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Ayatollah says Iran triumphed in the U.S.-Israeli war and dealt a “severe blow”

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club

    If this pans out then letting Bibi cook in Gaza was the key

    And the Saudis respect for Trump

  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,595 Swaye's Wigwam

    Now I know where CNN gets their material.

  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    Now the other Arab states will use the Palestinians as slave labor lol

    But everyone is happy so there we go

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,044 Founders Club

    Nobody gives a shit that China is actually committing genocide against the uyghurs and using them as slaves or organ farms.

    Kinda tells you everything you need to know about the "concern" for Palestinians.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,541 Standard Supporter
    edited June 27

    What about democracy in Tibet? You think leftards are interested in:

    Educating our kids versus a hundred billion$ grift to funnel money to dems and indoctrinate our kids?

    Reducing CO2 emissions while giving the chicoms a pass and funneling hundreds of billions to the chicoms for metals and minerals?

    Ending homelessness and crime while funding sloth and refusing to punish crime

    Caring about the American middle class private sector or having open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet

    Etc. People are to be used for an agenda rather that finding solutions that actually promote the US and their citizens.

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025

    Palis will be the Kurds of 2024/2025

    Tossed on the dust pile of oppressed people passed down from generation to generation.

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016
    edited June 27

    Nothing is really going to change with the Islamic Republic until they are folded inside out. The right wing (don't twist) theocracy there is not going away any time soon. Yeah, their nuke program has been set back (my condolences to buck and the other anti-American trash on this board), but they'll come back and be a problem in no time. Still funding terror, still pursuing nukes, still hating the US and trying to thwart its interests at every turn.

    There is a liberal contingent in Iran. Not like our resident retard liberals, e.g. bucktard and the girls, but tuff classical liberals; people who can read and know the earth isn't flat. This is a pretty good piece, albeit from 2021: https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/expressions/what-does-iran-really-want

    A couple of relevant excerpts:

    While the Vienna negotiations have been led by Iran’s liberals over the last eight years or so, the so-called "Endurance Front" was working to extend the Islamic Republic’s influence outside its borders, taking advantage of the increased fragility of Arab regimes grappling with domestic unrest. Whether Iran is out to implement a Grand Shia design, or crafting a defensive sectarian shield for itself amounts to one and the same.  In the aftermath of the 1979 revolution, those who were seen as advocating openness were violently purged before resurfacing under Presidents Khatami and Rohani. They are in favor of more peaceful relations with neighboring countries, which would imply abandoning the military-sectarian shield that Iran maintains throughout the region at great expense. Their vision appeared to be consistent with the population’s demands as expressed during the 2017-2018 protests. From then on, the representatives of this group within the ruling elites became an existential danger and an enemy to crush for the conservative establishment. Their influence on any major policy decision has now been all but eliminated. (emphasis added).

    Iran’s support for the Palestinian cause and its rhetoric of an ongoing war against Israel should be read in this context. If it was up to the Iranian people, a large majority would be in favor of normalizing relations with the Jewish state. And if seen from a sectarian perspective, Jerusalem is mostly a holy site of Sunni heritage and is not central to the Shia tradition. It is true that Ayatollah Khomeini was an early champion of the Palestinian cause, but in retrospect, that stance seems to have served more as an alibi to hide the narrowly Shia nature of his project. Iran’s anti-Israeli militancy serves multiple purposes, the most important of which is to argue that the Jewish state’s military power and behavior justify Iran’s own military and nuclear program. As to Iran’s arming of the Sunni movement Hamas in Gaza, it serves to maintain an indirect presence on Israel’s southwestern flank while driving a wedge into the Sunni front of Arab countries. 

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016
    edited June 27
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016
    edited June 27

    The Palis oppressed themselves. Please. Who else gets waterfront property and still manages to fuck it up? Israel let their people live in Israel, become citizens of Israel and before 10/7 had more than tripled the number of work permits issued to Gazans. Any single Arab Palestinian who wanted to live next to or in Israel was free to do so. He or she just had to agree to stop, you know, blowing up school buses and cafes. And even then, Israel would (stupidly) release them from prison only to have them turn around and keep trying to kill Jews. See, e.g., Yahya Sinwar.

    Oppressed indeed. Pfft. That is the crazy af US liberal go-to line. Are you a Columbia student? If not, I recommend not using it.

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,044 Founders Club

    A people unwilling to fight for their own freedom are unlikely to appreciate it being given to them by a foreign power.

    Also, until the democrats handed them pallets of cash the regime was on a razor edge with no ability to fund themselves let alone proxies. It's very simple to get back to that state of affairs.

    Doubly so since Russia and China are themselves scarce of funds to prop up Iran these days.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club

     A people unwilling to fight for their own freedom are unlikely to appreciate it being given to them by a foreign power."

    Thats the rub. Creepycoug isn't wrong but neither are you

    Let's see what happens with the Gulf States engaged.

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016
    edited June 27

    I hope you are right.

    Thanks, Obama.

    Maybe the ongoing policy is full sanction, prop up Israel and periodically bomb the ever loving shit out of strategic targets.

    I can get on board with that.

    I just need a break from the Steve Bannon/Tucker Carlson "you said you more forever wars!!!!" kermit the frog handwringing girl scouts. It's unmanly and it's unrealistic. We have interests around the globe. We are going to protect our interests as long as we have a man in the White House.

    God help us when the pendulum swings back hard to American Liberal Theocracy.

    We have a window here with a guy in the chair who is willing to swing the dick. Let him swing.

    Let me ask you this: what would you have Trump do if the Iranians started getting cute with Hormuz? I think I know what the gals would say. What would you say?

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016
    edited June 27

    One thing we know from the piece I cited, and as my primo pointed out, the Iranians were having cash flow problems. Maybe double down on that pressure and, again, periodically swing the dick when the circumstances demand it (and when they do demand it, tune out the "you promised!!!" gals). Maybe that's the way forward.

    In other words, LIPO. Until then, we sent a reminder of what we can do that they most assuredly cannot do.

    We should double up on our shitty friendship with Israel (and maybe make it not shitty) as well as financial support of war toys and let them keep crushing Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of the Arab Hitler Youth. One HAS TO BELIEVE that one can defeat terrorism. It's like roaches in your house and @Swaye ain't around to spray: you don't just sit down and let them get into your food and have run of the house. You fucking stamp them out any chance you get. Continue full unapologetic support of Israel, double down on war toy gifts, quit hiring kids from Columbia and Harvard, and dare the Islamic Republic to punch back. Dare them to even look at Hormuz and swing hard if they do.

    People and governments respect strength and pretty much nothing else. Otherwise, I want what's yours and you want what's mine.

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016

    I also want to add one more thing in true triple shit poast form:

    when Israel bent Hamas over in Gaza, every fucking liberal POS in the US said (after screaming "war crimes! war crimes!") that the REAL problem was Iran and that instead of pounding the poor Palis Israel should instead deal with Iran.

    those same liberal POS people then screamed "war monger! war monger! another forever war! oh no! end of times!" after Israel grabbed their balls and threw the punch and then screamed it louder when Trump trumped with the bombing. fuckin' A.

    after more than half a century of winning on this planet, if I have learned only one thing it is this: you simply cannot win with some people and there is no point in trying to meet them half-way. as both @UW_Doog_Bot and @RaceBannon remember, I used to be quite the centrist and I would go OUT OF MY FUCKING WAY to see things from the liberal side of things only to have it shoved back down my throat with thinly veiled and often not veiled at all accusations of racism, misogyny (well, that's mostly true, but whatever) and xenophobia. eh, some people just cannot get through their boring lives without having a perceived oppressor about which they can bitch, complain and cry.

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,044 Founders Club

    I fucking pray they fuck with Hormuz.

    We? are about the only meaningful country in the world that is well positioned to deal with that risk. Drill baby drill. OK maybe Russia at this point since they've already isolated their markets.

    It would absolutely devastate China and put the euros in their place. There's a reason China already told them "No".

    It would turn the entire Sunni world into close US allies overnight.

    In principle though, no, I like big swinging dick peace through strength foreign policy. I'm good with the occasional reminder to the rest of the world that they aren't our vassal states because of our generosity and magnanimous nature.

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025

    That is a far different approach than endless wars.

    Trump is the modern day Teddy. Talk shit and carry a bit stick.

    And that's tolerable - though morally killing people is just as wrong in military action as at the local Planned Parenthood (Holla at ya boy, creepycoug).

    You just don't have to go looking for a never ending stick recipient.