Do you think this just happens by accident?
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If Kansas can be a perennial basketball powerhouse and Nebraska can be a football power for 50 years, there is no reason whatsoever that UW/Seattle can't do the same in football or basketball. It takes finding the right leader, which isn't easy, and organizational commitment. Your above post is an example of voluntarily lowered expectations of the possible.
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By the KU/Nub measure there's little reason most teams can't, therefore most teams can't.
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Ohio state cared when UW didn’t. I think Columbus only having a shitty hockey team helps. I’d also like to wonder how many Free Palestine and George Floyd rallies happen there or even are allowed but I’ll take it to the tug.
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I think Organizational commitment is the number one factor. The only thing I consistently agree with Kimmy about is how much the Ty hire and continued retainment of him turned off a lot of boosters and big fans. I currently coach with a guy who’s grandfather and father gave up after 2008 and had season tickets for 30 years
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Lmao
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Clearly Don James wasn’t the right leader then, because he never had the year after year sustained success of 1-2 loss seasons referenced in the OP. The hypotheticals you guys are dealing in represent something that we’ve never had at UW, even in the best of times. What are the odds that the requisite combination of university leadership, money, and the best coach in the land are going to come together for a 20 year run of 1-2 loss seasons- i.e., to become “Ohio State”? Nevermind, that to become Ohio State you have to displace them as the top program in your conference.
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Your above post is an example of voluntarily lowered expectations of the possible. - Joseph Stalin
That fits on a glass
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Your above post is an example of voluntarily lowered expectations of the possible.
Its a new game and a new day. And when James did build a machine UW tore it down. Same with Rick. Petersen and DeBoer got the fuck out of town
By all means give them the cover they want, write the check and shut up. The motto
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Don James was poised to go to four, five or six Rose Bowls in a row, assuming that his health held up to continue coaching.
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Sometimes I wonder why I fell in love with a program that wasn’t Ohio State.
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And Gil before that.
Upper campus has always been envious the the football program can just play itself to the top of the pile.
It takes it's academus little brother syndrome out on the sports programs.
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I think saying DJ @DerekJohnson was "poised" to go to 4 to 6 Rose Bowls in a row is assuming a lot. There's no doubt in my mind he wins more Rose Bowls and potentially another NT if he stayed 10 more years.
But at the same time conference opponents and the sport as a whole start to adapt and find ways to beat you. It's hard to go to 4 to 6 straight Rose Bowls. There was already a drop off with the 1992 team which still lost to Arizona, Coug and gave up 38 to Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Yeah they had some distractions, but they also had a back up QB who was a future 4 x NFL pro bowler.
What happens is Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State, USC and UW are all trying to be "Ohio State"?
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Let's find out
What's with the love of losing?
I don't want to go to the moon because it's easy but because
It's Hard
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I'm down here breading 6'9" kids and spending money on youth sports ball like a drunken sailor and you guys are talking to me about "voluntary low expectations"?
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Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.
James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch
Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence. -
What does that have to do with Husky football
Youre being a Negative Nancy
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Are they going to play football for UW?
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It's a joke, pal. Malarkey if you will about having "low expectations" in life.
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The 1st grader is looking like the Lawyer Milloy of kiddy flag football!!
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A conversation where everyone agrees is not much of a conversation
The board is more active than it has been in weeks. Nothing like a loss
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There's something missing culturally in Seattle which is causes the inconsistency which isn't the case in Columbus. What is the cause of that and how do you change the culture?
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It was a different time. Massive sustained success was less of a thing and it was more cyclical. Young players were less ready to go - their lives probably weren't 24/7 football from the age of 5 and didn't leave high school early to go to college.
The NCAA seemed to also like to go after programs that were pushing boundaries and having too much success. Didn't they kind of force out Tressell over some comped tattoos? It makes sense because there's a lot of Michigan folks in sports media but it seemed like ESPN had a vendetta against Ohio State when they came back in the 2000s.
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In the 90s you'd win a national championship and go on probation and be THANKFUL for it
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When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks
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St. DeBoer really needed to win that game against Michigan. Fucking tragedy.
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I will die on a hill against repeated @RaceBannon human wave attacks that keeping DeBoer from going to Bammer was a bridge too far.
But to your point, I think there evidence that UW cares enough about football to try and be a consistent top 10- 15 program. We built the new stadium, hired Pete from BSU, fired a POC head coach for losing to Montana, and killed the Pac 12.
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It's a matter of not wanting to be UC Berkeley in every fucking respect. I know there are academics at UW who would be proud of what a middling football program would signal regarding priorities.
But I have to think that the people who write checks, who are not usually academics, are the people who want competitive football.
There's a third crowd … the tech crowd. They write BIG checks but they write them for engineering buildings. If they were to ever write a check for sports, it would be to construct a Quiddich field and practice facility. Or, more seriously, for some Olympic sports facility. To my knowledge, tech isn't in love with college football.
I remember Ballmer was flirting around the program for 5 minutes. Don't know whatever became of that but he's a pro sports guy. People at that level typically only fund what they can control. He also didn't go to school at UW so there's that limitation to his interest.
Gates. Pffft. That guy is too busy burnishing his image in a rescue attempt of the damage his rep took after the Epstein-caused divorce. His fucking ex-wife literally sold him out on that in a public interview. And he has never cared about sports. He aint' comin any time soon.
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I mean that's part of the heart of it. Upper campus would never let anyone else take control of sports but will also seldom give it anything but begrudging support.
I feel like there was a brief window where had we won a title some of that may have shifted. It's possible to be good at academucs and sports ball in this era.
Upper campus could learn that there's no such thing as bad publicity re winning titles.
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One thing I know
Oregon wins a national championship[ and Montlake gets stormed by the heathen crowds
It's like using a nuke though. Not sure it is worth the terrible cost of Oregon winning a natty
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Four out of the last five coaches UW hired were simply the best options who would take the job. Unfortunately the one time we made the one mistake and took the easy hire was when we were best positioned for long-term success and probably in a position to find someone who was both good and interested in being in Seattle long-term since we knew for maybe two whole years Petersen was burning out.
