Do you think this just happens by accident?
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I agree that there is no reason why we can’t be a powerhouse, but the good programs play musical chairs with their coordinators every year. Grubb talking to Alabama before staying isn’t a big deal. It happens.
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Usually yes, but when you were gone it was talked about here how grubb was brought in just to talk to Deboer.
At surface level it was, yeah, they were trying to steal our OC. But with DeBoer switching agents it looks like Alabama decided that they just wanted our football program outside of the defense.
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Not following. It would help greatly if you would include the names of the programs to which you are comparing Washington. And then what you mean by: "UW doesn't need to build themselves up from the AAC."
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I agree with you. The byes before Washington and Oregon road games almost looks purposeful, like the Big 10 is saying "fuck you guys; you're guests."
When in reality they are T5 in the conference.
They're in now and I believe the process to boot them out would be difficult. So, both programs should continue swinging their dicks. There is really one big dog in the B10 and it's who we've been discussing.
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1 Ohio St will burn to the ground if they’re not that level. Their fans will riot. They are more afraid of not being that level than they enjoy being that level. The only rioters we have are on this board. Most UW fans just turn their attention elsewhere. Go Marinooogs!
2 The talent within a day’s drive of Columbus is way more than within a day’s drive of Seattle. It also doesn’t hurt there is not another major football school in the state of Ohio. At least going forward we don’t have this problem.
The counter point to all this is Oregon , which goes back to want to. -
I bring up history because it acts as agent of inertia, both for those who have it and those who don't.
You know how much I have bristled at the history piece over the years. I get what you are saying. Husky fans use it on Oregon all the time. It's dumb but people use it selectively.
No, there is no reason Washington can't be Buck today. But they have some things to overcome. Yes, one of them is to find the will to do it and quit obsessing over all the allegedly illegitimate reasons other programs are more successful. I guess everyone does that, but still.
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Both those Oregon teams were simply not as good as those Buck teams.
But they've taken the first step by beating them at home and on the road in the regular season.
Gotta start somewhere.
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It has never been easier to build a killer program. NIL and the portal make it possible
Those who understand the new reality profit from it the most
UW was getting there. Then they punted
Sad
It's still right there. Fisch was there at closing time. Doesn't mean you marry him
Let's see what he does the rest of the way this year
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We need more agent of inertia as @creepycoug would say. Sure, we can get lucky on a good coach here and there, but we're missing the agent of inertia piece.
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If that means the program doesn't crater if a coach leaves then yes
Tressell Urban and Day. Again not an accident
We'll see if our boy makes that happen at Bama
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Oregon wants to more than anyone. Still getting their shit pushed in by Ohio State when it matters.
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As opposed to when it doesn't matter lol
I would taken a meaningless one last Saturday
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We've never had 2 good coaches in a row. It's sad.
J.O. has to be looked as two eras.
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We beat @creepycoug and buck in the same season that we lost to Oregon.
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It's a new era
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The one thing that's great about modern CFB is that Washington can be anything it wants to be if it's willing to spend the money. We aren't located in BFE or a MAC program.
Just need to be willing to find and spend huge money. 18 year olds don't care about tradition in the face of having big money in their pockets. See Ducks, Oregon. Pile of shit school in a pile of shit location.
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@creepycoug regarding the AAC comment
Lots of scrappy programs would love to be perennial contenders. The difference is UW is already a regional power with hardware historically and recently
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Thank you
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UW, at their most ambitious wants to be Michigan, realistically they’d love to be Wisconsin. It doesn’t matter what we want. We are still very much the lunatic fringe.
Someone said Ohio St is more afraid of not being Ohio St, same can be said for Alabama. Is there another program like that? Oregon wants it as bad as anyone and will stop at no lengths to get there, but that is crazy completely based on the demands of one man. Oregon isn’t afraid of Kyle the accountant from Gresham like Bama is afraid of their fan base.
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I don't think their level of disgust when not competing for titles is at the level of tOSU, Bama, Georgia or LSU.
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Michigan is the only school academically and culturally that I think is comparable to UW as a school that has had major success and I don't think it's a coincidence that they've been maybe even more mediocre than UW the past 25 years outside of the three big Harbaugh years. Also, like UW, they probably got saved by a great coach deciding to help them push past mediocrity. Starting the last 15-20 years the more college town schools have taken off while the more urban schools with academic aspirations have struggled. No way that's a coincidence.
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Generally speaking, states with shitty or no professional sports teams have way more enthusiastic college fan bases.
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Off the top of my head Seattle and LA are the only cities with Super Bowl wins and post WW2 college football natties.
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oh and Miamuh
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oh and Pitt
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This line of reasoning went south fast. The city and good professional team/s making big time college football fade away is a thing and the level of engagement UW is able to get in west coast city like Seattle still, even after the three bottoming outs is pretty impressive. USC had some buzz when I moved there in 2008 but it was absolute crickets by the time I left.
College football used to also be way more cyclical but something also seems to have started to happen with college football around 2010 where it's getting harder for national title winning level programs to fall off and harder for ones to break through.
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They were 168-91 from 2000 to 2020, allowing for your cherry picking of the last 3 Harbaugh years, good for 22nd in the nation in that span. UW was 137-120, "good" for 56th. If you want to normalize for their tradition/advantages, okay, I guess.
