Some Numbers and Observations
Nebraska: 4-20, 71 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (one pick 6). Team Rushing: 39 for 175, 4.5, 2 TD
Stanford: 7-14, 64 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 25 for 19, 0.8, 0 TD- The worst offensive showing post 2008 I have witnessed.
UCLA: 10-21, 68 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT. Team Rushing: 41 for 253, 6.2, 2 TD
Nebraska: 5-16, 56 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 52 for 268, 5.2, 2 TD
Keith Price in 2011:
Oregon: 24-35, 143 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 36 for 82, 2.3, 0 TD
2012:
Stanford: 19-37, 177 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (pick 6). Team Rushing: 34 for 136, 4.0, 1 TD
Oregon: 19-31, 145 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT (1 pick 6). Team Rushing: 46 for 208, 4.5, 3 TD
Cyler Miles 2014:
Stanford: 15-29, 98 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 38 for 81, 2.3, 0 TD
MILES SUCKED. Some of the statements being thrown out about that being the worst QB play since Paus and Fouch are huge overreactions. For one, he didn't lose the game by turning the ball over. That's about the only good thing you can say about his performance, but as bad as the offense was, there was an opportunity to win the game. Ross' kickoff return, the missed extra point, and the fake punt were all huge plays and each could have made a huge difference in the outcome.
What we got from him was basically par the course of what we have gotten out of QB's against very good to great defenses. It speaks volumes about the program and where it has been. Locker had 4 games his senior season that were worse than Miles against Stanford. Price had some shitty games too, and they happened to be against the stiffest (lol) competition. Both were better than Miles (at least so far), but Bishop Sankey and Chris Polk help a QB out a lot more than Coleman and Dwayne Washington. The Stanford game really shouldn't have told us anything we didn't already know. Miles isn't good enough to win without a strong running game. We need to run well in order to be effective on offense. Miles is not beating you by himself.
I have also read posts stating that Miles' inability to pass was why we couldn't run. There might be a tiny but of truth to that. Obviously throwing the ball well should help open running lanes, but there are lots of teams that can't pass, but still run the ball well. Have you ever watched Wisconsin? They haven't had a QB since Russell Wilson and yet they still run it great every year. Look at some of Locker's games. We couldn't pass at all in some of those, but Polk still had big games. Same with Price and Sankey. Good teams still find a way to get yards even when the other team stacks the box. It is inexcusable to be that bad running the ball with a veteran OL. I'm not completely against a change at QB, especially if we muck it up against Cal, but it's a lazy blanket statement to say Miles was the problem. He was a problem, not the problem.
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Thanks for going all scholarly. That's an entire Alki stroll worth of perspective.
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You talking from Salty's to the light house or all the way around to Lincoln park?GrundleStiltzkin said:Thanks for going all scholarly. That's an entire Alki stroll worth of perspective.
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So you're saying 5-4? I think we're on the same page.
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I see that Jake never attempted more than 21 passes in any of those game, which is a number to shoot for with Miles. 29-30 throws is way too much right now.
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Is that 10in10 Heisman website still up?
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sa.linkedin.com/pub/jack-josef-wyss-lockner/3b/37a/3a7 Axe him yourself.DerekJohnson said:Is that 10in10 Heisman website still up?
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Someone has an agenda.
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Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game. -
Fucking agreeRoadDawg55 said:Jake Locker in 2010:
Nebraska: 4-20, 71 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (one pick 6). Team Rushing: 39 for 175, 4.5, 2 TD
Stanford: 7-14, 64 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 25 for 19, 0.8, 0 TD- The worst offensive showing post 2008 I have witnessed.
UCLA: 10-21, 68 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT. Team Rushing: 41 for 253, 6.2, 2 TD
Nebraska: 5-16, 56 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 52 for 268, 5.2, 2 TD
Keith Price in 2011:
Oregon: 24-35, 143 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT. Team Rushing: 36 for 82, 2.3, 0 TD
2012:
Stanford: 19-37, 177 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (pick 6). Team Rushing: 34 for 136, 4.0, 1 TD
Oregon: 19-31, 145 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT (1 pick 6). Team Rushing: 46 for 208, 4.5, 3 TD
Cyler Miles 2014:
Stanford: 15-29, 98 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT. Team Rushing: 38 for 81, 2.3, 0 TD
MILES SUCKED. Some of the statements being thrown out about that being the worst QB play since Paus and Fouch are huge overreactions. For one, he didn't lose the game by turning the ball over. That's about the only good thing you can say about his performance, but as bad as the offense was, there was an opportunity to win the game. Ross' kickoff return, the missed extra point, and the fake punt were all huge plays and each could have made a huge difference in the outcome.
What we got from him was basically par the course of what we have gotten out of QB's against very good to great defenses. It speaks volumes about the program and where it has been. Locker had 4 games his senior season that were worse than Miles against Stanford. Price had some shitty games too, and they happened to be against the stiffest (lol) competition. Both were better than Miles (at least so far), but Bishop Sankey and Chris Polk help a QB out a lot more than Coleman and Dwayne Washington. The Stanford game really shouldn't have told us anything we didn't already know. Miles isn't good enough to win without a strong running game. We need to run well in order to be effective on offense. Miles is not beating you by himself.
I have also read posts stating that Miles' inability to pass was why we couldn't run. There might be a tiny but of truth to that. Obviously throwing the ball well should help open running lanes, but there are lots of teams that can't pass, but still run the ball well. Have you ever watched Wisconsin? They haven't had a QB since Russell Wilson and yet they still run it great every year. Look at some of Locker's games. We couldn't pass at all in some of those, but Polk still had big games. Same with Price and Sankey. Good teams still find a way to get yards even when the other team stacks the box. It is inexcusable to be that bad running the ball with a veteran OL. I'm not completely against a change at QB, especially if we muck it up against Cal, but it's a lazy blanket statement to say Miles was the problem. He was a problem, not the problem. -
I agree...the issue is the Oline is still shitty and two of the best running backs in husky history are gone. Polk and Sankey where able to make plays despite the Oline, they were that good. Coleman and Washington types are on every team in the conference. They are average. To think that UW will come out and establish a consistent running game, taking the pressure off Miles and allowing him to be effective is certainly not a given.TTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
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Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game. -
Question for Gramps (ILTCHGIWILTD)?RaceBannon said:
Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE -
TL, did RRoadDawg55 said:
MILES SUCKED. Some of the statements being thrown out about that being the worst QB play since Paus and Fouch are huge overreactions. For one, he didn't lose the game by turning the ball over. That's about the only good thing you can say about his performance, but as bad as the offense was, there was an opportunity to win the game. Ross' kickoff return, the missed extra point, and the fake punt were all huge plays and each could have made a huge difference in the outcome.
What we got from him was basically par the course of what we have gotten out of QB's against very good to great defenses. It speaks volumes about the program and where it has been. Locker had 4 games his senior season that were worse than Miles against Stanford. Price had some shitty games too, and they happened to be against the stiffest (lol) competition. Both were better than Miles (at least so far), but Bishop Sankey and Chris Polk help a QB out a lot more than Coleman and Dwayne Washington. The Stanford game really shouldn't have told us anything we didn't already know. Miles isn't good enough to win without a strong running game. We need to run well in order to be effective on offense. Miles is not beating you by himself.
I have also read posts stating that Miles' inability to pass was why we couldn't run. There might be a tiny but of truth to that. Obviously throwing the ball well should help open running lanes, but there are lots of teams that can't pass, but still run the ball well. Have you ever watched Wisconsin? They haven't had a QB since Russell Wilson and yet they still run it great every year. Look at some of Locker's games. We couldn't pass at all in some of those, but Polk still had big games. Same with Price and Sankey. Good teams still find a way to get yards even when the other team stacks the box. It is inexcusable to be that bad running the ball with a veteran OL. I'm not completely against a change at QB, especially if we muck it up against Cal, but it's a lazy blanket statement to say Miles was the problem. He was a problem, not the problem.
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what concerned me about Miles that I didn't see with Locker or Price was the tendency to lose 10+ yards on sacks with such frequency...maybe it was the $4 wine clouding my vision, but I saw Miles marching us backwards far too often.
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James finally benched Millen before the USC game and we lost a very frustrating game. Millen came off the bench in the Orange Bowl to lead the Huskies to a comeback winDisciple_2_Hole said:
Question for Gramps (ILTCHGIWILTD)?RaceBannon said:
Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE
Millen was unbeaten in 84 despite being horrible. Special teams and defense. UW had like three first downs against Oregon and won on a punt return -
This scenario is what made the fake punt so baffling, felt like that kind of game. It's easier to stomach getting pushed back on a final drive then to panic and throw away the percentages, which is what made James so good (allegedly, too young).RaceBannon said:
James finally benched Millen before the USC game and we lost a very frustrating game. Millen came off the bench in the Orange Bowl to lead the Huskies to a comeback winDisciple_2_Hole said:
Question for Gramps (ILTCHGIWILTD)?RaceBannon said:
Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE
Millen was unbeaten in 84 despite being horrible. Special teams and defense. UW had like three first downs against Oregon and won on a punt return -
James would gamble when he had he lesser team and would lose some of them. Nobody hits them all. I agree that it seems like Petermen panicked and lost faith in his team. Not that they deserved a lot of faith.
I was shocked. Seems like everyone but Stanford was surprised.
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Millen was the weakest link on the team. Purple Reign Defense, Jacque Robinson, Ron, Jackson, Mo Hill.RaceBannon said:
James finally benched Millen before the USC game and we lost a very frustrating game. Millen came off the bench in the Orange Bowl to lead the Huskies to a comeback winDisciple_2_Hole said:
Question for Gramps (ILTCHGIWILTD)?RaceBannon said:
Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE
Millen was unbeaten in 84 despite being horrible. Special teams and defense. UW had like three first downs against Oregon and won on a punt return
If Millen hadn't of been a C- QB, they would have won the National Championship...no doubt in my mind. -
Agree. He bailed and ran left or right too many times. He needs to step up in the pocket or take off and try to get a couple yards up field. There were too many plays where he took any threat of positive yardage out by running perpendicular to the sideline. Price was not typically good against pressure either. His pocket presence was his weakness. He took off right and threw it in the stands all the time.Meek said:what concerned me about Miles that I didn't see with Locker or Price was the tendency to lose 10+ yards on sacks with such frequency...maybe it was the $4 wine clouding my vision, but I saw Miles marching us backwards far too often.
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Story time with Race is my new favorite segment on the bored, I had a severe case of the crud in the fall of 84. A guy I played HS ball with was a RF OL on the team and I become a true daWg fan watching the 85 0B. At 18 (fall 84), attempting to race pro motocross my back up plan was UW and I can thank James for my desire to attend UW.
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The run game stats are really skewed. We can say 38 for 81, but sacks affect that. Miles because of the sacks was 14 for 1 which means the run game was 24 for 80. That is 3.33 yards per carry. Not good but against Stanford in a tight game thats still well over 3 yards a carry.
Coleman had 14 carries for 58 yards. He actually had a good game. He had 10 carries for 54 yards after the first minutes of the 3rd quarter. Then he only got 4 carries the rest of the game. He was running well and it was a very close game that should have meant more carries.
Miles only threw 10 passes in the first half. In the second half I counted 33 plays where he threw, was sacked or ran. Thats 19 passes plus 14 plays where he was either sacked, escaped pressure to gain yards or a designed run. Even you take away the last two series when we needed 7, there were 21 of those plays with Miles running, throwing or being sacked. 21 in a quarter in a half. -
We still got fucked not winning, all the talk prior to the Orange Bowl was OU wins the NC if they win and the polls gave the NC to Boise Fucking State aka BYfuckingU. Total BS and I have hated those boofs since. Don't even get me started...FUCKMikeDamone said:
Millen was the weakest link on the team. Purple Reign Defense, Jacque Robinson, Ron, Jackson, Mo Hill.RaceBannon said:
James finally benched Millen before the USC game and we lost a very frustrating game. Millen came off the bench in the Orange Bowl to lead the Huskies to a comeback winDisciple_2_Hole said:
Question for Gramps (ILTCHGIWILTD)?RaceBannon said:
Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE
Millen was unbeaten in 84 despite being horrible. Special teams and defense. UW had like three first downs against Oregon and won on a punt return
If Millen hadn't of been a C- QB, they would have won the National Championship...no doubt in my mind.
Oh and the 84 Michigan team BYU beat sucked, I'm guessing Hoke was on the team. BYU beat nobody and the purple reign curbs stomps that WAC ala big sky team. Fuck
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BYU really is the worst school in the nationDisciple_2_Hole said:
We still got fucked not winning, all the talk prior to the Orange Bowl was OU wins the NC if they win and the polls gave the NC to Boise Fucking State aka BYfuckingU. Total BS and I have hated those boofs since. Don't even get me started...FUCKMikeDamone said:
Millen was the weakest link on the team. Purple Reign Defense, Jacque Robinson, Ron, Jackson, Mo Hill.RaceBannon said:
James finally benched Millen before the USC game and we lost a very frustrating game. Millen came off the bench in the Orange Bowl to lead the Huskies to a comeback winDisciple_2_Hole said:
Question for Gramps (ILTCHGIWILTD)?RaceBannon said:
Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE
Millen was unbeaten in 84 despite being horrible. Special teams and defense. UW had like three first downs against Oregon and won on a punt return
If Millen hadn't of been a C- QB, they would have won the National Championship...no doubt in my mind.
Oh and the 84 Michigan team BYU beat sucked, I'm guessing Hoke was on the team. BYU beat nobody and the purple reign curbs stomps that WAC ala big sky team. Fuck
I need a walk now or find 7/11
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UW beat that Michigan team at Michigan in 84Disciple_2_Hole said:
We still got fucked not winning, all the talk prior to the Orange Bowl was OU wins the NC if they win and the polls gave the NC to Boise Fucking State aka BYfuckingU. Total BS and I have hated those boofs since. Don't even get me started...FUCKMikeDamone said:
Millen was the weakest link on the team. Purple Reign Defense, Jacque Robinson, Ron, Jackson, Mo Hill.RaceBannon said:
James finally benched Millen before the USC game and we lost a very frustrating game. Millen came off the bench in the Orange Bowl to lead the Huskies to a comeback winDisciple_2_Hole said:
Question for Gramps (ILTCHGIWILTD)?RaceBannon said:
Miley >>>>> MIllenTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game.
It's been 30 years but we lost one game to SC in 84 and won the Orange Bowl right? I don't remember oregon back then but I do remember getting screwed when BYwho won the natty. Yes I'm still angry, FYFMFE
Millen was unbeaten in 84 despite being horrible. Special teams and defense. UW had like three first downs against Oregon and won on a punt return
If Millen hadn't of been a C- QB, they would have won the National Championship...no doubt in my mind.
Oh and the 84 Michigan team BYU beat sucked, I'm guessing Hoke was on the team. BYU beat nobody and the purple reign curbs stomps that WAC ala big sky team. Fuck
I need a walk now or find 7/11 -
Something to legitimately bash Hugh for...the KKK thing is tedious and a leapTTJ said:Great work. Thanks for putting this together. Selective memories are expected at dm.c. Here? Not so much.
I firmly believe Miles can be a proficient, successful QB in a run-first offense. But on the (hopefully rare) occasion when the running game gets completely shut down, things will get ugly.
Youngsters should ask Grandpa Race about the '84 Oregon game. -
I get the attempt at the comparison and the numbers are the numbers ...
The biggest difference between Locker/Price and Miles is that while Locker/Price threw up a few stinkers, they also have a resume that shows that they can be QBs that you can win games with. Miles has yet to show that as a starter (only as a backup) and his performance now through 4 games is beginning to lead you to concluding that it's unlikely that he'll ever make the leap to being an upper half QB in the conference.
He's probably the best QB that we have on the roster right now - although if this continues I do want to see Troy Williams at least get a chance this year to see whether he is or isn't part of the solution.
From what I'm seeing right now, I would have to think that barring a significant change that there's a really good chance that you'll be seeing Carta-Samuels or Browning as the QB next year IF Williams really isn't any better than Miles or Lindquist. Miles is going to have to start showing something here shortly. Unquestionably his best game so far was against Illinois where he went 15 of 20 for 191. But if you take away the Ross 75 yard TD, you're looking at 14 of 19 for 116 (which is 6 yards per attempt with a high completion percentage).
Personally, I don't think you can win games against the upper half of the conference without the ability to at minimum push the ball down the field in an intermediate passing game. There are way too many future NFL players in the conference (particularly in the top half of it) and if you watch ANY NFL game, you'll notice that a QB that can't push the ball down the field not only has little chance to be successful, but also dooms the running game. -
Good pts. Road. I think what people get jittery over is the fact that Miles is really an unknown at this point. In most of the games that were referenced, Locker and Price had proven they could be competent to a point in a somewhat large sample size. We had a pretty weak big 10 team and patsies ( yes E. Washington is a really good FCS team... We still should have beaten them by at least 14 points, more like three or four touchdowns).
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The problem with this thinking is this isn't the NFL. The SEC has more future NFL players than the Pac 12 and Auburn won the conference and went to the title game last year. Nick Marshall isn't a good passer. LSU went to the title game with Jarrett Lee and Jefferson at QB. There are many other example of teams with mediocre to suspect passers to prove your point wrong.Tequilla said:I get the attempt at the comparison and the numbers are the numbers ...
The biggest difference between Locker/Price and Miles is that while Locker/Price threw up a few stinkers, they also have a resume that shows that they can be QBs that you can win games with. Miles has yet to show that as a starter (only as a backup) and his performance now through 4 games is beginning to lead you to concluding that it's unlikely that he'll ever make the leap to being an upper half QB in the conference.
He's probably the best QB that we have on the roster right now - although if this continues I do want to see Troy Williams at least get a chance this year to see whether he is or isn't part of the solution.
From what I'm seeing right now, I would have to think that barring a significant change that there's a really good chance that you'll be seeing Carta-Samuels or Browning as the QB next year IF Williams really isn't any better than Miles or Lindquist. Miles is going to have to start showing something here shortly. Unquestionably his best game so far was against Illinois where he went 15 of 20 for 191. But if you take away the Ross 75 yard TD, you're looking at 14 of 19 for 116 (which is 6 yards per attempt with a high completion percentage).
Personally, I don't think you can win games against the upper half of the conference without the ability to at minimum push the ball down the field in an intermediate passing game. There are way too many future NFL players in the conference (particularly in the top half of it) and if you watch ANY NFL game, you'll notice that a QB that can't push the ball down the field not only has little chance to be successful, but also dooms the running game. -
I get your point ... I really do. But you are now using examples that make me question whether or not you're understanding your point. Consider the following:RoadDawg55 said:
The problem with this thinking is this isn't the NFL. The SEC has more future NFL players than the Pac 12 and Auburn won the conference and went to the title game last year. Nick Marshall isn't a good passer. LSU went to the title game with Jarrett Lee and Jefferson at QB. There are many other example of teams with mediocre to suspect passers to prove your point wrong.Tequilla said:I get the attempt at the comparison and the numbers are the numbers ...
The biggest difference between Locker/Price and Miles is that while Locker/Price threw up a few stinkers, they also have a resume that shows that they can be QBs that you can win games with. Miles has yet to show that as a starter (only as a backup) and his performance now through 4 games is beginning to lead you to concluding that it's unlikely that he'll ever make the leap to being an upper half QB in the conference.
He's probably the best QB that we have on the roster right now - although if this continues I do want to see Troy Williams at least get a chance this year to see whether he is or isn't part of the solution.
From what I'm seeing right now, I would have to think that barring a significant change that there's a really good chance that you'll be seeing Carta-Samuels or Browning as the QB next year IF Williams really isn't any better than Miles or Lindquist. Miles is going to have to start showing something here shortly. Unquestionably his best game so far was against Illinois where he went 15 of 20 for 191. But if you take away the Ross 75 yard TD, you're looking at 14 of 19 for 116 (which is 6 yards per attempt with a high completion percentage).
Personally, I don't think you can win games against the upper half of the conference without the ability to at minimum push the ball down the field in an intermediate passing game. There are way too many future NFL players in the conference (particularly in the top half of it) and if you watch ANY NFL game, you'll notice that a QB that can't push the ball down the field not only has little chance to be successful, but also dooms the running game.
1) I'm not huge on looking at completion % because you can be checkdown Charlie Whitehurst and create a nice % for yourself without doing anything. So far this year, Marshall is averaging 7.5 yards per attempt; Miles is averaging 6.2. Last year, Marshall averaged 8.3 yards per attempt. That's a huge difference.
Moreover, the biggest problem with the analogy is that forget about their ability to throw for a second (which I do think it's fairly reasonable to say that Marshall is at least somewhat better but clearly not a dynamite downfield passer). The difference in their ability to run is night and day different. Marshall had over 1000 yards on the ground last year and averaged 6.2 yards per carry. This year he's averaging 6.5 yards per carry. Miles is averaging 2.7 yards per carry. Marshall's a threat to take it to the house everytime he runs. Miles' long is 19 this year.
At this point, do you see teams dramatically concerned about Miles' ability as a runner to the point that they are dedicating extra resources to stop him from running? Because I can promise you that watching an Auburn game you can definitely see that.
2) It's easy to take shots at Lee and Jefferson and I'd definitely concede that they weren't high caliber college QBs. But they were serviceable. Lee 62% of his passes at 7.8 yards per attempt in 2011. Jefferson at 61% and 7.4 yards per attempt. Both dramatically better than what we are seeing from Miles right now.
But the biggest difference between Lee/Jefferson and Miles is the fact that the surrounding talent around those guys helped to make them elite. If you put an average player around great talent, you have the ability to get better results out of them. If you put an average player with average talent, you aren't going to get much. And make no mistake, the talent on the 2014 Huskies isn't that of 2011 LSU. However, we have seen time and time again the impact that a truly great player can have on the team around him - particularly at the QB position.
The problem you have to look at is whether or not Miles is a great QB or even has the ability to get to that level? Because let's face it, the talent at Washington isn't going to magically get to that elite level in the next 2, 4, or 6 weeks.
There are a lot of red flags with Miles that indicate to me that his odds of being an above average QB at the UW are decreasing by the start. Yes, the players around him need to be better. But at the same time, the question that you need to be asking is whether Miles is the solution at the position instead of pointing to others and saying that he's not part of the problem. -
Proverbs 1Tequilla said:
I get your point ... I really do. But you are now using examples that make me question whether or not you're understanding your point. Consider the following:RoadDawg55 said:
The problem with this thinking is this isn't the NFL. The SEC has more future NFL players than the Pac 12 and Auburn won the conference and went to the title game last year. Nick Marshall isn't a good passer. LSU went to the title game with Jarrett Lee and Jefferson at QB. There are many other example of teams with mediocre to suspect passers to prove your point wrong.Tequilla said:I get the attempt at the comparison and the numbers are the numbers ...
The biggest difference between Locker/Price and Miles is that while Locker/Price threw up a few stinkers, they also have a resume that shows that they can be QBs that you can win games with. Miles has yet to show that as a starter (only as a backup) and his performance now through 4 games is beginning to lead you to concluding that it's unlikely that he'll ever make the leap to being an upper half QB in the conference.
He's probably the best QB that we have on the roster right now - although if this continues I do want to see Troy Williams at least get a chance this year to see whether he is or isn't part of the solution.
From what I'm seeing right now, I would have to think that barring a significant change that there's a really good chance that you'll be seeing Carta-Samuels or Browning as the QB next year IF Williams really isn't any better than Miles or Lindquist. Miles is going to have to start showing something here shortly. Unquestionably his best game so far was against Illinois where he went 15 of 20 for 191. But if you take away the Ross 75 yard TD, you're looking at 14 of 19 for 116 (which is 6 yards per attempt with a high completion percentage).
Personally, I don't think you can win games against the upper half of the conference without the ability to at minimum push the ball down the field in an intermediate passing game. There are way too many future NFL players in the conference (particularly in the top half of it) and if you watch ANY NFL game, you'll notice that a QB that can't push the ball down the field not only has little chance to be successful, but also dooms the running game.
1) I'm not huge on looking at completion % because you can be checkdown Charlie Whitehurst and create a nice % for yourself without doing anything. So far this year, Marshall is averaging 7.5 yards per attempt; Miles is averaging 6.2. Last year, Marshall averaged 8.3 yards per attempt. That's a huge difference.
Moreover, the biggest problem with the analogy is that forget about their ability to throw for a second (which I do think it's fairly reasonable to say that Marshall is at least somewhat better but clearly not a dynamite downfield passer). The difference in their ability to run is night and day different. Marshall had over 1000 yards on the ground last year and averaged 6.2 yards per carry. This year he's averaging 6.5 yards per carry. Miles is averaging 2.7 yards per carry. Marshall's a threat to take it to the house everytime he runs. Miles' long is 19 this year.
At this point, do you see teams dramatically concerned about Miles' ability as a runner to the point that they are dedicating extra resources to stop him from running? Because I can promise you that watching an Auburn game you can definitely see that.
2) It's easy to take shots at Lee and Jefferson and I'd definitely concede that they weren't high caliber college QBs. But they were serviceable. Lee 62% of his passes at 7.8 yards per attempt in 2011. Jefferson at 61% and 7.4 yards per attempt. Both dramatically better than what we are seeing from Miles right now.
But the biggest difference between Lee/Jefferson and Miles is the fact that the surrounding talent around those guys helped to make them elite. If you put an average player around great talent, you have the ability to get better results out of them. If you put an average player with average talent, you aren't going to get much. And make no mistake, the talent on the 2014 Huskies isn't that of 2011 LSU. However, we have seen time and time again the impact that a truly great player can have on the team around him - particularly at the QB position.
The problem you have to look at is whether or not Miles is a great QB or even has the ability to get to that level? Because let's face it, the talent at Washington isn't going to magically get to that elite level in the next 2, 4, or 6 weeks.
There are a lot of red flags with Miles that indicate to me that his odds of being an above average QB at the UW are decreasing by the start. Yes, the players around him need to be better. But at the same time, the question that you need to be asking is whether Miles is the solution at the position instead of pointing to others and saying that he's not part of the problem.
Proverbs 1 New International Version (NIV)
Purpose and Theme
1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
2 for gaining wisdom and instruction;
for understanding words of insight;
3 for receiving instruction in prudent behavior,
doing what is right and just and fair;
4 for giving prudence to those who are simple,[a]
knowledge and discretion to the young—
5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.[b]
7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools[c] despise wisdom and instruction.
Prologue: Exhortations to Embrace Wisdom
Warning Against the Invitation of Sinful Men
8 Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction
and do not forsake your mother’s teaching.
9 They are a garland to grace your head
and a chain to adorn your neck.
10 My son, if sinful men entice you,
do not give in to them.
11 If they say, “Come along with us;
let’s lie in wait for innocent blood,
let’s ambush some harmless soul;
12 let’s swallow them alive, like the grave,
and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we will get all sorts of valuable things
and fill our houses with plunder;
14 cast lots with us;
we will all share the loot”—
15 my son, do not go along with them,
do not set foot on their paths;
16 for their feet rush into evil,
they are swift to shed blood.
17 How useless to spread a net
where every bird can see it!
18 These men lie in wait for their own blood;
they ambush only themselves!
19 Such are the paths of all who go after ill-gotten gain;
it takes away the life of those who get it.
Wisdom’s Rebuke
20 Out in the open wisdom calls aloud,
she raises her voice in the public square;
21 on top of the wall[d] she cries out,
at the city gate she makes her speech:
22 “How long will you who are simple love your simple ways?
How long will mockers delight in mockery
and fools hate knowledge?
23 Repent at my rebuke!
Then I will pour out my thoughts to you,
I will make known to you my teachings.
24 But since you refuse to listen when I call
and no one pays attention when I stretch out my hand,
25 since you disregard all my advice
and do not accept my rebuke,
26 I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes you;
I will mock when calamity overtakes you—
27 when calamity overtakes you like a storm,
when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind,
when distress and trouble overwhelm you.
28 “Then they will call to me but I will not answer;
they will look for me but will not find me,
29 since they hated knowledge
and did not choose to fear the Lord.
30 Since they would not accept my advice
and spurned my rebuke,
31 they will eat the fruit of their ways
and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,
and the complacency of fools will destroy them;
33 but whoever listens to me will live in safety
and be at ease, without fear of harm.”
Footnotes:
Proverbs 1:4 The Hebrew word rendered simple in Proverbs denotes a person who is gullible, without moral direction and inclined to evil.
Proverbs 1:6 Or understanding a proverb, namely, a parable, / and the sayings of the wise, their riddles
Proverbs 1:7 The Hebrew words rendered fool in Proverbs, and often elsewhere in the Old Testament, denote a person who is morally deficient.
Proverbs 1:21 Septuagint; Hebrew / at noisy street corners
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