HH Podcast - Miles vs. Williams
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For the record, I am 81% sure Miles isn't the guy.
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For the 1,000th time. We need better QB play. We also need to run the ball better. Actually, the whole offense needs to be better. There isn't one thing the offense does well. We can debate who the best QB is once Williams gets some playing time.
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Only a fucking doogy piece of Doog shit thought we were going to beat Oregon this year.RoadDawg55 said:We've talked about Miles and QB enough. There isn't much left to analyze. He hasn't played well enough. Everyone agrees on that. I don't really care who plays QB. I do disagree that we know Miles isn't the guy. It's still to be determined. I would have no problem seeing what we have in Williams. Maybe we don't have a good QB on the roster? You are the biggest Petersen fluffer here. You called the Hawaii game a very well coached game. Do you think he doesn't know what he is doing with the QB's?
The running game sucks because the running game sucks. It's not because of Miles. Obviously a great passing attack can open up the running game, but plenty of teams are successful being run heavy without getting great QB play. Wisconsin runs great without a QB. Arizona ran it great last year with Denker at QB. LSU ran it great without good QB's too. Before this year, Stanford is another example. Auburn. There are a lot of suspect passing teams that still get it done on the ground. A strong OL and good RB's can run it on anyone. We have neither.
Teams aren't stacking the box to stop the run. Some of you said that against Stanford, but you were talking out of your ass. I went back and watched the game to see if I wasn't seeing something. Oregon and Stanford mostly played two deep safeties forcing us to run the ball and dink and dunk. We can't do either well enough to sustain drives.
Different point, but I think a lot of QB's would struggle. Mickens is our #1 WR. Last year we had a healthy Kasen, ASJ, Kevin Smith, String, and Mickens. Mickens was one of the guys, a supporting player on offense. This year, it's Mickens with some big plays sprinkled in by Ross. There is no Bishop Sankey or Chris Polk at RB. Price played terrible against Oregon three straight seasons with a far superior supporting cast at the skill positions. Price was a better QB, but do people honestly think he would be tearing it up with this supporting cast around him?
Miles needs to be better, but he's been nowhere near as bad as some of you make it out to be. The whole offense sucks, and he's the guy that gets the blame, but it's fucking ridiculous. Why is there this much focus on Miles after this last game? We wouldn't have beat Oregon with Jameis Winston.
You keep saying this, but it doesn't help your point. Oregon is better than us for systemic reasons and if you think that makes a good point that's not totally fucking obvious you're incorrect. -
It's easy to say "let it play out."
No question the offense as a whole needs to be better all the way around.
The RBs are definitely not Polk or Sankey. I think that there's a good chance that someone in the 2015 class will have a good chance to come in and play a lot immediately.
Mickens should never be your #1 WR. There's no question about that. Kasen's clearly hurt and who knows what the discussion was concerning RS'ing. It clearly should have happened. But at the same time, let's also be completely fair and say that there are times that the WRs have gotten open and haven't been able to get the ball. No doubt that they've dropped a few as well. It's far from perfect. And absolutely agree that we need more from the TE position - but isn't it also fair to say that most TE routes are ones that Miles isn't confident throwing?
But of the above, what can you change that will give you the best shot for improving?
Albert Einstein has shit dialed in for this time of situation: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -
LIPO because Petersen has a plan that is beyond dude brahs flapping his yapper. This year isn't going to be great. It never was going to be. Some of you doogs bought into the "sark left the cupboard full" bullshit, but even a cursory look told us that wasn't true. Even 7 would not have had "his guys" winning any more games. If there was any doubt going in, the games from August through September told the story. It's there for all to see.Tequilla said:It's easy to say "let it play out."
No question the offense as a whole needs to be better all the way around.
The RBs are definitely not Polk or Sankey. I think that there's a good chance that someone in the 2015 class will have a good chance to come in and play a lot immediately.
Mickens should never be your #1 WR. There's no question about that. Kasen's clearly hurt and who knows what the discussion was concerning RS'ing. It clearly should have happened. But at the same time, let's also be completely fair and say that there are times that the WRs have gotten open and haven't been able to get the ball. No doubt that they've dropped a few as well. It's far from perfect. And absolutely agree that we need more from the TE position - but isn't it also fair to say that most TE routes are ones that Miles isn't confident throwing?
But of the above, what can you change that will give you the best shot for improving?
Albert Einstein has shit dialed in for this time of situation: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
You can analyze this year until your anus falls off, but what gives the best shot for improving is Petersen going to work and getting some hard working tuff mother fuckers playing smart and physical. It will come. With Petersen there is a great chance to be a top 10 program very soon. With Sark, that chance never existed.
LIFPO. -
potdMikeDamone said:
LIPO because Petersen has a plan that is beyond dude brahs flapping his yapper. This year isn't going to be great. It never was going to be. Some of you doogs bought into the "sark left the cupboard full" bullshit, but even a cursory look told us that wasn't true. Even 7 would not have had "his guys" winning any more games. If there was any doubt going in, the games from August through September told the story. It's there for all to see.Tequilla said:It's easy to say "let it play out."
No question the offense as a whole needs to be better all the way around.
The RBs are definitely not Polk or Sankey. I think that there's a good chance that someone in the 2015 class will have a good chance to come in and play a lot immediately.
Mickens should never be your #1 WR. There's no question about that. Kasen's clearly hurt and who knows what the discussion was concerning RS'ing. It clearly should have happened. But at the same time, let's also be completely fair and say that there are times that the WRs have gotten open and haven't been able to get the ball. No doubt that they've dropped a few as well. It's far from perfect. And absolutely agree that we need more from the TE position - but isn't it also fair to say that most TE routes are ones that Miles isn't confident throwing?
But of the above, what can you change that will give you the best shot for improving?
Albert Einstein has shit dialed in for this time of situation: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
You can analysis this year until your anus falls off, but what gives the best shot for improving is Petersen going to work and getting some hard working tuff mother fuckers playing smart and physical. It will come. With Petersen there is a great chance to be a top 10 program very soon. With Sark, that chance never existed.
LIFPO. -
The two biggest misses that I've had with respect to this year's team was thinking that Petersen could turn around what he inherited faster (underestimated the amount of Sark stank in the program) and thinking that we'd get more out of Miles.
The first Damone's absolutely right that the signs were there. It's the inner doog in me that takes the optimistic picture that thought that Pete could take a 5-4 conference team to a 7-2 team. That could still happen ... but is unlikely because of reason #2.
For as great of a QB guru that Seven has been proclaimed, his list of busts is massive. I expected to see improvement from Miles year to year. Instead, I think he just is what he is. And if anything, I think he's gone backwards as he has realized his limitations. -
Yes and more so, Miles has gone backwards because opposing defenses have realized his limitations.
He's a pretty easy QB to defend because he doesn't have the arm to beat you in the mid, long, or deep passing game. His accuracy beyond 10 yards isn't good (see the backbreaking pass against Oregon that was intercepted....the receiver was open and had some YAC in front of him so it was probably a 10 point swing before the half). Maybe OC Smith isn't calling enough plays with the TE as the primary read (like the TD pass to Perkins @ Cal) but I'm thinking Miles doesn't see the field all that well and locks onto Mickens too much.
When he feels pressure, he tends to run into it rather than showing escapability. If he was a good runner, he'd hurt teams in the read option and running when teams drop 7 or 8 when no one is open yet he has just 10 yards on 28 carries this year. At least when Oregon was going into Cover 2 and Cover 3 against Williams, Williams recognized it quickly and ended up running for 28 yards and a TD on 5 carries.
If Miles is cleared to play and Petersen starts him to give him one last shot, at best I see him being marginally successful and Petersen turning to Williams for the second half.
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I can see this happening very easily.
I think most are tired of Miles and know he isn't the answer. He'll get a little more leash to once and for all he isn't the guy. The conditions will suck and that will help keep the game close into the half. The move to Williams will be a bolt of energy to the stadium and the team. My guess is that if we win the game it will be because of the changing energy of Williams in one form or another. -
The podcast doogs have been pressing on this for the last few weeks. Miles isn't the answer, and no manner of splitting hairs is going to change that.
