Petersen's comments...presented without comment

RoadDawg55 said:

I only have one question/concern with Petersen. His offense went to shit without Kellen Moore his last two years at Boise. After Moore graduated, Petersen changed his system and went hurry up/no huddle like everyone else. The Boise State fans complained about Prince (the OC) the past two years. UW fans were glad Petersen didn't bring him along to UW. Then he brings along his QB coach of those bad offenses to be the OC at UW. It's too early to make any bold conclusions, but I suspect that something isn't right. And I think it goes beyond the talent. Finding a Kellen Moore isn't easy.

If Petersen is who we think he is, it will get fixed. Great coaches make those changes, Don James in the late 80's being a great example. Or maybe, the players improve with time in the same system. I think it's logical to have some concern about it though. 3 years in a row of mediocre to bad offense is a fair sample size.

Agree totally on the Boise direction. It was a combo of too much of the same thing after years, being spoiled by Moore and winning, and the inept offense which included a shitty QB. I want to say UW's offense would be light years different with a competent QB who can make decisions and sling the ball, but that argument could be stated both ways without much confidence on a winner.

CP wasn't recruiting big time QB's at Boise b/c it's hard to find very good qb's to play at that level. Kellen fell in their lap thanks to WSU(which is mind boggling) and UW not being interested. At least UW had a decent QB.

I'd say boise and UW have been plagued by the same thing the last 3 years. Poor QB play which makes everything else magnified. It isn't all Miles fault, not even close. But he makes the offense churn to some point and that's where the heap of the blame goes. "IF" Troy, KS or Browning can develop into something I would imagine people would sing a different tune. But until we have a QB who threatens a defense and makes them scared to blitz, we're not going to have any offense look good.

Canard said:

Are you saying Price sucked? He had his limits, but he's no Southwick or Miles.

The last 2 years CP was at boise, and the one this year at UW. No, I'm not saying Teeth was a bad qb.

brchco12 said:

PDXDuckFan said:

Passion said:

If you don't think UW has inherent & exceptional recruiting advantages, then you're dumber than most of the trash that fills autzen stadium every week.

First of all, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. People love Seattle. It's reached a point where people hear the word "Seattle," and they immediately think "great place to live." End of story.

The UW has an elite academic reputation and the rankings to prove it, unlike the three glorified community colleges that make up the rest of the northwest's pac-12 schools.

UW is a stone throw from some of the hottest tech companies in the world, so there is opportunity here outside of football. Not so in pullman, pewgene or corvalis.

Fan support - Awesome & well-known.

Are we getting all the OKGs we want right now? No, but we have advantages that are simply unmatched by most other schools.

Doogs gonna doog.

Yep, kids from Texas, FL, Alabama, and CA grow up their entire lives hoping for the chance to play college football in Seattle. All it is going to take is a coaching staff that literally has never consistently recruited 4-5* athletes, and has no idea how to do so.

Seattle's a draw for unemployed liberal arts majors who think that $15/hr pouring coffee is beneath them, until they're still in that job a year later with massive student debt that they can't pay back to Uncle Sucker. For an 18 year-old elite athlete? It's much easier to just stick with the UCLAs/USCs/OUs/Bamas of the world. It took Oregon years of winning and hundreds of millions dollars in facility upgrades to start attracting those type of players to the point of getting in the door, and the Ducks rarely get the truly elite difference-makers.

Losing Sark/Tosh/Wilcox, and their recruiting connections, is going to hurt UW much more than any coaching upgrade CoachPeeth gives the Dawgs over having Sark.

yup, Pete will never learn to recruit like a twink from New Hampshire did

Come on now, forking cash for players is in the institutional memory of UW.

PDXDuckFan said:

brchco12 said:

yup, Pete will never learn to recruit like a twink from New Hampshire did

He's never had to before. Do you think he's magically going to start landing multiple 4-5* players? Take a look at UW's verbals this year compared to the Sark/Tosh years.

You can bash Chip Kelly all you want, and yes, Peterman did beat Chip on the field, but you'll be creaming your pants if Peterman has even half the success Kelly had at UO. Hell, I think you'll be creaming if you can even reach Slingblade levels of success.

Kelly also didn't have an entire new coaching staff. The long-time Oregon assistants have spent years getting recruiting pipelines in CA and TX. Going from Bellotti to Kelly didn't make much difference, since the staff was the same.

Fuck ...

You are one stupid mother fucker.

Chip Kelly was a bumpkin from New Hampshire who drove a broke down Volvo when he showed up in Eugene. Nobody but Bellotti knew who he was.

Any team would love to have Chip as their coach, he is a great coach.

Slingblade ... let's reserve judgement on him in 2 more years when he isn't surfing in Chip's wake.

All of Peterman's staff has been working the west coast ... you dumb fuck.

Jesus ...

And from an earlier post ...

Kids in Texas don't dream of moving to Eugene ...

Oregon has done well ... great program ... I wish dipshits like you knew how to use a fork.

PDXDuckFan said:

brchco12 said:

5 4* so far this year, including a QB who fits his system and chose us over alabama.

Five 4* players according to which site? Every site I've seen has the Dawgs with two 4* players.

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=Pac-12

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classrankings?action=login

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/PAC12/all

Is Cody Bruns being counted as a 4* again?

Fuck me for poasting this link

AZDuck said:

I support Canard's efforts in this thread.

He's staking out the Peterman-is-Hawkins turf pretty early on. It *has* always been the knock on Boise that they did not have to deal with the week-in, week-out grind of a major conference schedule.

Interestingly, if you subtract Kellen Moore's time at Boise (50-3!) - then Peterman's record with the Broncoz was a very respectable 42-9 (.786).

While .786 is quite good, you can also easily discern that it is at least one standard deviation below what BSU achieved with Moore, and deduce that there was a QB effect at work.

Combine that with the overall trendline (Peterman's last year at Boise with Southwick, they were not very good), and I think a reality-based anti-Peterman argument exists.



Nota bene: 2007 was the year Peterman lost to Ty; 2008 was Kellen Moore's first year under center.

petersen has plenty to prove. However you cannot just credit 2008-2011 to just kellen moore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_draft
in 2012, BSU put 6 players into the NFL, 2 1st rounders. Those teams were a lot more than just KM.

PDXDuckFan said:

topdawgnc said:

And from an earlier post ...

Kids in Texas don't dream of moving to Eugene ...

I never claimed they did, and I said that even though UO tries recruiting the big-time players, more often than not they lose out to a UCLA, USC, or a Notre Dame. I was responding to the Doog who was claiming that Seattle is some big draw for players. LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. It's not. It may as well be Eugene, except that in Eugene players throw snowballs, while at UW the starting QB beats up Seahawk fans for fun.

12s should be beaten. They are part of why UW is third fiddle to the local faggotball team.

What? Not all of us roll like that. You'd have to be a pretty cowardly Ducks fan to not have predicted 11 back in August.

Shit, I am predicting 14 in a row at least because Freeman has two more to go, keep it light on the new QB and then if he jumps to the NFL, we have a junior QB running the offense that next season in Seattle.

This argument by Canard is really dumb. Arguing against him is stupid too. Petersen had a great run at Boise State. You can't downplay 92-12. That's a great record at any level of college football, even more impressive at the FBS level. Petersen was a great hire by UW, and we will see how it works out. Canard is failing to realize that everyone knows 92-12 at Boise State does not guarantee great success at UW.