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Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.Sledog said:Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
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You REALLY don't read my shit.TurdBomber said:Cyber Security Now! The Russians are Coming. THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!
We must defend ourselves by becoming a Far Left Communist Dictatorship before Russia takes us over!!!!
Idk, go read Twitter some more and pretend that's me I guess. I'm more libertarian than most of the tug.
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Now the gay dancing mideget threatens the world... -
Are you still in 3rd grade? Your analysis would suggest so.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They didnt want NATO in Sweden and Finland, or the Baltics, either. And here we are.Bob_C said:
Russia isn't taking that deal. They want no NATO in Ukraine and have been telling you that for years before this war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I was hoping Ukraine would be able to do more on the offensive, but this war has literally been a trench lined shitshow with no gains by either side for a year.WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Its time to hang up the cleats. Russia gets the shit they managed to grab. Ukraine joins NATO and ensures this doesnt occur again
With any luck Putin dies soon and Russians form a real government.
History says they don't, but one can hope.
No one wants Russia to be an enemy. I love Russian food, they have an interesting country and culture, hot women. Would like to visit.
They make themselves an enemy for no reason.
This war isnt about NATO. It's about being stuck in a medieval mindset where countries conquer each other for land.
Not even Khazakstan likes Russia anymore. Friendless in their sphere of influence. -
TurdBomber said:
Are you still in 3rd grade? Your analysis would suggest so.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They didnt want NATO in Sweden and Finland, or the Baltics, either. And here we are.Bob_C said:
Russia isn't taking that deal. They want no NATO in Ukraine and have been telling you that for years before this war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I was hoping Ukraine would be able to do more on the offensive, but this war has literally been a trench lined shitshow with no gains by either side for a year.WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Its time to hang up the cleats. Russia gets the shit they managed to grab. Ukraine joins NATO and ensures this doesnt occur again
With any luck Putin dies soon and Russians form a real government.
History says they don't, but one can hope.
No one wants Russia to be an enemy. I love Russian food, they have an interesting country and culture, hot women. Would like to visit.
They make themselves an enemy for no reason.
This war isnt about NATO. It's about being stuck in a medieval mindset where countries conquer each other for land.
Not even Khazakstan likes Russia anymore. Friendless in their sphere of influence.
You bring nothing to the conversation. EverTurdBomber said:
Are you still in 3rd grade? Your analysis would suggest so.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They didnt want NATO in Sweden and Finland, or the Baltics, either. And here we are.Bob_C said:
Russia isn't taking that deal. They want no NATO in Ukraine and have been telling you that for years before this war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I was hoping Ukraine would be able to do more on the offensive, but this war has literally been a trench lined shitshow with no gains by either side for a year.WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Its time to hang up the cleats. Russia gets the shit they managed to grab. Ukraine joins NATO and ensures this doesnt occur again
With any luck Putin dies soon and Russians form a real government.
History says they don't, but one can hope.
No one wants Russia to be an enemy. I love Russian food, they have an interesting country and culture, hot women. Would like to visit.
They make themselves an enemy for no reason.
This war isnt about NATO. It's about being stuck in a medieval mindset where countries conquer each other for land.
Not even Khazakstan likes Russia anymore. Friendless in their sphere of influence. -
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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"But we should continue funding the death of Ukrainians because Russia Sucks!" - PGOSPostGameOrangeSlices said:TurdBomber said:
Are you still in 3rd grade? Your analysis would suggest so.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They didnt want NATO in Sweden and Finland, or the Baltics, either. And here we are.Bob_C said:
Russia isn't taking that deal. They want no NATO in Ukraine and have been telling you that for years before this war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I was hoping Ukraine would be able to do more on the offensive, but this war has literally been a trench lined shitshow with no gains by either side for a year.WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Its time to hang up the cleats. Russia gets the shit they managed to grab. Ukraine joins NATO and ensures this doesnt occur again
With any luck Putin dies soon and Russians form a real government.
History says they don't, but one can hope.
No one wants Russia to be an enemy. I love Russian food, they have an interesting country and culture, hot women. Would like to visit.
They make themselves an enemy for no reason.
This war isnt about NATO. It's about being stuck in a medieval mindset where countries conquer each other for land.
Not even Khazakstan likes Russia anymore. Friendless in their sphere of influence.
You bring nothing to the conversation. EverTurdBomber said:
Are you still in 3rd grade? Your analysis would suggest so.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They didnt want NATO in Sweden and Finland, or the Baltics, either. And here we are.Bob_C said:
Russia isn't taking that deal. They want no NATO in Ukraine and have been telling you that for years before this war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I was hoping Ukraine would be able to do more on the offensive, but this war has literally been a trench lined shitshow with no gains by either side for a year.WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Its time to hang up the cleats. Russia gets the shit they managed to grab. Ukraine joins NATO and ensures this doesnt occur again
With any luck Putin dies soon and Russians form a real government.
History says they don't, but one can hope.
No one wants Russia to be an enemy. I love Russian food, they have an interesting country and culture, hot women. Would like to visit.
They make themselves an enemy for no reason.
This war isnt about NATO. It's about being stuck in a medieval mindset where countries conquer each other for land.
Not even Khazakstan likes Russia anymore. Friendless in their sphere of influence.
Probably YBFE over the last 3 years. -
Zelensky is an enemy of America and democracy aligned with Americans who are the same
Fuck that piece of shit. Close the border and hold the money hostage. America first
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Schumer said yesterday that Republicans will be to blame for Ukraine because they insist on holding up money over border policies. The inverse could also be said that the blood is on Schumer's hands because he is willing to sacrifice Ukrainians to keep status quo at the border.RaceBannon said:Zelensky is an enemy of America and democracy aligned with Americans who are the same
Fuck that piece of shit. Close the border and hold the money hostage. America first
Also, Republicans are stupid the think that money will help the border problem. -
The problem is there is no plan to win as American's understood the objective, which was to actually win the war. The real objective was always @UW_Doog_Bot 's real politick version. Which is fine I suppose and understand the argument at least, but it's not what the people were told was the objective. We were promised victory in exchange for our money and the inflation that the war supposedly caused.
That's one of my main objections to all of this stuff, the product never matches the marketing materials.
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Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
-
Well, part of the path to victory included things like ATACMS and F16's which the Tug opposed vehemently as provoking a nuclear fallout.Bob_C said:The problem is there is no plan to win as American's understood the objective, which was to actually win the war. The real objective was always @UW_Doog_Bot 's real politick version. Which is fine I suppose and understand the argument at least, but it's not what the people were told was the objective. We were promised victory in exchange for our money and the inflation that the war supposedly caused.
That's one of my main objections to all of this stuff, the product never matches the marketing materials.
We ended up sending them after all almost 2 years later with no nuclear Winter but late enough to drag the conflict out.
Kind of disingenuous to now rail against "no clear path to victory" when past tense advocating against "escalation". -
Now who is naive KayUW_Doog_Bot said:
Well, part of the path to victory included things like ATACMS and F16's which the Tug opposed vehemently as provoking a nuclear fallout.Bob_C said:The problem is there is no plan to win as American's understood the objective, which was to actually win the war. The real objective was always @UW_Doog_Bot 's real politick version. Which is fine I suppose and understand the argument at least, but it's not what the people were told was the objective. We were promised victory in exchange for our money and the inflation that the war supposedly caused.
That's one of my main objections to all of this stuff, the product never matches the marketing materials.
We ended up sending them after all almost 2 years later with no nuclear Winter but late enough to drag the conflict out.
Kind of disingenuous to now rail against "no clear path to victory" when past tense advocating against "escalation". -
The media, White House and PGOS told me Ukraine is winning and there was no need for that stuff. And at one point, no need for tanks or cluster bombs either. I've been consistent in this thread that there was no chance for victory without escalation. That's been proven true. If a new plan is needed to win it, then someone should be able to tell us what that is. But that means admitting defeat in what has taken place so far.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Well, part of the path to victory included things like ATACMS and F16's which the Tug opposed vehemently as provoking a nuclear fallout.Bob_C said:The problem is there is no plan to win as American's understood the objective, which was to actually win the war. The real objective was always @UW_Doog_Bot 's real politick version. Which is fine I suppose and understand the argument at least, but it's not what the people were told was the objective. We were promised victory in exchange for our money and the inflation that the war supposedly caused.
That's one of my main objections to all of this stuff, the product never matches the marketing materials.
We ended up sending them after all almost 2 years later with no nuclear Winter but late enough to drag the conflict out.
Kind of disingenuous to now rail against "no clear path to victory" when past tense advocating against "escalation". -
Confirmed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.Sledog said:Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
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Can also confirm.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You REALLY don't read my shit.TurdBomber said:Cyber Security Now! The Russians are Coming. THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!
We must defend ourselves by becoming a Far Left Communist Dictatorship before Russia takes us over!!!!
Idk, go read Twitter some more and pretend that's me I guess. I'm more libertarian than most of the tug.
Speaking of fucking strawmen. -
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
-
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
-
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
-
Just reminded me of a great Rolling Stone article from P.J. O'Rourke I read in about 1985 entitled: Terror of the Euroweenies.RaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
-
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
-
Well, I'll agree that securing our border is our first international priority. And that includes not outsourcing our manufacturing base to China and allowing them to bring massive amounts of fentanyl into our country. Toss in ceding to them control of the world's strategic metal and mineral production because the dems and their allies think that if the chicoms are using little kids to hand grub out cobalt in the Congo instead of US companies using clean mining techniques that this virtue signaling makes us morally superior. Then on to pharmaceuticals and the failure to hold the chicoms to intellectual property protection for our technology. So, using scarce resources to secure the Ukraine border instead of using them to protect our border and actually deal in the real world with the chicoms doesn't seem to make you a big ChYna hawk. Schumer and McConnell could give a sh*t about securing our border. Neither did "I have a plan" McCarthy and his RINO/dem allies. If you think we should secure the Ukraine border and our border at the same time, at least make the dems make that choice. Right now, that's what Johnson is arguing with not a lot of vocal support from our other ostensible republican leaders and none on the dem side.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.Sledog said:Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
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It's not money it's enforcementBob_C said:
Schumer said yesterday that Republicans will be to blame for Ukraine because they insist on holding up money over border policies. The inverse could also be said that the blood is on Schumer's hands because he is willing to sacrifice Ukrainians to keep status quo at the border.RaceBannon said:Zelensky is an enemy of America and democracy aligned with Americans who are the same
Fuck that piece of shit. Close the border and hold the money hostage. America first
Also, Republicans are stupid the think that money will help the border problem.
And NOC -
I don't. Any other questions?WestlinnDuck said:
Well, I'll agree that securing our border is our first international priority. And that includes not outsourcing our manufacturing base to China and allowing them to bring massive amounts of fentanyl into our country. Toss in ceding to them control of the world's strategic metal and mineral production because the dems and their allies think that if the chicoms are using little kids to hand grub out cobalt in the Congo instead of US companies using clean mining techniques that this virtue signaling makes us morally superior. Then on to pharmaceuticals and the failure to hold the chicoms to intellectual property protection for our technology. So, using scarce resources to secure the Ukraine border instead of using them to protect our border and actually deal in the real world with the chicoms doesn't seem to make you a big ChYna hawk. Schumer and McConnell could give a sh*t about securing our border. Neither did "I have a plan" McCarthy and his RINO/dem allies. If you think we should secure the Ukraine border and our border at the same time, at least make the dems make that choice. Right now, that's what Johnson is arguing with not a lot of vocal support from our other ostensible republican leaders and none on the dem side.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.Sledog said:Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
And ftr you can go check, I was FOR tying Ukraine aid to border funding.
Seriously, have half of you even read this fucking thread?
At least @Bob_C @RaceBannon and I can have a fucking conversation. We've already been over the "scarcity of resources" in the fed about five times. -
Trump was RIGHT and FIRST on NATO.Bob_C said:
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
Unwittingly Biden and Putin have been able to bumble their way into the greatest NATO resurgence since the Cold War ended. - Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
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Once you realize that the CIA and NATO don't ever want anyone to win a war again this stuff makes more sense. Cold war era spy novels were filled with the CIA and KGB making side deals to keep order even if it took some disorder to do it. Vietnam begat Afghanistan which begat Afghanistan again which begat Iraq. Serbia was in there as well. Now its Ukraine and Eastern Europe again
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more -
At least I know when an Atacms is sent I'm getting dead Russians for my money.RaceBannon said:
It's not money it's enforcementBob_C said:
Schumer said yesterday that Republicans will be to blame for Ukraine because they insist on holding up money over border policies. The inverse could also be said that the blood is on Schumer's hands because he is willing to sacrifice Ukrainians to keep status quo at the border.RaceBannon said:Zelensky is an enemy of America and democracy aligned with Americans who are the same
Fuck that piece of shit. Close the border and hold the money hostage. America first
Also, Republicans are stupid the think that money will help the border problem.
And NOC
It's a low bar but still probably some of the best ROI on the federal portfolio for the American taxpayer.
Que the retard crew to think this means I adore keynesian tax and spend.
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Yeah they need to contribute more.Bob_C said:
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No argument there. Buncha cucksRaceBannon said:
Europe fought Reagan every step of the wayPostGameOrangeSlices said:
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet UnionWestlinnDuck said:
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.Bob_C said:
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Whataboutism potd.Bob_C said:
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?Bob_C said:
Why specifically are they a major enemy?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?WestlinnDuck said:
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.Bob_C said:
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.UW_Doog_Bot said:
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.TurdBomber said:
YouPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It wasnt a lost causeTurdBomber said:
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?PostGameOrangeSlices said:No one cares about this stalemate any more
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USAmay beare clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
- Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
- Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
- Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
- Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
- Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
- Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
- Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
- Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
- Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
- Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
- Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
- Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
- Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
- Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
- Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
- Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
- Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
- Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
- Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
- Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
- Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
- Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
- Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
- Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
