I doubt Joe was even in the room when the long-range missile decision was made. Just like when some unknown person wrote his Tweet announcing he wasn’t running for a second term. Jill wore red on Election Day for a reason, just as she ignored the Obamas on Veterans Day for a reason.
Supporting Ukraine is less Ukrainian blood. We've been over this. Giving up support for Ukraine is asking for the other 80% of Ukraine to be razed and colonized slowly but surely under the boot of a paper tiger and a massive global militarization in response.
Ukraine will be forced to form an elite but always overmatched guerilla force in a massively expanded global military threat and humanitarian crisis with increased tyrannical destruction and death for everyone involved, but mostly for Ukrainians until it's someone else.
Get it through your skull. A temporary ceasefire at any line but the border is laughable for Ukrainians, for one, but it allows Russia to reconstitute and get after it later. Putin would absolutely love that. It's what he fucking wants. You'll call it a win for Trump until you realize it wasn't, months or years later.
Putin is cackling right now. He's being forced to use North Korean and Houthi troops and is playing you/the world with social media propaganda and nuclear bluster, as he always has, among many other things, while having totally normal chats with Elon Musk, I'm sure.
European/American military will be in Ukraine within the next year because of Vladimir Putin, and no one else. It's high time you get it. This will not end on Putin's terms. The only question is just how much more tyranny is needed for the West to commit actual military. Doesn't need to be ground troops on the front lines. Air Force/Navy no entry zones, ground logistical support in Western Ukraine, etc. Putin will fold. Shoulda done it years ago, but today will always be better than tomorrow.
Greatest ROI ever, if you don't want WW3, and ya can't see it.
It's year 3 and Russia has barely gone anywhere. I think Putin realizes the jig is up.
Ukraine will mine thee absolute fuck out of everything. Even if he tries again that shit will not go well. Russia cannot get an air superiority advantage over the poorest country in Europe, even at the start of the war when Ukraine mostly had a bunch of soviet garbage.
Russia is a paper tiger and has been for 40 years.
@callmebigern Musk is a Russian agent, I did hear about that on Twitter. So is Tulsi, Trump, Tucker and JD can’t be far behind. Probably those Project 2025 guys too. You sound insane honestly. Sometimes funny.
There's a very good reason Russia hasn't gained a ton over 3, and hasn't achieved total air superiority, and it's not because of Russian ineptitude and Ukrainian wrist rockets.
It's far superior than what Ukraine has.
We also shouldn't ignore the 23% he has conquered, just because it's taken longer.
They were terribly inept at the beginning of the 2022 special military operation though, that's true. A sounder military strategy and Vlad would be sitting on a chair made of swords in Kyiv right now, eating some dumplings.
It cannot be overstated how much Russia sucks, and how far behind they are on pretty much everything. "Gas Stations with Nukes" was spot on from John McCain, and Romney was pretty prescient about Vlad too. Obama drew lines in the sand that got ran over.
Fuck yeah they're weak right now. Of course. Why are North Korean and Houthi troops fighting against Ukraine? Why is Russian land occupied by Ukraine?
Yet Russia reconstitutes and rearms constantly. It's not hard to see that Vlad is biding his time, and has shielded Moscow/St Petersburg from everything. Russia also has a huge dusty weapons stock. That's what they're using right now to wear down will from the West, bide time, and missile and terrorize Ukraine because Ukraine can only defend with what they have, and he knows Ukraine can't realistically counter on their own. If Ukraine was strong, they wouldn't be getting slowly worn down right now by meat waves, boomsticks, global Russian propaganda and nuclear threats. Ukraine is badass, but it's not an equal fight.
Western forces would help push Russia out of Ukraine in a few weeks time right now. It's now or later. Much more effective and efficient right now. I'm assuming Putin will fleece Trump and broker a deal that freezes lines temporarily and gives Putin his Donbas shale basins and Black Sea oil so Europe still has to rely on HIS fossil fuel, not Ukraine's. Trump and Putin will be regarded as temporary heros for saving the world while Putin cackles and prepares for the rest. Russians will vacation in Crimea again.
It's all fucked. This is why Western military confrontation is coming whether we like it or not. Poland and Finland are gonna stop waiting around soon.
Russia does not have the technology and military capacity to do anything anytime soon. They are in a stalemate with fucking Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't going to just smelt the weapons and wait for Russia to attack again while doing nothing. That border will make the Korean border look demilitarized…
@PostGameOrangeSlices , it's good to have someone in here who can point to Ukraine on a map at least. I question your recent decommitment, but it's something we can work on. You're not licking Putin's gooch. It's a start.
Neither side can gain territory in big chunks. Ukraine is not getting back the lost land. Russia has mined, dragons teethed, and sighted in every square inch of that shit. It is suicide to try.
Russia can barely go anywhere in Ukraine even with a massive manpower advantage.
Let Russia keep Mariupol, which is the only halfway decent city they captured, the other towns, and call it a day. I don't see any reality where Ukraine takes the lost land back by force.
Russia is weak because they have only slowly gained territory over the last 3 years. A stronger Russia would have done it faster.
Suck Russia off harder, yeesh.
Yes, they are weak because they have a worn and outdated military theory that they've used for centuries. It's Russian tradition. Their military structure is completely broken and orderless, but that really doesn't matter when you use sheer force on an enemy that can't withstand that force, and you adapt on the battlefield. That's the whole idea, and they have. This is what they do.
They are also weak because Ukraine stood up with the biggest citizen resistance you'll ever see, and the West has substantially backed them with mothballs.
It's not enough, and it won't be enough. Everything is going according to plan for Dad Vlad.
Ukraine will get their territory back. It might be 1-20 years, but it'll happen. The West could help do it in weeks and tell Russia to fuck off, right now, save a lot of trouble, and Vlad wouldn't do a goddamn thing about it besides kill himself.
Ukraine is the most corrupt country on the planet. The only reason we are helping is because that is where they launder money and run pedo hangouts for the rich and powerful. They also had the biolabs that were recently reported to have assisted in creating Covid19. This is the left's ultimate playground and Joe and the rest of the dems/RINO's are up to their necks in crime.
While paying the Russians back for Vietnam etc. is fun it's not worth the treasure and blood and Ukraine will just go back to the criminals.
The left created the current Ukraine. Obama overthrew the previous admin so they could rob it and us blind and diddle kids.
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I doubt Joe was even in the room when the long-range missile decision was made. Just like when some unknown person wrote his Tweet announcing he wasn’t running for a second term. Jill wore red on Election Day for a reason, just as she ignored the Obamas on Veterans Day for a reason.
Supporting Ukraine is less Ukrainian blood. We've been over this. Giving up support for Ukraine is asking for the other 80% of Ukraine to be razed and colonized slowly but surely under the boot of a paper tiger and a massive global militarization in response.
Ukraine will be forced to form an elite but always overmatched guerilla force in a massively expanded global military threat and humanitarian crisis with increased tyrannical destruction and death for everyone involved, but mostly for Ukrainians until it's someone else.
Get it through your skull. A temporary ceasefire at any line but the border is laughable for Ukrainians, for one, but it allows Russia to reconstitute and get after it later. Putin would absolutely love that. It's what he fucking wants. You'll call it a win for Trump until you realize it wasn't, months or years later.
Putin is cackling right now. He's being forced to use North Korean and Houthi troops and is playing you/the world with social media propaganda and nuclear bluster, as he always has, among many other things, while having totally normal chats with Elon Musk, I'm sure.
European/American military will be in Ukraine within the next year because of Vladimir Putin, and no one else. It's high time you get it. This will not end on Putin's terms. The only question is just how much more tyranny is needed for the West to commit actual military. Doesn't need to be ground troops on the front lines. Air Force/Navy no entry zones, ground logistical support in Western Ukraine, etc. Putin will fold. Shoulda done it years ago, but today will always be better than tomorrow.
Greatest ROI ever, if you don't want WW3, and ya can't see it.
It's year 3 and Russia has barely gone anywhere. I think Putin realizes the jig is up.
Ukraine will mine thee absolute fuck out of everything. Even if he tries again that shit will not go well. Russia cannot get an air superiority advantage over the poorest country in Europe, even at the start of the war when Ukraine mostly had a bunch of soviet garbage.
Russia is a paper tiger and has been for 40 years.
@callmebigern Musk is a Russian agent, I did hear about that on Twitter. So is Tulsi, Trump, Tucker and JD can’t be far behind. Probably those Project 2025 guys too. You sound insane honestly. Sometimes funny.
There's a very good reason Russia hasn't gained a ton over 3, and hasn't achieved total air superiority, and it's not because of Russian ineptitude and Ukrainian wrist rockets.
It's far superior than what Ukraine has.
We also shouldn't ignore the 23% he has conquered, just because it's taken longer.
They were terribly inept at the beginning of the 2022 special military operation though, that's true. A sounder military strategy and Vlad would be sitting on a chair made of swords in Kyiv right now, eating some dumplings.
That's still a main goal.
Yes it's because Russia has 0 answer for NATO and American hand me downs.
Here is a 35 year old US missle platform hitting a major Russian airfield right across the border from Ukraine:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1gzjafc/ru_pov_the_moment_of_arrival_of_the_atacms/
Lucky Russian driver. Some nice Uncle Sam fireworks.
This missile attack also destroyed the "state of the art" S400 defense system at the airfield.
https://ua-stena.info/en/atacms-missile-strike-on-russian-airfield/
It cannot be overstated how much Russia sucks, and how far behind they are on pretty much everything. "Gas Stations with Nukes" was spot on from John McCain, and Romney was pretty prescient about Vlad too. Obama drew lines in the sand that got ran over.
@PostGameOrangeSlices
Fuck yeah they're weak right now. Of course. Why are North Korean and Houthi troops fighting against Ukraine? Why is Russian land occupied by Ukraine?
Yet Russia reconstitutes and rearms constantly. It's not hard to see that Vlad is biding his time, and has shielded Moscow/St Petersburg from everything. Russia also has a huge dusty weapons stock. That's what they're using right now to wear down will from the West, bide time, and missile and terrorize Ukraine because Ukraine can only defend with what they have, and he knows Ukraine can't realistically counter on their own. If Ukraine was strong, they wouldn't be getting slowly worn down right now by meat waves, boomsticks, global Russian propaganda and nuclear threats. Ukraine is badass, but it's not an equal fight.
Western forces would help push Russia out of Ukraine in a few weeks time right now. It's now or later. Much more effective and efficient right now. I'm assuming Putin will fleece Trump and broker a deal that freezes lines temporarily and gives Putin his Donbas shale basins and Black Sea oil so Europe still has to rely on HIS fossil fuel, not Ukraine's. Trump and Putin will be regarded as temporary heros for saving the world while Putin cackles and prepares for the rest. Russians will vacation in Crimea again.
It's all fucked. This is why Western military confrontation is coming whether we like it or not. Poland and Finland are gonna stop waiting around soon.
Russia does not have the technology and military capacity to do anything anytime soon. They are in a stalemate with fucking Ukraine.
Ukraine isn't going to just smelt the weapons and wait for Russia to attack again while doing nothing. That border will make the Korean border look demilitarized…
You seem to be implying that Russia is in a stalemate with Ukraine for 3 years solely because of Russia's weakness.
@PostGameOrangeSlices , it's good to have someone in here who can point to Ukraine on a map at least. I question your recent decommitment, but it's something we can work on. You're not licking Putin's gooch. It's a start.
They are
Neither side can gain territory in big chunks. Ukraine is not getting back the lost land. Russia has mined, dragons teethed, and sighted in every square inch of that shit. It is suicide to try.
Russia can barely go anywhere in Ukraine even with a massive manpower advantage.
Let Russia keep Mariupol, which is the only halfway decent city they captured, the other towns, and call it a day. I don't see any reality where Ukraine takes the lost land back by force.
Russia is weak because they have only slowly gained territory over the last 3 years. A stronger Russia would have done it faster.
Suck Russia off harder, yeesh.
Yes, they are weak because they have a worn and outdated military theory that they've used for centuries. It's Russian tradition. Their military structure is completely broken and orderless, but that really doesn't matter when you use sheer force on an enemy that can't withstand that force, and you adapt on the battlefield. That's the whole idea, and they have. This is what they do.
They are also weak because Ukraine stood up with the biggest citizen resistance you'll ever see, and the West has substantially backed them with mothballs.
It's not enough, and it won't be enough. Everything is going according to plan for Dad Vlad.
Just curious, have you seen 20 Days in Mariupol?
Ukraine will get their territory back. It might be 1-20 years, but it'll happen. The West could help do it in weeks and tell Russia to fuck off, right now, save a lot of trouble, and Vlad wouldn't do a goddamn thing about it besides kill himself.
Ern, what if the Ukrainian people want to make a deal and end this?
Ukraine is the most corrupt country on the planet. The only reason we are helping is because that is where they launder money and run pedo hangouts for the rich and powerful. They also had the biolabs that were recently reported to have assisted in creating Covid19. This is the left's ultimate playground and Joe and the rest of the dems/RINO's are up to their necks in crime.
While paying the Russians back for Vietnam etc. is fun it's not worth the treasure and blood and Ukraine will just go back to the criminals.
The left created the current Ukraine. Obama overthrew the previous admin so they could rob it and us blind and diddle kids.
We can assume the Ukrainian people want this to end because the little dictator canceled the elections. He knew he was going to lose
Democracy in action
The military aged men fleeing or being pulled into vans is a tell. Ern demands they run through the minefields towards the trenches with no air cover.
Are You for us troops in Ukraine? Because that's how they get the land back...