Anybody notice the growing trend of coaches getting axed in October?
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money, and pressure
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Norvell should be officially gone before the day is over
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I'm blown away they lost to THAT Stanford team.
They must have quit on the season at this point.FSU should be better at basically every position.
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Alabama looks like a team that didn’t wanna be there that day. Also looks like a team that never has to play a power four out of conference game that isn’t held at a neutral field.
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we’re just a couple years from firing coaches if they lose opening weekend. Hell, I’m old enough to remember the talking heads shrugging off Deboner’s $70 mil buyout
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Norvelle was Bama's 1st choice according to some talking heads b4 Kalen took it. Since then he's 5-14 iirc but 1 of those wins was vs. Alabama this year.
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when we get to that point, we will know that we belong with the big boys
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Yes, and I guess i failed to see this was a thread before shitposting another one on same subject.
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This is the NFL jr now. You don’t get a decade to establish relationships and build a practice regimen. The right guy will figure it out immediately. There are probably 6, generously speaking, programs who don’t need the right guy and maybe 10 coaches on earth who are actually good at this. Once you’ve identified you aren’t one of those 6 programs and don’t have one of those 10 guys you move on.
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Jay Norvell out at Colorado State after a 2-5 start.
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Humans aren't static video game characters without development. Timing does matter as you look at guys like Harbaugh who took a bumpy path to win one, Dabo who won with the best then fell off, Ed Orgeron who held the wheel steady with his eyes closed then got fired.
You're trying to simplify and put in a neat box one of the most complex organic jobs in existence. There's many different paths to being a successful coach and there's no such thing as a finished product for what the game is and what it demands.
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One game that pops into my head is the 1979 USC-Stanford game. USC was ranked #1 and tied Stanford 21-21 in the LA Coliseum. Stanford lost to Oregon State who went 1-10. USC finished the season 11-0-1.
These things happen from tim-to-tim.
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Tells me that those schools probably should have fired their coaches at the end of last season.
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Then I suppose once you determine you're not one of the 6 (WA isn't even in the top 20), then does it make sense to "move on" and establish an almost permanent state of instability? WA has everything except billionaire financial backing and the proper political mindset (trantifa loving faggots hate football) to be a perennial power.
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Yes. There’s no such thing as stability with unlimited free agency and no salary cap. I think I just realized I hate this sport.
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Yeah, hardly anyone got fired last offseason. This year’s cycle is going to be a complete shitshow.
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Not top 20? Scary what losing a road game to Michigan does to a guy
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I kind of got a kick out of seeing FSU at Stanford and thought how ridiculous that would have been like 5 years ago.
I’m too lazy to look but does anyone know if that was FSU’s first trip ever to the West Coast? If I had to bet I’d say it was.
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Too long.
Too intellectual.
Too apologetic.
Too many big words. This is a sports forum, buddy. Words like "complex" and "organic" have no place.
Btw, every program needs the right guy. Alabama is not automatically good. Nobody is.
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Some need the right guy more than others. Ryan Day is not elite in my book, but decent to good can still snag a Natty at Buckeye.
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Also, at least short term, some programs have a higher floor than most.
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Look for a lot of "we had a lot of discussions with coaches across the country and in the end found that we had our guy right here at home. I'm proud to announce your next head coach of Mediocre U is [insert hapless coordinator]"
crowd goes mild
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"The right guy" is not a constant though. There's "he just needs more tim" but there is also firing Harbaugh before he wins his natty on the other side of it. Was he the right guy after the covid year when he took a pay cut?
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For a short time when the program is humming on its own momentum. Eventually, everyone needs the right guy. I remember a decade plus when nobody cared about Alabama.
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I would say Harbaugh is the exception to the overwhelming rule. Typically, if a guy is struggling in year 4 and 5 there's nothing more coming, especially these days during which one doesn't build a program slowly, deliberately and the "right way" over a time.
Most everyone on the planet, probably including Harbaugh himself, were in utter shock at how underwhelming Harbaugh was well into his tenure at Michigan. He made Stanford a program in a fraction of the time, which is was all the more impressive because they are one of two or three P5 programs who have a real academic hurdle for recruits to clear.
I mean, it's fine if people want to keep beating the Harbaugh drum. I myself wouldn't use it as a reason to keep a guy who isn't getting it done. Year 2? Eh, ok. Year 3? Yeah, you gotta start thinking.
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Stallings to me @creepycoug was an example of the good, not great HC, who was good enough based on the program's intangibles.
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Well, after the 92 natty they wound up on probation with the Antonio Langham affair. They averaged over 10 wins a season during his tenure of what, 6 or 7 years? Then you go DuBose, Franchione, Mike Price (lolz) and Mike Shula and they were nowhere for over a decade.
Maybe Stallings was better than we remember. Because the guys that followed couldn't take those intangibles and do even B+ work with it. At least as I recall.
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Day and Lanning were exactly who I was thinking of. Neither one of them would do much at a poverty school like UW. They’re both better than Fisch though.
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Did the Harbaugh "finally getting it going at Michigan" start when the recording other teams and sign stealing?
I can't remember the timeline there.
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Objectively, how can you say (post NIL and Portal) WA is a perennial top 20 program? All time? Absolutely. Last 30 years? Absolutely. What have you done for me lately (outside losing a top 5 coach)? Nothing close to top 20. Sorry, I know that's harsh but, as a fan since '84, we're? shit.
