Top 25 College Football Coaches Since 2000

WoolleyDoog · May 23

I don't think someone wanting to have a dominant run game means they're not dumb. Mario aint in the stratosphere of Urb and that team also had guys that were for several years considered one of the best RBs, WRs, and DEs in the NFL. I guess that night was in a way the beginning of the end for Helfrich. Chipper was in the NFL at that point, doing better than people remember.

ntxduck · May 23

https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/2074172#Comment_2074172

the beginning of the end for helf was 2013, his first year. He inherited a strong core group of chip’s guys, but the team was incredibly sloppy and played with a lack of discipline that had been absent since the Belotti days. I remember leaving the Tennessee game in 2013 (a 59-14 win) disappointed with how sloppy overall things looked. The team was just so talented/had a bunch of veterans that it didn’t matter. But it was pretty clear just 2-3 games in to the helf era that once those chip guys left and only the helf guys remained, things were going to completely fall apart.

creepycoug · May 23

https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/2074160#Comment_2074160

That's actually not a bad comparison. Each is good at coaching a position and produced some good NFL players in those positions and each does dumb things on the sidelines. The bloom is off the rose for me with Mario, so believe me when I say there's no bias here when I say that Jimmy is probably more a trainwreck than is Mario. Cristo has done a pretty decent job of getting some basic order in the house when he has shown up to cluster fuck situations, while Jimmy was handed the keys to at least a nice BMW (but not a Ferrari) and managed to turn it into a Toyota Tercel. Jimmy also says way more stupid shit. In short, I'd say Mario has better judgment as a person (but probably not as a coach).

I agree, though. They share a lot in common.

creepycoug · May 23

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That's right. I always forget Chip wasn't there for that. I don't think it would have mattered.

No, I don't think it's dumb either. It's just a passing comment. Yes, I agree that Mario is not in Urb's league on any measure, particularly getting his players to play. Mario has failed at that time and time again. What I mean is the big juggernaut running games that are so dominant you can shout your play across the LOS before the snap and it doesn't matter. Think Jimmy Johnson and that Dallas Cowboys O line and run game. That's how I think of the 2014 Bucs. You're just never going to beat those teams unless you can do it too.

WoolleyDoog · May 23

https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/2074212#Comment_2074212

Problem with that even schools like Georgia and Bama are running into now is because of the portal and NIL it's really hard to stack a bunch of badass OL the way you used to and it's the position where you need the most guys and depth to dominate.

I have plenty of receipts about hating Mario and thinking he's a dipshit but the gap between Jimmy and him might be as big as the gap between Mario and Urb. Jimmy fucks up Oregon if he is in Mario's shoes starting in 2017 and Mario at the very least has UW bowling in 2021.