Are WE Fisching In No Man's Land?
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I now wonder if Deboer could have gotten these guys to visit too but ultimately he knew they would cost energy and money that could be used for other stuff and he figured to just pass on hosting and stalking guys who aren't signing anyway.
I do think there is a bit of a bs game you have to play to land better recruits. I assume there's an appeal to creating a fake buzz that UW is a place you should visit and the same with signing or getting commits from overrated 4 stars just to bump up the rating so you don't look like some weird outlier school. I just don't know if UW can pull it off and the results seem to be mixed.
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I think there are two things working against early commits now. One is that the extreme blue chips, like guys rated mid 90s or higher,want to create a bidding war and it's in their interest to let that play out.
The lower 4*and high 3* guys, if I understand correctly, haven't all been guaranteed cash just for showing up. Some get it, especially if they're one of the few higher rates recruits at a school that doesn't recruit with the big boys, but many/most don't. These guys are motivated to hold off as long as they can stand, with the hope that some money will eventually be part of the equation.
Uninformed guesses from the fringe...
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I think these are decent theories. The problem is college football is so cloak and dagger you never really know with stuff so you kind of have to just guess and theorize a lot.
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Exactly. I've always felt that way about college football. It's probably worse now though and it sure doesn't have the same intrigue for me that it used to. Maybe once all of this new shit settles out a bit.
I would think that at some point the $ being paid to players is going to become public and that would remove one of the bigger topics to speculate about.
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It seems like the staff wants guys to take all their visits.
Money is always talked about but the glaring issue is that in an era where players will follow their position coaches around to random shit hole campuses, we've had 3 different staffs in 4 years. And the one consistently productive recruiter was the guy that survived multiple staff changes.
Fisch might need to do a little more than bullshit kids for a bit to get it going.
All I know is DeBoer had zero personality for it, had no track record of developing players for the NFL, and was liking posts on Twitter criticizing pay for play, and still put together a fringe top 25 class that many TBSers thought was much better than that ranking. So we will be fine.
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I’ve been having a hard time understanding the angst over recruiting this early in Fisch’s tenure and going into a rebuilding season but this comment turned on a lightbulb for me-
Were y’all really expecting him to come in and put up a top ten class? In his first year?
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I at least don't have angst yet, just worry. I'm not expecting a Top 10 class but he did big talk saying best recruiting class in program history and that would be Top 10. There's so many god damn things going against UW to make a Top 10 class right now and I think the system is more rigged and fucked up than it used to be. Still, I just wonder if what Deboer was doing may have been the way.
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Agree on all this. Shepherd and Huff and possibly the DB coach seemed like the only real good recruiters on the staff and Huff seemed to even not recruit the higher TBS guys under DeBoer, but that also could partly be the West Coast OL talent being fucking thin.
I really liked Deboer's first class and what this one was gonna be before he took off. Until proven otherwise I did trust his strategy of seemingly taking guys who had great tools and not necessarily TBS hype and taking 4 star guys just to boost your rating. Plus, probably focusing on guys that are actually coming and not burning a million calories to get a hat on a table.
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Thats just standard coach speak and puffery.
Top 25-30 should be expectations which is where Petersen was until maybe last couple years after they’d established dominance in the PAC.
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I mostly agree with that but do think they have to swing more in the 11-20 range to be a team that can compete like the last two years. If you're getting Romes, Jalens, Troys, Rogengartens, Buddas, McDuffies you will be in that range and it's even trickier now with how shitty the talent is in-state and on the west coast. I think to actually win a natty last year they needed a couple Shaq Thompson types too.
