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Will Pete Carroll just be another elderly coach who now sucks?
Sandra6
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15 years ago, we saw this with Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno. Now, we're seeing it with Bill Belichick and Gregg Popovich. The once great coach who gets old and sucks in their old age.
I think that half the reason why Saban retired is because he realized he'd soon start sucking, too.
I think that half the reason why Saban retired is because he realized he'd soon start sucking, too.
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I don’t know, but anyone under 19 wasn’t alive when USC won their title, so unsure how much sizzle he has anymore
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never underestimate Pete's adrenochrome injections
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Both dads were thoughSeven_Eleven said:I don’t know, but anyone under 19 wasn’t alive when USC won their title, so unsure how much sizzle he has anymore
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You’d do well over at the Tug Tavern.wooderson92 said:never underestimate Pete's adrenochrome injections
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Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
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younger coaches fizzle out too
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They may remember him winning a super bowl or being the head coach of an NFL team..... So there is that.Seven_Eleven said:I don’t know, but anyone under 19 wasn’t alive when USC won their title, so unsure how much sizzle he has anymore
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Old coach just GM and specific wheelhouse stuff
Old coach not do gameday play calling, small details, and high pressure time sensitive tasks
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I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the people who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, the Spurs were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster by adding Wemby. -
It’s all about the NFL with the kids.Postal91 said:
They may remember him winning a super bowl or being the head coach of an NFL team..... So there is that.Seven_Eleven said:I don’t know, but anyone under 19 wasn’t alive when USC won their title, so unsure how much sizzle he has anymore
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I still feel like an idiot for indulging this topic, but I don’t think there’s really a great comp here. Pete is Dennis Erickson with more success at both levels and no drinking problems.
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Well, now that you bring that up, Erickson sucked in his last job at ASU. I don't remember how old he was by then.DoogmanRefund said:I still feel like an idiot for indulging this topic, but I don’t think there’s really a great comp here. Pete is Dennis Erickson with more success at both levels and no drinking problems.
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Wtf are you talking about? Firecohen makes more fucking sense then this.Sandra6 said:
I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the ones who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, they were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster with Wemby. -
fucking hell some of the takes on PC on here are awful.
age.. the man acts way more like a 52 year old than a 72 year old. This isn't Biden (TITTT).
one of the best recruiters in the history of the Pac. No joke with that. Do a little Googling kids.
credibility. How many still coaching have major NFL cred and major ncaa power cred.
i do not think we will be lucky enough to land him... but holy fuck to think he wouldn't be an amazing hire is downright stupid. -
YRYKdirtysouwfdawg said:
Wtf are you talking about? Firecohen makes more fucking sense then this.Sandra6 said:
I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the ones who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, they were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster with Wemby. -
dirtysouwfdawg said:
Wtf are you talking about? Firecohen makes more fucking sense then this.Sandra6 said:
I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the ones who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, they were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster with Wemby.
I was responding to PatsDoog's claim that the Spurs roster sucks and that Popovich doesn't suck too. I was saying that the Spurs are now on about their 5th straight losing season, they keep getting worse and worse every year (even after adding Wemby before this year), and that even if the Spurs roster sucks that's largely Popovich's fault for not demanding a better roster. -
Erickson was P10 coach of the year in his first szn at ASU. But, yes, nosedived after that the next three years. I'd argue ASU is where coaching careers end, so not the best compSandra6 said:
Well, now that you bring that up, Erickson sucked in his last job at ASU. I don't remember how old he was by then.DoogmanRefund said:I still feel like an idiot for indulging this topic, but I don’t think there’s really a great comp here. Pete is Dennis Erickson with more success at both levels and no drinking problems.
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Football coaching is bizarre
We have coaches with zero experience getting millions of dollars and carte Blanche
Experience? Game has passed you by -
ERISKON WAZ DRIKIG COCKTIALS!!!!!!11!!
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I had a woke man child who went off on me in 2017 because I disagreed with one of his stupid, pandering woke statements.Sandra6 said:
I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the ones who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, they were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster with Wemby.
I remember the Slurs being really good from roughly 1999 to 2015 with admiral, the big three, Bowen, Kwahi Leonard, and some role guys. I don't care about today's woke NBA which is three guys waiting for three pointers and these skinny 6' 11" guys who think they're small forwards. There's zero post play. -
Inserting the word woke into that incoherent ramble was the kiss of death.Sandra6 said:dirtysouwfdawg said:
Wtf are you talking about? Firecohen makes more fucking sense then this.Sandra6 said:
I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the ones who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, they were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster with Wemby.
I was responding to PatsDoog's claim that the Spurs roster sucks and that Popovich doesn't suck too. I was saying that the Spurs are now on about their 5th straight losing season, they keep getting worse and worse every year (even after adding Wemby before this year), and that even if the Spurs roster sucks that's largely Popovich's fault for not demanding a better roster. -
peak boomer brain rambling by you twoFire_Marshall_Bill said:
I had a woke man child who went off on me in 2017 because I disagreed with one of his stupid, pandering woke statements.Sandra6 said:
I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the ones who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, they were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster with Wemby.
I remember the Slurs being really good from roughly 1999 to 2015 with admiral, the big three, Bowen, Kwahi Leonard, and some role guys. I don't care about today's woke NBA which is three guys waiting for three pointers and these skinny 6' 11" guys who think they're small forwards. There's zero post play. -
this thread went to shit in record time
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dirtysouwfdawg said:
Inserting the word woke into that incoherent ramble was the kiss of death.Sandra6 said:dirtysouwfdawg said:
Wtf are you talking about? Firecohen makes more fucking sense then this.Sandra6 said:
I've heard that about the Spurs roster, but I really can't imagine that a coach with 5 championships has zero say over what his roster is. If the roster sucks, I think that's largely Pop's fault, anyway.PatsDoog said:Pete still has it. Ill push back on Pop being washed on your list, too. That roster is horrid outside of Wemby.
Usually the "woke" people are the ones who defend who bad Pop is nowadays. I mean, they were tied for last place in the Western Conference last year, and their last winning season was about 5 years ago. And now they're somehow worse than ever after improving the roster with Wemby.
I was responding to PatsDoog's claim that the Spurs roster sucks and that Popovich doesn't suck too. I was saying that the Spurs are now on about their 5th straight losing season, they keep getting worse and worse every year (even after adding Wemby before this year), and that even if the Spurs roster sucks that's largely Popovich's fault for not demanding a better roster.
Popovich is famous for making woke statements. I think that the people who defend Popovich are woke people who agree with his political views. -
It's probably Leipold which is fine, dude has been impressive, 9 wins at Kansas vs 9 wins at Fresno is a shittier conference, but I want to know what their plan is going to be for the roster and recruiting.
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Joe Gibbs took 12 years off the from football and came back to the worst franchise in the league. He made the franchise better in his 4 years (2 playoff appearance). It’s still the last playoff game they’ve won.
Paterno had some very bad seasons as he aged but he still had some excellent seasons. They were 8-1 when he was fired. Below is basically starting at age 69:
Bottom line: all-time great coaches can always coach, up until they physically or mentally lose it. -
haie said:
It's probably Leipold which is fine, dude has been impressive, 9 wins at Kansas vs 9 wins at Fresno is a shittier conference, but I want to know what their plan is going to be for the roster and recruiting.
Yeah, people keep forgetting that Deboer's relevant resume was a 12-6 record in just 2 years at an MWC school. (And lol if you cared about his record more than a decade earlier in the even shittier NAIA.) His resume didn't exactly seem to be the greatest of all time when he was hired.
I actually think Leipold has a better pre-hiring resume than DeBoer did. -
whlinder said:
Joe Gibbs took 12 years off the from football and came back to the worst franchise in the league. He made the franchise better in his 4 years (2 playoff appearance). It’s still the last playoff game they’ve won.
Paterno had some very bad seasons as he aged but he still had some excellent seasons. They were 8-1 when he was fired. Below is basically starting at age 69:
Bottom line: all-time great coaches can always coach, up until they physically or mentally lose it.
Oh, God, did you seriously mention Joe Gibbs as a counterexample? He was 30-34 in his second stint. Before Belichick, he was considered the ultimate example of an NFL coach who damaged his reputation by coaching when he was too old. Yeah, he was better than Spurrier's 12-20 record- what a great achievement.
It's not much of a secret that Penn State suffered 4 losing seasons in 5 years from 2000-04 because Paterno was actually trying to coach the team, and PSU did okayish from 2005-11 because PSU forced Paterno to become a do nothing figurehead while the assistants ran the team.
