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So what do we do now? Ukraine...........

Bendintheriver
Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,061 Standard Supporter
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Biden and team screwed this up from the beginning. Remember how he was going to shut down russia, how putin was going to rue the day he ever entered Ukraine territory. Biden was going to ruin putin financially. Starve the people of cash so quickly that they would turn on Putin.

Welp, putin is stronger than ever. His military has lost a lot but russia has not suffered financially at all. When you attack the second largest European nation and its neighbors continue to purchase fuel and energy from you, I think it is fair to say putin has zero fear of the French, Germans, etc.

So what would you do at this point? Just curious to hear the thoughts.

Me? I get out. If the European countries aren't going to fight and just give faint support to Ukraine, what the hell am I doing there with my people and billions? Europe and the USA treated this war like they did Vietnam, they played politics instead of going in and kicking ass.

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/its-time-to-end-magical-thinking-about-russias-defeat-f6d0b8de?mod=hp_featst_pos4

It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat
Putin has withstood the West’s best efforts to reverse his invasion of Ukraine, and his hold on power is firm. The U.S. and its allies need a new strategy: containment.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,758 Founders Club
    You must have missed the fantastic ROI we are getting on these billions? And the SHREDDING.

    Joking aside I mostly agree with all of this. The fact that we are still talking about more money into another lost war is about saving face only.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,137 Standard Supporter
    Never should have been there in the first place.

    Filth.

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,188 Founders Club
    Cripple US energy

    Force reliance on bad actors including Russia

    Way oversell how you are going to bankrupt Russia

    Print and send money to our dictator

    Sacrifice thousands of lives to get a stalemate you could have had for free


    Not seeing a problem

    I understand Bot's argument but we were right about the morons trying to execute it

    The same folks who did covid, the summer of burning love, and 2AM ballot dumps

    But Biden has nice tweets. Allegedly
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,893 Standard Supporter
    The Demonrats and RINO's raked in untold amounts of money on the kickbacks.

    Joe and Hunter lost their Biolabs. They got a refund.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,758 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Cripple US energy

    Force reliance on bad actors including Russia

    Way oversell how you are going to bankrupt Russia

    Print and send money to our dictator

    Sacrifice thousands of lives to get a stalemate you could have had for free


    Not seeing a problem

    I understand Bot's argument but we were right about the morons trying to execute it

    The same folks who did covid, the summer of burning love, and 2AM ballot dumps

    But Biden has nice tweets. Allegedly

    Sanctions don't work against a big country that matters who is already tied at the hip with China who really matters. The sanctions have backfired as more countries have now taken steps to make themselves less sanctionable.

    There was no plan B once the sanctions failed and Russia dug in. Now it's all purely about not admitting defeat.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,658 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Cripple US energy

    Force reliance on bad actors including Russia

    Way oversell how you are going to bankrupt Russia

    Print and send money to our dictator

    Sacrifice thousands of lives to get a stalemate you could have had for free


    Not seeing a problem

    I understand Bot's argument but we were right about the morons trying to execute it

    The same folks who did covid, the summer of burning love, and 2AM ballot dumps

    But Biden has nice tweets. Allegedly

    Sanctions don't work against a big country that matters who is already tied at the hip with China who really matters. The sanctions have backfired as more countries have now taken steps to make themselves less sanctionable.

    There was no plan B once the sanctions failed and Russia dug in. Now it's all purely about not admitting defeat.
    And the dementia patient wants to shove another $100 billion to the Ukraine autocrats.
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  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,634 Swaye's Wigwam
    WestlinnDuck said:

    Bob_C said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Cripple US energy

    Force reliance on bad actors including Russia

    Way oversell how you are going to bankrupt Russia

    Print and send money to our dictator

    Sacrifice thousands of lives to get a stalemate you could have had for free


    Not seeing a problem

    I understand Bot's argument but we were right about the morons trying to execute it

    The same folks who did covid, the summer of burning love, and 2AM ballot dumps

    But Biden has nice tweets. Allegedly

    Sanctions don't work against a big country that matters who is already tied at the hip with China who really matters. The sanctions have backfired as more countries have now taken steps to make themselves less sanctionable.

    There was no plan B once the sanctions failed and Russia dug in. Now it's all purely about not admitting defeat.
    And the dementia patient wants to shove another $100 billion to the Ukraine autocrats. launder another $10Billion to the Dem Coffers

    Fixed that for ya. Please don't condone it.

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  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,681 Founders Club
    I’m surprised yore surprised
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,206 Founders Club
    Just curious what the interest rates are currently on Russian bonds. Anyone here know?
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,758 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Just curious what the interest rates are currently on Russian bonds. Anyone here know?

    Probably high. But they also ran a budget surplus for their latest fiscal year so not sure they are really trying to move them.

    The US on the other hand, I just bought some 30 day bonds directly from treasury at auction at a 5% face discount and with a 5.5% coupon rate. Crazy what huge deficits will do.
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,206 Founders Club
    Bob_C said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Just curious what the interest rates are currently on Russian bonds. Anyone here know?

    Probably high. But they also ran a budget surplus for their latest fiscal year so not sure they are really trying to move them.

    The US on the other hand, I just bought some 30 day bonds directly from treasury at auction at a 5% face discount and with a 5.5% coupon rate. Crazy what huge deficits will do.
    A "budget surplus" kinda meaningless when you use up all your foreign reserves, print tons of currency, and are paying 20% on existing debt(in those foreign reserves).

    I was never one to say that sanctions would crush Russia but to pretend that "Russia is stronger than ever" is just repeating agitprop.

    They are fully capable of going hermit kingdom since they produce food, energy, etc. Half of Siberia is living in 1930 anyway.

    The difference being they have lots of rebellious colony states. Hence the push for "peace" aka a chance for Russia to regroup before the next invasion.
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,004 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    The Demonrats and RINO's raked in untold amounts of money on the kickbacks.

    Joe and Hunter lost their Biolabs. They got a refund.

    Yip, their 10% to the big guy
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  • Blueduck
    Blueduck Member Posts: 1,615
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Just curious what the interest rates are currently on Russian bonds. Anyone here know?


    Wasn't sure if you were being rhetorical....


    https://cbr.ru/eng/hd_base/zcyc_params/

    https://www.worldgovernmentbonds.com/country/russia/
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,206 Founders Club
    Blueduck said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Just curious what the interest rates are currently on Russian bonds. Anyone here know?


    Wasn't sure if you were being rhetorical....


    https://cbr.ru/eng/hd_base/zcyc_params/

    https://www.worldgovernmentbonds.com/country/russia/
    Seems like a totally low risk way to make 15% returns. Why wouldn't anyone invest?

    Odd that the yield curves are inverted right?
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