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Fucking hippy.RaceBannon said:Once you realize that the CIA and NATO don't ever want anyone to win a war again this stuff makes more sense. Cold war era spy novels were filled with the CIA and KGB making side deals to keep order even if it took some disorder to do it. Vietnam begat Afghanistan which begat Afghanistan again which begat Iraq. Serbia was in there as well. Now its Ukraine and Eastern Europe again
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more
Nah, but we aren't so different you and I, unlike most of the Tug I opposed those wars(that I was alive for).
Trump smoking Solimani and talking shit is 100% one of my favorite examples of how the US should have a fuck around and find out policy without the need to get entangled in foreign wars.
We also mopped Wagner during that era and had war games in the South China Sea. America First and isolationism aren't the same thing. -
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah they need to contribute more.Bob_C said:
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.Bob_C said:
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah they need to contribute more.Bob_C said:
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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You don't think protecting the American border isn't our top priority? And supporting tying Ukraine aid to border security isn't the same as a line in the sand with no Ukraine aid unless real border security reform is required. We do have scarce resources, everyone does. Budget priorities will always occur. Currently, all our real border costs are supporting the budget priority of open borders. Open borders are costing more than the $100 billion that the dementia patient and the dems and their allies want for Ukraine.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I don't. Any other questions?WestlinnDuck said:
Well, I'll agree that securing our border is our first international priority. And that includes not outsourcing our manufacturing base to China and allowing them to bring massive amounts of fentanyl into our country. Toss in ceding to them control of the world's strategic metal and mineral production because the dems and their allies think that if the chicoms are using little kids to hand grub out cobalt in the Congo instead of US companies using clean mining techniques that this virtue signaling makes us morally superior. Then on to pharmaceuticals and the failure to hold the chicoms to intellectual property protection for our technology. So, using scarce resources to secure the Ukraine border instead of using them to protect our border and actually deal in the real world with the chicoms doesn't seem to make you a big ChYna hawk. Schumer and McConnell could give a sh*t about securing our border. Neither did "I have a plan" McCarthy and his RINO/dem allies. If you think we should secure the Ukraine border and our border at the same time, at least make the dems make that choice. Right now, that's what Johnson is arguing with not a lot of vocal support from our other ostensible republican leaders and none on the dem side.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.Sledog said:Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
And ftr you can go check, I was FOR tying Ukraine aid to border funding.
Seriously, have half of you even read this fucking thread?
At least @Bob_C @RaceBannon and I can have a fucking conversation. We've already been over the "scarcity of resources" in the fed about five times. -
Europe sucks balls and we should get tough with them in general. Very anti-competitive when it comes to importing US products when there is a European company as competition. In a way I respect it, but we shouldn't put up with it. We have an infatuation with wanting them to respect and like us for some reason and are willing to get ripped off to get that.WestlinnDuck said:
Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.Bob_C said:
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah they need to contribute more.Bob_C said:
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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Johnson is looking for a way to get Zelensky his money. But he has no choice to but to draw the line at the border. Hell most of us here know anything about the border in this deal will be fake but the democrats still won't do it
President Tail Gunner Joe with the red baiting. It should be noted that McCarthy was actually right about Reds in government and Hollywood. Biden is a piece of shit
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Our elites have that obsession and desire. Americans dgaf.Bob_C said:
Europe sucks balls and we should get tough with them in general. Very anti-competitive when it comes to importing US products when there is a European company as competition. In a way I respect it, but we shouldn't put up with it. We have an infatuation with wanting them to respect and like us for some reason and are willing to get ripped off to get that.WestlinnDuck said:
Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.Bob_C said:
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah they need to contribute more.Bob_C said:
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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Libya never needed saving in the first place.WestlinnDuck said:
Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.Bob_C said:
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah they need to contribute more.Bob_C said:
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
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It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
We just can’t help but stick our noses into oil fields worldwide.
Same as it ever was. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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You can’t play the war game without an opponent.RaceBannon said:Once you realize that the CIA and NATO don't ever want anyone to win a war again this stuff makes more sense. Cold war era spy novels were filled with the CIA and KGB making side deals to keep order even if it took some disorder to do it. Vietnam begat Afghanistan which begat Afghanistan again which begat Iraq. Serbia was in there as well. Now its Ukraine and Eastern Europe again
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more
The elite have been funding both sides for centuries.
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Fucking hippy.RaceBannon said:Once you realize that the CIA and NATO don't ever want anyone to win a war again this stuff makes more sense. Cold war era spy novels were filled with the CIA and KGB making side deals to keep order even if it took some disorder to do it. Vietnam begat Afghanistan which begat Afghanistan again which begat Iraq. Serbia was in there as well. Now its Ukraine and Eastern Europe again
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more
Nah, but we aren't so different you and I, unlike most of the Tug I opposed those wars(that I was alive for).
Trump smoking Solimani and talking shit is 100% one of my favorite examples of how the US should have a fuck around and find out policy without the need to get entangled in foreign wars.
We also mopped Wagner during that era and had war games in the South China Sea. America First and isolationism aren't the same thing.
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At this point, fuck our Congress and POTUS for sending money. Zelensky is just sending an invoice for services not rendered. Our own idiots send the payment without checking the POSledog said:
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Look at the "Republican" leadership. Until recently, "I have a plan" McCarthy, McConnell, Romney, Lindsey Graham et al. All on Team America World Police, all supporting eternal war paid for with US debt. Toss out McCarthy and the republican establishment went ape sh*t. Desperately trying to get Nikki Haley in there because we need to save democracy in Ukraine while they have no interest in running clean elections in the US and protecting the US border.PurpleThrobber said:
At this point, fuck our Congress and POTUS for sending money. Zelensky is just sending an invoice for services not rendered. Our own idiots send the payment without checking the POSledog said:
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WTF is a "Republican" anymore? Seriously.
I know a Dem is someone who hates America, loves Queers, Trannies, Child Rapists, Muslims and/or anything non-white, doesn't want to work and has shit for brains.
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Like I said, we are fucking retarded to keep electing these people.WestlinnDuck said:
Look at the "Republican" leadership. Until recently, "I have a plan" McCarthy, McConnell, Romney, Lindsey Graham et al. All on Team America World Police, all supporting eternal war paid for with US debt. Toss out McCarthy and the republican establishment went ape sh*t. Desperately trying to get Nikki Haley in there because we need to save democracy in Ukraine while they have no interest in running clean elections in the US and protecting the US border.PurpleThrobber said:
At this point, fuck our Congress and POTUS for sending money. Zelensky is just sending an invoice for services not rendered. Our own idiots send the payment without checking the POSledog said:
And we? are idiots for continuing to elect them.
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Democrat=Communist. Anyone that disagrees with that statement is communist so ask your neighbors so you know for when the real shit starts. They are openly destroying our country and attempting to replace us with illegals from all over the world while our veterans get kicked out of places to house them!TurdBomber said:WTF is a "Republican" anymore? Seriously.
I know a Dem is someone who hates America, loves Queers, Trannies, Child Rapists, Muslims and/or anything non-white, doesn't want to work and has shit for brains.
But again, what's a Republican anymore?
Every shitty nation has emptied their jails, prisons, mental hospitals etc. and sent them here!
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Wow…we have some real nut jobs in here lol.
Nee nar nee nar take me to your leader! -
See?HuskyBuck said:Wow…we have some real nut jobs in here lol.
Nee nar nee nar take me to your leader! -
Go ahead and point out who the nutbags are and why they are nutbags.HuskyBuck said:Wow…we have some real nut jobs in here lol.
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Bob you can put yourself on that list. I love people who complain about others “believing what they are told” while repeating every talking point their “side” spits out. Both sides are faggy.Bob_C said:
Go ahead and point out who the nutbags are and why they are nutbags.HuskyBuck said:Wow…we have some real nut jobs in here lol.
Nee nar nee nar take me to your leader!
I choose to believe the simplest explanation when it comes to stuff. The election for example. What’s more likely?
- There are coordinated layers of corruptness everywhere across the country to influence the final result that no one can seem to prove
- Someone didn’t like the results and is pushing conspiracy theories
I’ll choose B. Some of you fell asleep during that faggy Philosophy class in college or something. -
5 counties basically decided the election
And they all had malarkey going on
There is plenty of evidence for you to ignore
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I see another BidenBro has arrived! Do you hang at the Tool Box like the Dazzler?HuskyBuck said:
Bob you can put yourself on that list. I love people who complain about others “believing what they are told” while repeating every talking point their “side” spits out. Both sides are faggy.Bob_C said:
Go ahead and point out who the nutbags are and why they are nutbags.HuskyBuck said:Wow…we have some real nut jobs in here lol.
Nee nar nee nar take me to your leader!
I choose to believe the simplest explanation when it comes to stuff. The election for example. What’s more likely?
- There are coordinated layers of corruptness everywhere across the country to influence the final result that no one can seem to prove
- Someone didn’t like the results and is pushing conspiracy theories
I’ll choose B. Some of you fell asleep during that faggy Philosophy class in college or something. -
Atta boy guys, resort to personal attacks. I’m merely calling out the obvious. You’re all being faggy and wasting your life.
You guys wanna know the cliff notes version of this Ukraine thing. Zelensky couldn’t dig up dirt out of thin air like you wanted , so some idiot on Twitter told you to be angry. If he had dug up dirt, you would be wanting to send more aid to Ukraine as we speak. That’s the truth guys. You can stop wasting your lives being angry now.
