Well to be the guy to follow "The Guy" isn't going to be easy. Especially since Georgia had already taken the crown from the king. Trust me, the SEC fans are nuts. I know, I am one. Losing Spurrier hurt, we still haven't replaced that man.
Yes I know Urban won two titles. But he was a six year dude. Spurrier built the program from what if, to this is the standard. Tide fans had Bear, but nobody else came close to him until Nick did better. DeBoer isn't matching that. He isn't going to have five stars stacked up like Nick. Especially in this era, especially in the SEC.
My guess is Bama does what LSU does. They are always talented, but will only be serious challengers every other year. No six titles in ten years. Nobody is pulling that off. Not Bama, Michigan, Clemson, Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, FSU, USC, Georgia.
He is going to a fanbase that had ppl saying the game had passed Saban by as he won the conference and got into the playoffs with his least talented roster in years. Good luck.
Bama is not bama. It was Saban. Just like Florida is not Florida , it was urban and the ol ball coach before that.
About half the schools in the sec can become juggernauts with the right coach. His passing attack and game day coaching is elite. Not sure if that will be enough when they're going to be outbid by other schools in the same conference.
Bama and Florida’s histories aren’t comparable in any way.
Yes, but UF, FSU and Miami all love to live under some delusion that they're traditional powers.
To some extent, Oregon seems to live under that delusion, too.
Depends on what you mean by traditional. Bama is now in its own class apart from literally everybody else due to what Saban did there. Before that, it was very debatable. I grew up with Bama being little more than Ok but for a short run with Gene Stallings, who was a good coach. But it was a blip.
Lots of teams, including those many "traditional" teams, go through long runs of mediocrity. But I wouldn't be so quick to shit on what at least Miami and FSU have contributed to the game. I don't see 5 titles and many other landmarks for Miami qualifying as "delusional". OTOH, individual markers that are almost entirely a function of being a good program for 85 years or more are not going to be in either program's record book for a while. If that's what you care about, then there's no arguing the point. I would say Florida State's run of 14 straight years of ending the season in the top 5 is a pretty impressive mark amongst all-time accomplishments.
Did Deboer tear down the roster when he got to UW? How much turnover was there?
A big portion of what's going on at Bama is out of his control, but he doesn't seem to be doing shit to stop it either.
He convinced a ton of guys to stay when he got here, and added Penix and others. It was nothing like what he's got going on right now, but it's a different environment. It seems entering the portal is the thing to do now, even if you're planning on staying.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if he’s a drunk philanderer who is definitely my enemy.
When your new found friend is Cutty Sark, you know the apocalypse is approaching.
Quite the opposite. It's easy to be friends with someone when you rape them two years in a row. It's actually the only reason there's still hope for you here.
Did Deboer tear down the roster when he got to UW? How much turnover was there?
A big portion of what's going on at Bama is out of his control, but he doesn't seem to be doing shit to stop it either.
He convinced a ton of guys to stay when he got here, and added Penix and others. It was nothing like what he's got going on right now, but it's a different environment. It seems entering the portal is the thing to do now, even if you're planning on staying.
The January vs December timing is a big part of it too. Easier for a new coach to manage it all in December. Way more leverage for a smaller group of players in January, or at least the players think so.
OC at Southern Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Fresno State and perennial Big Ten doormat Indiana.
HFC at Fresno and UW, the latter in a city where — to borrow a line from one of y'all degenerates here — the average sports fan's idea of a good time is "marching in a Sounders parade wearing(?) a butt plug"
Now DeBoer follows arguably inarguably the greatest College Football coach of all time — an icon worshiped by a fan base many times larger and more emotionally invested than UW's in a part of the country where CFB is by far the most widespread obsession.
And this outsider brings along a staff with a similar lack of connections to and/or familiarity with the South -- and one that demonstrated little aptitude or appetite for high-stakes recruiting battles at their previous stop.
Meanwhile, the Alabama program — which got a break in recruiting because of its runaway on-field success and reputation for developing pros (the "Saban discount" they've called it) — has come to a quick realization it's far behind a number of SEC schools in NIL fundraising required to land 4- and 5-star prospects.
Couple that new-found sense of vulnerability with the vast majority of SEC schools eager to even the score against the conference's dominant force ... and it's not hard to see DeBoer stumbling a few times in by far the nation's most competitive conference.
Western Kentucky South Florida at Wisconsin Georgia at Vanderbilt South Carolina at Tennessee Missouri at LSU Mercer at Oklahoma Auburn
How might 9-3 or 8-4 go over in Tuscaloosa?
He is unlucky. It's probably the first time they've played out of the South (regular season) in 20 years.
OC at Southern Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Fresno State and perennial Big Ten doormat Indiana.
HFC at Fresno and UW, the latter in a city where — to borrow a line from one of y'all degenerates here — the average sports fan's idea of a good time is "marching in a Sounders parade wearing(?) a butt plug"
Now DeBoer follows arguably inarguably the greatest College Football coach of all time — an icon worshiped by a fan base many times larger and more emotionally invested than UW's in a part of the country where CFB is by far the most widespread obsession.
And this outsider brings along a staff with a similar lack of connections to and/or familiarity with the South -- and one that demonstrated little aptitude or appetite for high-stakes recruiting battles at their previous stop.
Meanwhile, the Alabama program — which got a break in recruiting because of its runaway on-field success and reputation for developing pros (the "Saban discount" they've called it) — has come to a quick realization it's far behind a number of SEC schools in NIL fundraising required to land 4- and 5-star prospects.
Couple that new-found sense of vulnerability with the vast majority of SEC schools eager to even the score against the conference's dominant force ... and it's not hard to see DeBoer stumbling a few times in by far the nation's most competitive conference.
Western Kentucky South Florida at Wisconsin Georgia at Vanderbilt South Carolina at Tennessee Missouri at LSU Mercer at Oklahoma Auburn
How might 9-3 or 8-4 go over in Tuscaloosa?
Hes laughing all the way to the bank is what im thinking.
He is going to a fanbase that had ppl saying the game had passed Saban by as he won the conference and got into the playoffs with his least talented roster in years. Good luck.
Bama is not bama. It was Saban. Just like Florida is not Florida , it was urban and the ol ball coach before that.
About half the schools in the sec can become juggernauts with the right coach. His passing attack and game day coaching is elite. Not sure if that will be enough when they're going to be outbid by other schools in the same conference.
Bama and Florida’s histories aren’t comparable in any way.
Yes, but UF, FSU and Miami all love to live under some delusion that they're traditional powers.
To some extent, Oregon seems to live under that delusion, too.
Depends on what you mean by traditional. Bama is now in its own class apart from literally everybody else due to what Saban did there. Before that, it was very debatable. I grew up with Bama being little more than Ok but for a short run with Gene Stallings, who was a good coach. But it was a blip.
Lots of teams, including those many "traditional" teams, go through long runs of mediocrity. But I wouldn't be so quick to shit on what at least Miami and FSU have contributed to the game. I don't see 5 titles and many other landmarks for Miami qualifying as "delusional". OTOH, individual markers that are almost entirely a function of being a good program for 85 years or more are not going to be in either program's record book for a while. If that's what you care about, then there's no arguing the point. I would say Florida State's run of 14 straight years of ending the season in the top 5 is a pretty impressive mark amongst all-time accomplishments.
He is going to a fanbase that had ppl saying the game had passed Saban by as he won the conference and got into the playoffs with his least talented roster in years. Good luck.
Bama is not bama. It was Saban. Just like Florida is not Florida , it was urban and the ol ball coach before that.
About half the schools in the sec can become juggernauts with the right coach. His passing attack and game day coaching is elite. Not sure if that will be enough when they're going to be outbid by other schools in the same conference.
Bama and Florida’s histories aren’t comparable in any way.
You're missing the point. Bama, LSU, Florida and UGA have been top 5 programs at different times. They have all sucked at different times. Saban builds a dynasty at any of those schools. Not just bama. Now that he is gone, there is no Saban discount for the bag hungry croots and transfers. It's not the same job it was a few weeks ago.
You’re missing the point. This isn’t an alternate universe.
In the world we live in Bama has more than twice as many national titles as Florida does conference titles.
In the world we live in Saban went to Bama and scared Urban out of the conference while Florida went on to ruin the careers of Muschamp, Durkin, McElwain, Mullen, and now Napier.
the right coach can win at Florida. easily. Alabama isn't good automatically. put Saban at Florida and you get the same result. yes, alternative universe. but the organic requirements for those 3 schools to win are in-place, especially so at Florida (much as it pains me to say so).
but I think you're saying, "yeah, but that's not what happened." and ain't that the truth. will be a long, long time before literally any other cfb program can truly brag about being the GOAT.
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Yes I know Urban won two titles. But he was a six year dude. Spurrier built the program from what if, to this is the standard. Tide fans had Bear, but nobody else came close to him until Nick did better. DeBoer isn't matching that. He isn't going to have five stars stacked up like Nick. Especially in this era, especially in the SEC.
My guess is Bama does what LSU does. They are always talented, but will only be serious challengers every other year. No six titles in ten years. Nobody is pulling that off. Not Bama, Michigan, Clemson, Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, FSU, USC, Georgia.
A big portion of what's going on at Bama is out of his control, but he doesn't seem to be doing shit to stop it either.
but I think you're saying, "yeah, but that's not what happened." and ain't that the truth. will be a long, long time before literally any other cfb program can truly brag about being the GOAT.
that Georgia game if gonna be special one way or another
KD after one year at Bama