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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,788
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes. This idea that they'd just keep adding in the 2nd portal window was more pipe dream than reality as those leaving in that cycle are typically those realizing that they aren't going to play and dropping levels than being people that you want playing at Washington.

    2024 for this program is as follows:

    - Keep as much talent as possible that has entered the portal and keep (might be able to keep 1/2 to 2/3 of what is in currently at best)

    - Get whatever you can from Arizona (most likely going to be those that were in this year's recruiting class and players with multiple years of eligibility vs those with 1 year and the ability to go to the NFL after this year)

    - Develop players on this year's roster and give them the opportunity to play and get better over the course of the season to figure out who can and can't be part of the solution going forward

    - Recruit like mad and sign what could/should be the largest HS class in the history of UW football

    - Attack the portal for the 2025 season

    How anybody thinks that this team has a 8-10 win ceiling in 2024 returning 2 starters (at this point) TOTAL by backfilling around the portal is delusional

    Enjoy the 2023 journey

    Be smart with the money in 2024 and keep the powder relatively dry

    Position yourself to be good in 2025 and 2026
    Sounds like next year 3 is going to be speshul.

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    ExtraChrisBExtraChrisB Member Posts: 1,810
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
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    SweatpantsGeneralSweatpantsGeneral Member Posts: 2,053
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes. This idea that they'd just keep adding in the 2nd portal window was more pipe dream than reality as those leaving in that cycle are typically those realizing that they aren't going to play and dropping levels than being people that you want playing at Washington.

    2024 for this program is as follows:

    - Keep as much talent as possible that has entered the portal and keep (might be able to keep 1/2 to 2/3 of what is in currently at best)

    - Get whatever you can from Arizona (most likely going to be those that were in this year's recruiting class and players with multiple years of eligibility vs those with 1 year and the ability to go to the NFL after this year)

    - Develop players on this year's roster and give them the opportunity to play and get better over the course of the season to figure out who can and can't be part of the solution going forward

    - Recruit like mad and sign what could/should be the largest HS class in the history of UW football

    - Attack the portal for the 2025 season

    How anybody thinks that this team has a 8-10 win ceiling in 2024 returning 2 starters (at this point) TOTAL by backfilling around the portal is delusional

    Enjoy the 2023 journey

    Be smart with the money in 2024 and keep the powder relatively dry

    Position yourself to be good in 2025 and 2026
    Do you ever post anything other than reasons why we are going to suck and excuses for that suckage?
    Take your 97 posts and shove them up your ass

    You couldn't be more inaccurate
    Hurtful.

    The shoving 97 posts in the ass, not the poast.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
    Saw plenty of people talking about how Rogers was an undervalued asset like Penix and that when you put him in the DeBoer/Grubb offense that he'd be able to step in and perform at a high enough level to just keep things going

    Best case was that he was going to be an 80-90% version of Penix

    Worst case was that he was going to be a statue and that Mack was going to get the job coming out of the bye
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    BonerBoner Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 198
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
    Saw plenty of people talking about how Rogers was an undervalued asset like Penix and that when you put him in the DeBoer/Grubb offense that he'd be able to step in and perform at a high enough level to just keep things going

    Best case was that he was going to be an 80-90% version of Penix

    Worst case was that he was going to be a statue and that Mack was going to get the job coming out of the bye
    It would be interesting to know more about NIL payments/contracts. Did Rogers and other players that transferred and enrolled cash in on any NIL promises, and now with the dirty Dutchman bailing they can cash in again somewhere else? I’m curious how much money DB cost montlake futures in wasted deals.
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    AtomicDawgAtomicDawg Member Posts: 6,982
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
    Saw plenty of people talking about how Rogers was an undervalued asset like Penix and that when you put him in the DeBoer/Grubb offense that he'd be able to step in and perform at a high enough level to just keep things going

    Best case was that he was going to be an 80-90% version of Penix

    Worst case was that he was going to be a statue and that Mack was going to get the job coming out of the bye
    Assuming nobody transferred out and what happened at RB, the offense had a chance to still be very good. The wr's and oline were still looking good overall. Not the level of this year, but enough to win 8-9 games with no major injuries.

    The defense was thin for sure and a concern. That was just winning 5 or 6 games in conference which is not that hard for a coaching staff that has proven to be masterful with the passing game.

    Now obviously, all bets are off.
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    RTDRTD Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 783
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    Tequilla said:

    RTD said:

    Bama fan's will be looking to murder this guy if he thinks the Husky class has even 1 JAG worthy of being on the Bama roster.
    If KDB thinks that this UW class will be accepted as the backfill to what is leaving Alabama ... he won't make it 2 years there
    He knows this was his one shot at his mountain top, but I have a hard time believing he’s gonna be the guy that replaces Saban long term. O/U set at 3 yrs.
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    Seven_ElevenSeven_Eleven Member Posts: 109
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes. This idea that they'd just keep adding in the 2nd portal window was more pipe dream than reality as those leaving in that cycle are typically those realizing that they aren't going to play and dropping levels than being people that you want playing at Washington.

    2024 for this program is as follows:

    - Keep as much talent as possible that has entered the portal and keep (might be able to keep 1/2 to 2/3 of what is in currently at best)

    - Get whatever you can from Arizona (most likely going to be those that were in this year's recruiting class and players with multiple years of eligibility vs those with 1 year and the ability to go to the NFL after this year)

    - Develop players on this year's roster and give them the opportunity to play and get better over the course of the season to figure out who can and can't be part of the solution going forward

    - Recruit like mad and sign what could/should be the largest HS class in the history of UW football

    - Attack the portal for the 2025 season

    How anybody thinks that this team has a 8-10 win ceiling in 2024 returning 2 starters (at this point) TOTAL by backfilling around the portal is delusional

    Enjoy the 2023 journey

    Be smart with the money in 2024 and keep the powder relatively dry

    Position yourself to be good in 2025 and 2026
    Do you ever post anything other than reasons why we are going to suck and excuses for that suckage?
    Take your 97 posts and shove them up your ass

    You couldn't be more inaccurate
    Sure I could.

    "Tequilla is not a little bitch who sucks tiny cocks and throws hissyfits when called out on his lifetime achievement of setting low expectations for every new coach."

    See. There was me being much more inaccurate.

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    EsophagealFecesEsophagealFeces Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,475
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
    No one I saw explicitly said that, but there’s been a lot of dooging going on, and people saying there was no reason why we shouldn’t win 10 games next year. Numerous people jumped down @PostGameOrangeSlices’ throat when he suggested we were looking at an 8 win season next year. At this point, we’ll be damn lucky to make a bowl game unless we steal all of Arizona’s best players.
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,909
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes. This idea that they'd just keep adding in the 2nd portal window was more pipe dream than reality as those leaving in that cycle are typically those realizing that they aren't going to play and dropping levels than being people that you want playing at Washington.

    2024 for this program is as follows:

    - Keep as much talent as possible that has entered the portal and keep (might be able to keep 1/2 to 2/3 of what is in currently at best)

    - Get whatever you can from Arizona (most likely going to be those that were in this year's recruiting class and players with multiple years of eligibility vs those with 1 year and the ability to go to the NFL after this year)

    - Develop players on this year's roster and give them the opportunity to play and get better over the course of the season to figure out who can and can't be part of the solution going forward

    - Recruit like mad and sign what could/should be the largest HS class in the history of UW football

    - Attack the portal for the 2025 season

    How anybody thinks that this team has a 8-10 win ceiling in 2024 returning 2 starters (at this point) TOTAL by backfilling around the portal is delusional

    Enjoy the 2023 journey

    Be smart with the money in 2024 and keep the powder relatively dry

    Position yourself to be good in 2025 and 2026
    Do you ever post anything other than reasons why we are going to suck and excuses for that suckage?
    Teq’s a warrior poet. Better put some respek on that name
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,909
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    edited January 18

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
    I…. Did… in explaining my unwavering confidence and faith in dedouche I figured he’d find a way.

    I’ll never love or trust again.
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    EwaDawgEwaDawg Member Posts: 3,992
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    I expect results this year not 25

    Nothing has changed with me. Fuck excuses get it done or get the fuck out

    Same as always

    DeBoer went 11-2 off of 4-8.

    Welcome back. Was worried about you for about 30 hours or so.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    I was at a wedding this summer with a former UW golfer who is now a current coach in the SEC. He is still fairly connected at UW and told me that UW was on around 7/8 in NIL last year, and that Penix was on 1.75, it was only 1 but fucking Bama tried to jack Penix from us and offered him 1.5, so UW had to up to 1.75.

    He told me that UW NIL was good for 3rd in the Pac behind USC (10-12), and Oregon (15ish).

    I thought I saw that UW was going to commit to Kalen NIL of around 10-12 if he stayed this year. UW also does have some solid partnerships (see Amazon NIL for Penix, and Adidas (for Penix / Rome). So while UWs NIL isn’t elite, and continues to improve, it’s pretty solid. Dannen seems to also understand this.

    He also told me his SEC school had 300k for golf, wild.

    Golf fucking matters down there ...

    Plus it's a far better ROI to swing your big dick at the country club after winning SEC and Natties
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes. This idea that they'd just keep adding in the 2nd portal window was more pipe dream than reality as those leaving in that cycle are typically those realizing that they aren't going to play and dropping levels than being people that you want playing at Washington.

    2024 for this program is as follows:

    - Keep as much talent as possible that has entered the portal and keep (might be able to keep 1/2 to 2/3 of what is in currently at best)

    - Get whatever you can from Arizona (most likely going to be those that were in this year's recruiting class and players with multiple years of eligibility vs those with 1 year and the ability to go to the NFL after this year)

    - Develop players on this year's roster and give them the opportunity to play and get better over the course of the season to figure out who can and can't be part of the solution going forward

    - Recruit like mad and sign what could/should be the largest HS class in the history of UW football

    - Attack the portal for the 2025 season

    How anybody thinks that this team has a 8-10 win ceiling in 2024 returning 2 starters (at this point) TOTAL by backfilling around the portal is delusional

    Enjoy the 2023 journey

    Be smart with the money in 2024 and keep the powder relatively dry

    Position yourself to be good in 2025 and 2026
    Do you ever post anything other than reasons why we are going to suck and excuses for that suckage?
    Take your 97 posts and shove them up your ass

    You couldn't be more inaccurate
    Hurtful.

    The shoving 97 posts in the ass, not the poast.
    Felt like the proper time to take the gloves off for a nanosecond
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
    No one I saw explicitly said that, but there’s been a lot of dooging going on, and people saying there was no reason why we shouldn’t win 10 games next year. Numerous people jumped down @PostGameOrangeSlices’ throat when he suggested we were looking at an 8 win season next year. At this point, we’ll be damn lucky to make a bowl game unless we steal all of Arizona’s best players.
    The biggest problem for 2024 is really twofold ...

    1) We're moving into a new conference where winning at the LOS is paramount ... that's table stakes in the Big10. Every single Big10 school saw Michigan run the ball right down our throats and will default to that game plan until we prove that we can stop it. Obviously not everybody has Michigan's talent but you know it's coming. The UW DL isn't exactly anticipated to materially improve (as it stands) as there are far more departures than there are additions and the LB room is still far more resembling a JAG squad than a bunch of difference makers

    2) When factoring in the portal presence of the 4 returning OL with snap experience (3 starters and elder Hatchett) and you're looking at what is potentially a very young and inexperienced OL. That's not a great recipe for success going into the B10.

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    CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 28,886
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    People need to understand this …

    Fisch inherited a rebuild

    The lack of depth in the program is fairly significant

    Add in players portaling and the crater that forms if they leave

    I think most have been way too high with what things looked like had none of the upheaval happened

    Buckle up … time to build this from the ground up

    "People need to understand this"

    What part of this board-wide meltdown makes you think people aren't understanding this? It's literally all we're talking about.
    People kept thinking that this program was winning 9 to 10 games next year with a QB that everybody was projecting as Penix (he wasn't) and the same depth gaps on the roster that were never filled in the 2021 and 2022 classes.
    Not a single person thought this, let alone projected it.
    I didn’t project anything about Rogers & Penix but I looked at what shoulda/coulda/woulda been the roster for 2024 had Fats returned and put the O/U at 9.5

    That was without looking at the schedule and any @Tequilla level deep dive. Probably a little Dooging in my assessment but also giving credit to Fats as a great coach.
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