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Some Numbers and Observations
RoadDawg55
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Jake Locker in 2010:
Nebraska: 4-20, 71 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (one pick 6). Team Rushing: 39 for 175, 4.5, 2 TD
Stanford: 7-14, 64 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 25 for 19, 0.8, 0 TD- The worst offensive showing post 2008 I have witnessed.
UCLA: 10-21, 68 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT. Team Rushing: 41 for 253, 6.2, 2 TD
Nebraska: 5-16, 56 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 52 for 268, 5.2, 2 TD
Keith Price in 2011:
Oregon: 24-35, 143 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 36 for 82, 2.3, 0 TD
2012:
Stanford: 19-37, 177 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (pick 6). Team Rushing: 34 for 136, 4.0, 1 TD
Oregon: 19-31, 145 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT (1 pick 6). Team Rushing: 46 for 208, 4.5, 3 TD
Cyler Miles 2014:
Stanford: 15-29, 98 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 38 for 81, 2.3, 0 TD
MILES SUCKED. Some of the statements being thrown out about that being the worst QB play since Paus and Fouch are huge overreactions. For one, he didn't lose the game by turning the ball over. That's about the only good thing you can say about his performance, but as bad as the offense was, there was an opportunity to win the game. Ross' kickoff return, the missed extra point, and the fake punt were all huge plays and each could have made a huge difference in the outcome.
What we got from him was basically par the course of what we have gotten out of QB's against very good to great defenses. It speaks volumes about the program and where it has been. Locker had 4 games his senior season that were worse than Miles against Stanford. Price had some shitty games too, and they happened to be against the stiffest (lol) competition. Both were better than Miles (at least so far), but Bishop Sankey and Chris Polk help a QB out a lot more than Coleman and Dwayne Washington. The Stanford game really shouldn't have told us anything we didn't already know. Miles isn't good enough to win without a strong running game. We need to run well in order to be effective on offense. Miles is not beating you by himself.
I have also read posts stating that Miles' inability to pass was why we couldn't run. There might be a tiny but of truth to that. Obviously throwing the ball well should help open running lanes, but there are lots of teams that can't pass, but still run the ball well. Have you ever watched Wisconsin? They haven't had a QB since Russell Wilson and yet they still run it great every year. Look at some of Locker's games. We couldn't pass at all in some of those, but Polk still had big games. Same with Price and Sankey. Good teams still find a way to get yards even when the other team stacks the box. It is inexcusable to be that bad running the ball with a veteran OL. I'm not completely against a change at QB, especially if we muck it up against Cal, but it's a lazy blanket statement to say Miles was the problem. He was a problem, not the problem.
Nebraska: 4-20, 71 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (one pick 6). Team Rushing: 39 for 175, 4.5, 2 TD
Stanford: 7-14, 64 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 25 for 19, 0.8, 0 TD- The worst offensive showing post 2008 I have witnessed.
UCLA: 10-21, 68 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT. Team Rushing: 41 for 253, 6.2, 2 TD
Nebraska: 5-16, 56 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 52 for 268, 5.2, 2 TD
Keith Price in 2011:
Oregon: 24-35, 143 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 36 for 82, 2.3, 0 TD
2012:
Stanford: 19-37, 177 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (pick 6). Team Rushing: 34 for 136, 4.0, 1 TD
Oregon: 19-31, 145 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT (1 pick 6). Team Rushing: 46 for 208, 4.5, 3 TD
Cyler Miles 2014:
Stanford: 15-29, 98 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 38 for 81, 2.3, 0 TD
MILES SUCKED. Some of the statements being thrown out about that being the worst QB play since Paus and Fouch are huge overreactions. For one, he didn't lose the game by turning the ball over. That's about the only good thing you can say about his performance, but as bad as the offense was, there was an opportunity to win the game. Ross' kickoff return, the missed extra point, and the fake punt were all huge plays and each could have made a huge difference in the outcome.
What we got from him was basically par the course of what we have gotten out of QB's against very good to great defenses. It speaks volumes about the program and where it has been. Locker had 4 games his senior season that were worse than Miles against Stanford. Price had some shitty games too, and they happened to be against the stiffest (lol) competition. Both were better than Miles (at least so far), but Bishop Sankey and Chris Polk help a QB out a lot more than Coleman and Dwayne Washington. The Stanford game really shouldn't have told us anything we didn't already know. Miles isn't good enough to win without a strong running game. We need to run well in order to be effective on offense. Miles is not beating you by himself.
I have also read posts stating that Miles' inability to pass was why we couldn't run. There might be a tiny but of truth to that. Obviously throwing the ball well should help open running lanes, but there are lots of teams that can't pass, but still run the ball well. Have you ever watched Wisconsin? They haven't had a QB since Russell Wilson and yet they still run it great every year. Look at some of Locker's games. We couldn't pass at all in some of those, but Polk still had big games. Same with Price and Sankey. Good teams still find a way to get yards even when the other team stacks the box. It is inexcusable to be that bad running the ball with a veteran OL. I'm not completely against a change at QB, especially if we muck it up against Cal, but it's a lazy blanket statement to say Miles was the problem. He was a problem, not the problem.
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I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE
Miles didn't see wide open receivers on a number of occasions. That's what frustrated me about his performance.
Millen was unbeaten in 84 despite being horrible. Special teams and defense. UW had like three first downs against Oregon and won on a punt return
I was shocked. Seems like everyone but Stanford was surprised.
But people forget that we would have fired Don James numerous times in his career
If Millen hadn't of been a C- QB, they would have won the National Championship...no doubt in my mind.