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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,495 Founders Club

    I agree with most of that but the free American Online college sounds like a shit idea with a close to 0% chance of being implemented effectively.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,933 Standard Supporter

    Pretty much the hit rate on non-stem degrees from almost any state public college which are running about $20k a year with room and board, tuition, books, fees amok.

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,495 Founders Club

    Massively overgeneralizing the traditional college problem which is that there too many fuck heads that shouldn't have gone in the first place, but their middle class parents are forcing the issue because they refuse to believe that post high school Johnny is a fucktard.

    American online college wont fix that problem either.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,637 Standard Supporter

    Hey the college thing seems a bit strange but why take up class space with people who don't really want to be in an actual class? Might leave room for the more ambitious.

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,495 Founders Club

    If online only for high schools and college was a terrible idea (it was) then this idea isn't going to work, and it doesn't matter if it's Trump or Biden behind it.

    Military, trade/skill programs, or just straight working your way up from the bottom at a large company out of high school is what a ton of kids need but their middle class boomer parents can't swallow admitting that to their friends.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,933 Standard Supporter

    Government isn't the solution it is the problem. Stupid parents allowing their stupid kids to "borrow" huge amounts of government cash for worthless degrees is a guaranteed failure. Now we have $1.8 trillion of student debt and a huge default rate. If I had student debt I'd default and wait for the 2024 November election and expect that if the dems win that I get a huge amount of debt relief. Get the government out of student debt and let the banks loan money to people they expect to pay it back. Loaning a hundred thousand dollars to a poor student for a gender studies degree ain't happening. I agree, put the money into military, trade/skill programs.

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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,495 Founders Club

    Sure, but what you said about "non-STEM degrees", assuming some large cost that can be mitigated by doing your first 2 years at community college, working jobs, etc, and then implying that we should just carve colleges down to being nothing but glorified tech schools is an absolutely terrible idea.

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,495 Founders Club
    edited March 2024

    Jesus fucking christ, Vanilla's back end/data layer/lambda system is so fucking slow atm to have the client timeout like this.

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,495 Founders Club
    edited March 2024

    Fucking shit ass back end.

    This is just users and some guids and some foreign keys. How hard is it to make a schema that doesn't fuck up like this, if that's what's now slowing their shit down.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,933 Standard Supporter

    If you want to spend a hundred grand of your own money for a gender studies degree, then go ahead and our wonderful colleges can continue as they are. I have a BA in History. Back in the 70s it was still a useful degree as it was Western Civ centric. While the commies were at the gates they hadn't yet conquered the department. Minored in trade school Accountancy. Today I wouldn't touch a liberal arts degree from anywhere not named Hillsdale. Colleges need the market to carve them down. If the History department wants some students, they need to teach some actual history, not made up sh*t to hit a DEI score or secure some chicom money. Toss in some economics and basic science and make a liberal arts degree worth something - how to read, think, learn and be able to write a comprehensive paper that explains your thinking.