I have just have to say
The guy is world class.
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Greatest coach in Seattle pro sports history, and probably retires being greatest Seattle coach, period.
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Aren't you concerned Pete embarrassed this great city with that last play call?
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Agreed with everything (unless youre saying lou was embarrassing??)
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Sweet Lou, Don James, Lenny Wilkins, Pete Carroll ... I love those mother fuckers. I wouldn't suck their dick or anything ... but I love the bastards.
I also liked Ground Chuck ... didn't love him ... liked him.
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Did you know that Mike Holmgren coached Joe Montana?topdawgnc said:Sweet Lou, Don James, Lenny Wilkins, Pete Carroll ... I love those mother fuckers. I wouldn't suck their dick or anything ... but I love the bastards.
I also liked Ground Chuck ... didn't love him ... liked him.
Holmgren ... can diaff for all I care.
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I hate Holmgren. He was an overrated coach who rode Favre and the worst division in the NFL to success. Green Bay in the mid 90's were like the Seahawks now. Ron Wolf the gm is going into the Hall of Fame for a reason. Any coach would have won there. Holmgren was a total dipshit when he ran the personnel side in Seattle and Cleveland.
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There is no way Green Bay should have lost that Super Bowl to Denver. It was a sloppy performance all the way.
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Dude took the Seahawks to the Super Bowel.RoadDawg55 said:I hate Holmgren. He was an overrated coach who rode Favre and the worst division in the NFL to success. Green Bay in the mid 90's were like the Seahawks now. Ron Wolf the gm is going into the Hall of Fame for a reason. Any coach would have won there. Holmgren was a total dipshit when he ran the personnel side in Seattle and Cleveland.
The fucking Seahawks.
I agree he's overrated as hell. But I can't hate the first coach that made that team matter in 20 years.
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If we are talking about greatest coaches can we refrain from including baseball "managers" who really don't do shit and have the least influence on outcomes compared to other sports.
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Disagree ...HeretoBeatmyChest said:If we are talking about greatest coaches can we refrain from including baseball "managers" who really don't do shit and have the least influence on outcomes compared to other sports.
A good to great manager not only has a strong influence over the pitching aspect of the game, but also in terms of putting his players in the best possible position to be successful.
Further, baseball is an everyday sport for over 6 months where performance matters literally every single day. Having the pulse of your roster and knowing when to give guys a day off here and there as well as knowing when to go to the whip and when to just stay the course is a huge factor when considering a good or bad manager. -
Mike Holmgren had two first round draft picks one year for Cleveland and took Trent Richardson and Bradon Weedon, nuff said.
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Ya Weedon, flat out embarrassing.
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Koren Robinson, Jerramy Stevens, Lamar King, Chris McIntosh, Marcus Tubbs. A bunch of bad 2nd and 3rd round picks too. He did draft Hutchinson, Alexander, and Trufant, but there was a reason he was fired as GM.SteveInShelton said:Mike Holmgren had two first round draft picks one year for Cleveland and took Trent Richardson and Bradon Weedon, nuff said.
99-04 are Holmgren's drafts. They are pretty bad. Ruskell was even worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Seahawks_draft_history
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Mike wouldn't have won that superbowl without 92 Reggie White either. Don't beleive Mike made it to Reggie's funeral. Class. Not even a Go Pack, Go!RoadDawg55 said:I hate Holmgren. He was an overrated coach who rode Favre and the worst division in the NFL to success. Green Bay in the mid 90's were like the Seahawks now. Ron Wolf the gm is going into the Hall of Fame for a reason. Any coach would have won there. Holmgren was a total dipshit when he ran the personnel side in Seattle and Cleveland.
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I don't follow the Seahawks like I do My Huskies, My Bruins, and My LSU Tigers ...RoadDawg55 said:
Koren Robinson, Jerramy Stevens, Lamar King, Chris McIntosh, Marcus Tubbs. A bunch of bad 2nd and 3rd round picks too. He did draft Hutchinson, Alexander, and Trufant, but there was a reason he was fired as GM.SteveInShelton said:Mike Holmgren had two first round draft picks one year for Cleveland and took Trent Richardson and Bradon Weedon, nuff said.
99-04 are Holmgren's drafts. They are pretty bad. Ruskell was even worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Seahawks_draft_history
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I turned to my wife and said we are lucky to have Carroll coaching here...
Seriously.