And Kim wonders why the students don't come to the games

Nothing about Upshaw is boring.

The rest is spot on though.

bananasnblondes said:

Shit reply

Awesome'd because you made me lol. But you're still FS if you think coaching is why students aren't coming to the games.

HuskyInAZ said:

dnc said:

bananasnblondes said:

Shit reply

Awesome'd because you made me lol. But you're still FS if you think coaching is why students aren't coming to the games.

It's not the coaching.....directly. It's the boring and stupid brand of basketball put forth by that coaching.

I guess I just disagree that it's a boring brand of basketball. The last two years, definitely. This year we've seen much more aggressive perimeter defense and fast breaks. It's almost assuredly because the guards know they have the eraser back there to save them if they let someone get by, but whatever the reason this team isn't half as boring to me as the first two years of the high poast.

Tequilla said:

dnc said:

HuskyInAZ said:

dnc said:

bananasnblondes said:

Shit reply

Awesome'd because you made me lol. But you're still FS if you think coaching is why students aren't coming to the games.

It's not the coaching.....directly. It's the boring and stupid brand of basketball put forth by that coaching.

I guess I just disagree that it's a boring brand of basketball. The last two years, definitely. This year we've seen much more aggressive perimeter defense and fast breaks. It's almost assuredly because the guards know they have the eraser back there to save them if they let someone get by, but whatever the reason this team isn't half as boring to me as the first two years of the high poast.

So you're saying that most college kids aren't smart enough to know what good or bad coaching is but then say that this team isn't playing a boring brand of basketball because they play aggressive perimeter defense.

I've seen us play 2x now in person - which is more than I normally watch in person during the year. I appreciate this team because of how they are able to grind it out and take advantage of what they can do well and minimize what they don't do well.

But let's be honest, this isn't an exciting team to watch at all. They really struggle to score the ball. As a defensive first team, they aren't going to be a team that lives in transition. With the exception of Upshaw, this isn't a team that is going to play above the rim. They really don't have a lot of slashers that get to the rim (most people don't really appreciate the mid-range game that NWG has).

You, me, and many of the basketball watchers on this board appreciate 30 seconds of good defense and a contested shot. But college kids aren't amused by that. They are amused by that when the rebound leads to a fast break going the other way and a dunk.

Fair poont.

7-11 makes a number of solid points ... but I do think that you tend to go just a bit too far on some of them.

I agree that NWG isn't particularly a great defender or fast, but he's not a terrible defender. We sometimes confuse creating turnovers as a sign of great defense compared to just staying in front of your guy, moving him where you want him to go, and putting a hand up to contest a shot as a sign of good defense.

AA is the definition of irrational confidence. He can shoot you in and out of games. He's maddening, but given the way this team is comprised, it's actually not a bad guy to have on this team.

The bigs don't necessarily rebound as well as you would like them to, but the guards rebound a little better than most guards so it evens out. As long as the bigs are boxing out and taking care of their guys it isn't terrible.

I disagree that the IQ of this team is below the floor. This is a team that to me actually understands what they are and aren't good at. They tend to play to their strengths.

In the games that I've watched, we're a better defensive team than you are giving credit for. Oklahoma is a really good offensive team and they really struggled to score. Their best offense was putting Upshaw in pick and pop situations and pulling him away from the basket making him move his feet.

This is a 7-10 seed in the tournament, probably wins their first game because of how they play defense, and then will be a difficult, but in the end not that tough of an out for a 1, 2, or 3 seed provided that they show up and match intensity.

Nobody came to this game because it was against Stoney Brook during Christmas Break. A hot start in conference play and the fans will come back.

There are tons of reasons for the declining attendance. A couple years of shitty basketball is the biggest. Start winning and they come. Pretty basic shit.

Digging deeper, I think not having players from Washington also hurts. NWG is from Portland, Upshaw from Fresno. There isn't one local player in the starting line up and Dorsey is the only one who gets any minutes. And let's be honest, a kid from Olympia is different than a kid from Seattle or Tacoma (besides Gaddy).

I don't buy that fans come for the style of play. UConn and other teams in the former Big East were really fucking boring to watch, but they have staunch supporters. UW isn't a basketball school, so crowds will only come if they are good.

If only romar had a contract extension

SevenEleven said:

Tequilla said:

I agree that NWG isn't particularly a great defender or fast, but he's not a terrible defender. We sometimes confuse creating turnovers as a sign of great defense compared to just staying in front of your guy, moving him where you want him to go, and putting a hand up to contest a shot as a sign of good defense.

I disagree that the IQ of this team is below the floor. This is a team that to me actually understands what they are and aren't good at. They tend to play to their strengths.

Lol - staying in front of your guy he isn't good at, because he couldn't beat Stephen Hawking in a foot race. Just trying to stay in front and put a hand up is good defense...for a middle school girl. At this level it takes athleticism to be a good defender. If you want to argue that he plays defense as well as he's capable of, I'm fine with that assessment, but he's a terrible defender for the sport he plays on the floor. He could probably stay with dome 3's, but he's way to slow footed to defend college 1's and 2's.

As for the IQ, that's just nuts. The offense consists of NWG and AA jacking up the majority of the shots. After Winters and DJ, who never really play, they shoot the worst percentage on the team.

Well, we won't have to worry about NWG next year, as he's a sure-fire draft pick. At least that's what my sources have been telling me. Real cerebral, crafty, shifty, etc. Tough to find slow, unathletic PGs with that type of BB IQ for the NBA these days.

And AA graduates this year. It ever there were an example of "addition by subtraction," this is it.

NWG and the NBA is a debate, but pretending he isn't a good college guard is FS. I would bet any amount he makes the All Conference team.

RoadDawg55 said:

NWG and the NBA is a debate, but pretending he isn't a good college guard is FS. I would bet any amount he makes the All Conference team.

NWG will have to play the role of charlie ward in the nba and that is being generous as ward was a very good athlete. He is a very very good college guard, but the thought he'll be an instant success or easy pick in the nba is FS. Every draft board doesn't even have him going in the top 2 rounds, let alone making a team.

Keep in mind NWG is shooting under 30% from 3 this year. People are trying to argue that he'll be a first round pick while not shooting well, slower footwork and lack of lateral quickness? It's going to be an uphill battle.

HuskyInAZ said:

SevenEleven said:

Tequilla said:

I agree that NWG isn't particularly a great defender or fast, but he's not a terrible defender. We sometimes confuse creating turnovers as a sign of great defense compared to just staying in front of your guy, moving him where you want him to go, and putting a hand up to contest a shot as a sign of good defense.

I disagree that the IQ of this team is below the floor. This is a team that to me actually understands what they are and aren't good at. They tend to play to their strengths.

Lol - staying in front of your guy he isn't good at, because he couldn't beat Stephen Hawking in a foot race. Just trying to stay in front and put a hand up is good defense...for a middle school girl. At this level it takes athleticism to be a good defender. If you want to argue that he plays defense as well as he's capable of, I'm fine with that assessment, but he's a terrible defender for the sport he plays on the floor. He could probably stay with dome 3's, but he's way to slow footed to defend college 1's and 2's.

As for the IQ, that's just nuts. The offense consists of NWG and AA jacking up the majority of the shots. After Winters and DJ, who never really play, they shoot the worst percentage on the team.

Well, we won't have to worry about NWG next year, as he's a sure-fire draft pick. At least that's what my sources have been telling me. Real cerebral, crafty, shifty, etc. Tough to find slow, unathletic PGs with that type of BB IQ for the NBA these days.

And AA graduates this year. It ever there were an example of "addition by subtraction," this is it.

I've been an Andrews hater since long before it was cool (axe @freechavez), but he's a junior this year. No addition by subtraction there, unless you're suggesting he gets suddenly seniored, which wouldn't bother me in the slightest.





Edit: Fuck, @seveneleven beat me to the joke.

FreeChavez said:

dnc said:

HuskyInAZ said:

SevenEleven said:

Tequilla said:

I agree that NWG isn't particularly a great defender or fast, but he's not a terrible defender. We sometimes confuse creating turnovers as a sign of great defense compared to just staying in front of your guy, moving him where you want him to go, and putting a hand up to contest a shot as a sign of good defense.

I disagree that the IQ of this team is below the floor. This is a team that to me actually understands what they are and aren't good at. They tend to play to their strengths.

Lol - staying in front of your guy he isn't good at, because he couldn't beat Stephen Hawking in a foot race. Just trying to stay in front and put a hand up is good defense...for a middle school girl. At this level it takes athleticism to be a good defender. If you want to argue that he plays defense as well as he's capable of, I'm fine with that assessment, but he's a terrible defender for the sport he plays on the floor. He could probably stay with dome 3's, but he's way to slow footed to defend college 1's and 2's.

As for the IQ, that's just nuts. The offense consists of NWG and AA jacking up the majority of the shots. After Winters and DJ, who never really play, they shoot the worst percentage on the team.

Well, we won't have to worry about NWG next year, as he's a sure-fire draft pick. At least that's what my sources have been telling me. Real cerebral, crafty, shifty, etc. Tough to find slow, unathletic PGs with that type of BB IQ for the NBA these days.

And AA graduates this year. It ever there were an example of "addition by subtraction," this is it.

I've been an Andrews hater since long before it was cool (axe @freechavez), but he's a junior this year. No addition by subtraction there, unless you're suggesting he gets suddenly seniored, which wouldn't bother me in the slightest.





Edit: Fuck, @seveneleven beat me to the joke.

Wait, a shooting/PG with a 41%/30% ratio in his career is hard to fill in? Maybe the 1.2/1 assist/TO ratio is the killer?

Dear lord AA is maddening how good he appears he could be, vs what his stat line actually shows.

I don't think he could be much better than he's shown. Andrews isn't really good at anything. He can't pass, he's an average shooter, and he makes poor decisions. He will have some good games and moments, but I don't think he's all that talented.