and sectarian lines. But we can't say that publically. -
We had troops in Iraq until Obama pulled them out. Now we're sending them back. All so Obama could claim a victory in 2012.
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First off, the economy can't take on more minimum wage (minimum value) workers at $15 an hour. Which might not be a problem here since ISIS doesn't give a shit about money at a micro level. These guys just want to wipe out everything that isn't them. Giving them jobs will not solve that problem.
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Not quite. GWB negotiated a Status of Forces Agreement requiring the US to withdraw its forces by the end of 2011. Obama failed to re-negotiate the terms of said agreement to ensure that US troops stationed in Iraq would not be subject to Iraqi laws and courts, so US forces left.
Doesn't really matter, Iraq is proper fucked. -
If you actually care to get the facts there is a good Frontline called "Losing Iraq" that goes into detail of exactly how we fucked up (spoiler: Partisan hacks won't be pleased as blame is cast on both Bush and Obama). http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/losing-iraq/
If you don't care to watch that here is the synopsis: we vastly underestimated the amount of time, money & resources needed to rebuild Iraq after we bombed it to shit. After about a decade of failed attempts we actually started to get things headed in the right direction towards the end of the Bush presidency. We stopped the sectarian fighting by paying and training the minority tribes to become mercenaries for the central government(that group was called "The Sons of Iraq"). After a decade of trying to fight an underfunded and undermanned war we had found a solution that minimized US involvement but armed a bunch of fucking crazy ass tribesman which, if you remember the outcome of the Soviet War in Afghanistan, didn't end well for the US(Taliban, Osama Bin Laden, 9-11... you get it).
Then Obama came into office and was hell bent on getting out of Iraq despite what generals were telling him. We started pulling troops out and the majority Islamic faction, on queue, started committing religious genocide against the minority tribes. But this time they were armed with weapons that the US gave them as mercenaries for the central government. Same as the fucking Taliban in the 80s. So now you have ISIS which was the Sons of Iraq who were trained and armed by the US.
The notion of jobs being a solution is really saying "we actually need to build a nation state that is sustainable and inclusive to every faction inside Iraq." Jobs is a part of it. A seat at the politcal table for all religious factions is a part of it. The reality is that Iraq is a religious battleground and the prospects of all that happening is pretty fucking small. Which begs the question why were in there in the first place? Once boots were on the ground, why pussy-foot around and try to minimize our activity in the country? And once we have some shit working why pull out when we can pretty much guarantee the outcome is going to be shitty for both Iraq and the US?
