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allpurpleallgold said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Great article. I really like the Miami program and wish they were dominant again. They churned out great NFL talent and the teams were bad ass. The 2001 team is the best team I have ever seen. The 2004 USC team is the only team that's even remotely close. That was a bullshit PI call that fucked Miami in 2002. They are probably my second favorite program. It's too bad they have fucked up their last two coaching hires.

Miami is kind of hypocrites for the whining about FSU. UW beat Miami, yet they don't acknowledge that. I fully get Miami's thinking that they should have won that game and were the better team, but that's irrelevant. When they played, they lost. It's not like UW's one loss was to a bad team either. Oregon was a top 10 team that beat Texas in the Holiday Bowl. I would assume the Pac 10 was stronger than the Big East as well. It's too fucking bad there wasn't a playoff to settle it. That would have sucked.

TL, DR: Cry me a fucking river Miami. UW had just as much right to be upset.

The Miami corner grabbed the wrs jersey with the ball in the air. That's pass interference. Watch the replay.

(1) fuck off.

(2) i've watched the replay a thousand times, which means, and this should surprise neither of us, that I've wathced it about 999.8 times more than you have. and I just watched it again.

(3) don't even bother starting this shit.

(4) Gamble initiated the only contact that occurred on that play, almost all of which occurred after the ball was sailing over his head. In fact, for the brief period of time that his back was to Sharpe he saw that the ball was high relative to where he was on his route and turned around and ran straight into and through Glenn Sharpe, who, miraculously STILL didn't touch him with his hands as he had his arms open as if inviting Gamble for a hug - which he didn't do. If anything, Gamble, WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE BALL, impeded Sharpe's ability to make a play on the ball you could have called offensive PI.

(5) Aside from the fact that there was no technical pass interference, it is obvious from watching the replay that Sharpe really didn't defend shit and had no effect on the play - that Gamble didn't get to where he needed to be or have his body in the right position relative to kris kringle's pass. so from a "let's play fucking football" standpoint you just don't make that fucking call, and it took the ref an eternity to dig the flag out from is ass crack to throw it.

this about covers it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc

that all said, Miami should never have been at that point with Ohio State and it was their own fault. OSU had an active D line and that caused some problems early until Kehoe was able to make adjustments, which shouldn't have been that hard because Miami had a great O line in 2002 and was still overall flush with ridiculous amounts of talent on both sides of the ball. just one of those days - they took too long to get going. 9 times out of 10 games against that team Miami runs out in front and it's never close. but my aunt doesn't have balls so that's why she's not my uncle.

whlinder said:

creepycoug said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Rich Alexis was pretty bad. He could take an option pitch from Tui, but that's about it. Once Tui left he was serviceable, but below average.

exactly. Pickett was a helluva passer and, TECHNICALLY, a better athlete than Tui (i.e., he was bigger and had more straight-line speed and a better arm), but you can't teach that feel for the option game and running in the open field. Tui oozed it and Pickett was horrible. I remember going to games that season and watching Rick push the option at least a few times on every drive. it was like even the old ladies in the stands were yelling, "he can't fucking do it; he's a pocket passer!"

once Alexis had to play with Cody, it was over because they couldn't run the option and Alexis ran into his own blockers and was never a vision guy.

IIRC when Pickett came to UW he was the all-time leading rebounder for HS hoops in Idaho.
I know it's Idaho, but still. That's some natural athletic ability. And of course his bull-riding...

He couldn't run the option like Tui but it wasn't terrible. Though once Pickett separated his shoulder it was over for the option.

i believe I remember the play. I think it was against SC and I watched him get tackled and have his shoulder driven into the turf. Over.

he was a hell of an athlete, and I'm sure he could outrun Tui in a straight line race, but the kid had zero feel for the option. I actually remember it as being pretty bad, but maybe that was because of the baseline comparison. the guy who had been doing it before was pretty fuckin' good at it.

allpurpleallgold said:

creepycoug said:

allpurpleallgold said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Great article. I really like the Miami program and wish they were dominant again. They churned out great NFL talent and the teams were bad ass. The 2001 team is the best team I have ever seen. The 2004 USC team is the only team that's even remotely close. That was a bullshit PI call that fucked Miami in 2002. They are probably my second favorite program. It's too bad they have fucked up their last two coaching hires.

Miami is kind of hypocrites for the whining about FSU. UW beat Miami, yet they don't acknowledge that. I fully get Miami's thinking that they should have won that game and were the better team, but that's irrelevant. When they played, they lost. It's not like UW's one loss was to a bad team either. Oregon was a top 10 team that beat Texas in the Holiday Bowl. I would assume the Pac 10 was stronger than the Big East as well. It's too fucking bad there wasn't a playoff to settle it. That would have sucked.

TL, DR: Cry me a fucking river Miami. UW had just as much right to be upset.

The Miami corner grabbed the wrs jersey with the ball in the air. That's pass interference. Watch the replay.

(1) fuck off.

(2) i've watched the replay a thousand times, which means, and this should surprise neither of us, that I've wathced it about 999.8 times more than you have. and I just watched it again.

(3) don't even bother starting this shit.

(4) Gamble initiated the only contact that occurred on that play, almost all of which occurred after the ball was sailing over his head. In fact, for the brief period of time that his back was to Sharpe he saw that the ball was high relative to where he was on his route and turned around and ran straight into and through Glenn Sharpe, who, miraculously STILL didn't touch him with his hands as he had his arms open as if inviting Gamble for a hug - which he didn't do. If anything, Gamble, WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE BALL, impeded Sharpe's ability to make a play on the ball you could have called offensive PI.

(5) Aside from the fact that there was no technical pass interference, it is obvious from watching the replay that Sharpe really didn't defend shit and had no effect on the play - that Gamble didn't get to where he needed to be or have his body in the right position relative to kris kringle's pass. so from a "let's play fucking football" standpoint you just don't make that fucking call, and it took the ref an eternity to dig the flag out from is ass crack to throw it.

this about covers it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc

that all said, Miami should never have been at that point with Ohio State and it was their own fault. OSU had an active D line and that caused some problems early until Kehoe was able to make adjustments, which shouldn't have been that hard because Miami had a great O line in 2002 and was still overall flush with ridiculous amounts of talent on both sides of the ball. just one of those days - they took too long to get going. 9 times out of 10 games against that team Miami runs out in front and it's never close. but my aunt doesn't have balls so that's why she's not my uncle.

3:09 mark. You can see the jersey getting pulled. 1:47 mark you can see the ball in the air and Sharpes arm make the movement.

Sharpe pulled him in the opposite direction he was trying to turn. Had Gamble been able to turn faster he may have caught the ball. So he certainly impacted the play.

You're wrong. The only valid argument is the game had not been called that tight up until that point. There was more contact on previous pass attempts that was not called. But no one can legitimately argue that pulling a wrs jersey with the ball in the air isn't pass interference by rule.

You may not like it but that's the truth.

no, you are.

of course i don't like it, and i'm sure you do, but neither one of those things means jack shit.

at 1:47 - uh, the balls about to hit the ground at that point and Gamble is falling on Sharpe, effectively preventing HIM from making any play on the ball. remember, you can have offensive PI too and when the ball is in the air the defender has a right to make a play on it as well. 1:47 shows absolutlely nothing other than Gamble mounting Sharpe for some missionary. at that point the play's over and they're both falling down.

likewise, 3:09 shows Sharpe running next to Gamble and there is nothing in that blur that shows that he's even touching him.

if I were to study this all day I could probably find some other instances that better support your argument than those two crap references, which support my view more than yours if anything.

i know one thing: if the way Sharpe defended that play were routinely called PI, NOBODY would ever agree to play the corner position. NOBODY.

in the final analysis, the ball hit BOTH Gamble's hands and his face mask no part of Sharpe's body was anywhere near the peanut - Sharpe wasn't doing anything but getting abused in the air game because he didn't jump. Gamble didn't make the play and if Sharpe is guilty of anything it was that he didn't finish. he did well to stay with Gamble, who was a great receiver, but in the end a DB has to make a play on the ball or do SOMETHING. Sharpe didn't do shit when the ball was in the air, including even touch Gamble. if there was contact, it was Gamble playing into Sharpe's body. you can clearly see his arms are out but not touching Gamble.

there is not one frame on the internet that has been shown to me that shows, even fuzzy, Gamble's white jersey, which contrasts nicely with the green turf, being tugged. not one.

find it and I'll concede.

remember he's allowed to bump him at the line even in the red zone.

of course if Gamble had been uncovered he probably catches it. that is the point of being a defender. but nothing he did ultimately interfered with Gamble making that drop. it was all him.

i don't even see incidental contact in that clip until the ball is falling away from Gamble, and again, it is GAMBLE who is initiating it.

if Gamble makes that catch, Miami fans from that time until now run Sharpe up a flag pole for not making a play.

one of the worst calls i've ever seen.

dnc said:

creepycoug said:

allpurpleallgold said:

creepycoug said:

allpurpleallgold said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Great article. I really like the Miami program and wish they were dominant again. They churned out great NFL talent and the teams were bad ass. The 2001 team is the best team I have ever seen. The 2004 USC team is the only team that's even remotely close. That was a bullshit PI call that fucked Miami in 2002. They are probably my second favorite program. It's too bad they have fucked up their last two coaching hires.

Miami is kind of hypocrites for the whining about FSU. UW beat Miami, yet they don't acknowledge that. I fully get Miami's thinking that they should have won that game and were the better team, but that's irrelevant. When they played, they lost. It's not like UW's one loss was to a bad team either. Oregon was a top 10 team that beat Texas in the Holiday Bowl. I would assume the Pac 10 was stronger than the Big East as well. It's too fucking bad there wasn't a playoff to settle it. That would have sucked.

TL, DR: Cry me a fucking river Miami. UW had just as much right to be upset.

The Miami corner grabbed the wrs jersey with the ball in the air. That's pass interference. Watch the replay.

(1) fuck off.

(2) i've watched the replay a thousand times, which means, and this should surprise neither of us, that I've wathced it about 999.8 times more than you have. and I just watched it again.

(3) don't even bother starting this shit.

(4) Gamble initiated the only contact that occurred on that play, almost all of which occurred after the ball was sailing over his head. In fact, for the brief period of time that his back was to Sharpe he saw that the ball was high relative to where he was on his route and turned around and ran straight into and through Glenn Sharpe, who, miraculously STILL didn't touch him with his hands as he had his arms open as if inviting Gamble for a hug - which he didn't do. If anything, Gamble, WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE BALL, impeded Sharpe's ability to make a play on the ball you could have called offensive PI.

(5) Aside from the fact that there was no technical pass interference, it is obvious from watching the replay that Sharpe really didn't defend shit and had no effect on the play - that Gamble didn't get to where he needed to be or have his body in the right position relative to kris kringle's pass. so from a "let's play fucking football" standpoint you just don't make that fucking call, and it took the ref an eternity to dig the flag out from is ass crack to throw it.

this about covers it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc

that all said, Miami should never have been at that point with Ohio State and it was their own fault. OSU had an active D line and that caused some problems early until Kehoe was able to make adjustments, which shouldn't have been that hard because Miami had a great O line in 2002 and was still overall flush with ridiculous amounts of talent on both sides of the ball. just one of those days - they took too long to get going. 9 times out of 10 games against that team Miami runs out in front and it's never close. but my aunt doesn't have balls so that's why she's not my uncle.

3:09 mark. You can see the jersey getting pulled. 1:47 mark you can see the ball in the air and Sharpes arm make the movement.

Sharpe pulled him in the opposite direction he was trying to turn. Had Gamble been able to turn faster he may have caught the ball. So he certainly impacted the play.

You're wrong. The only valid argument is the game had not been called that tight up until that point. There was more contact on previous pass attempts that was not called. But no one can legitimately argue that pulling a wrs jersey with the ball in the air isn't pass interference by rule.

You may not like it but that's the truth.

no, you are.

of course i don't like it, and i'm sure you do, but neither one of those things means jack shit.

at 1:47 - uh, the balls about to hit the ground at that point and Gamble is falling on Sharpe, effectively preventing HIM from making any play on the ball. remember, you can have offensive PI too and when the ball is in the air the defender has a right to make a play on it as well. 1:47 shows absolutlely nothing other than Gamble mounting Sharpe for some missionary. at that point the play's over and they're both falling down.

likewise, 3:09 shows Sharpe running next to Gamble and there is nothing in that blur that shows that he's even touching him.

if I were to study this all day I could probably find some other instances that better support your argument than those two crap references, which support my view more than yours if anything.

i know one thing: if the way Sharpe defended that play were routinely called PI, NOBODY would ever agree to play the corner position. NOBODY.

in the final analysis, the ball hit BOTH Gamble's hands and his face mask no part of Sharpe's body was anywhere near the peanut - Sharpe wasn't doing anything but getting abused in the air game because he didn't jump. Gamble didn't make the play and if Sharpe is guilty of anything it was that he didn't finish. he did well to stay with Gamble, who was a great receiver, but in the end a DB has to make a play on the ball or do SOMETHING. Sharpe didn't do shit when the ball was in the air, including even touch Gamble. if there was contact, it was Gamble playing into Sharpe's body. you can clearly see his arms are out but not touching Gamble.

there is not one frame on the internet that has been shown to me that shows, even fuzzy, Gamble's white jersey, which contrasts nicely with the green turf, being tugged. not one.

find it and I'll concede.

remember he's allowed to bump him at the line even in the red zone.

of course if Gamble had been uncovered he probably catches it. that is the point of being a defender. but nothing he did ultimately interfered with Gamble making that drop. it was all him.

i don't even see incidental contact in that clip until the ball is falling away from Gamble, and again, it is GAMBLE who is initiating it.

if Gamble makes that catch, Miami fans from that time until now run Sharpe up a flag pole for not making a play.

one of the worst calls i've ever seen.

CreepyCaan is in full effect today. Might be time to get royotis up in this bitch.

it has been a while since my last '91 Dawgs/Canes work.

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

creepycoug said:

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

I'll have to ask metrics superiority guy who is the best team UW ever beat (according to the metrics) but it very well could be that 2000 Miami team.

In the modern era SRS has Nebraska 95, UW 91 and Miami 01 as the 3 best teams.

Here is a look at Sagarin's all time ratings and the same 3 teams are the top 3 in the last 40 years.

http://www.huskermax.com/rating.html

Uncle Race probably can elaborate but I guess back in the day top teams played really tough schedules. Their SOS ratings are through the roof which is why most of the teams on the Sagarin list are pre 1975.

As far as talent and pro talent I can't imagine any team coming close to Miami in 00-01.

i'd have to look at schedules, but in terms of my dead reckoning from the 80s and part of the 90s, the Oklahoma and Nebraska teams did not play particularly hard schedules - they played in the top heavy Big 8 and basically whichever of those two won the head to head sailed into the Orange Bowl for the title. Colorado's ascendance helped, but overall it was a shit conference.

That's how it was. Okie State Had a few okay teams with Thomas and Barry Sanders. Iowa State and the Kansas schools were god awful. I remember the Huskies beating Kansas State 56-3 or something in '91. Those OK and N could just run the wishbone and option 60 times a game & never really be challenged.

one of the things that bonded Hurricanes fans back in the day was a partially justified sense that the world was against the program. one of the things I would point to in support of that was how much everyone would bitch and moan when Jimmy put up 50+ points on anyone, and how much the nation would cry in outrage when he did it to Notre Dame.

but during that time, Oklahoma and Nebraska would ROUTINELY hang 60 or 70 points on people ... always shitty programs ... and it never bothered anybody.

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

creepycoug said:

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

I'll have to ask metrics superiority guy who is the best team UW ever beat (according to the metrics) but it very well could be that 2000 Miami team.

In the modern era SRS has Nebraska 95, UW 91 and Miami 01 as the 3 best teams.

Here is a look at Sagarin's all time ratings and the same 3 teams are the top 3 in the last 40 years.

http://www.huskermax.com/rating.html

Uncle Race probably can elaborate but I guess back in the day top teams played really tough schedules. Their SOS ratings are through the roof which is why most of the teams on the Sagarin list are pre 1975.

As far as talent and pro talent I can't imagine any team coming close to Miami in 00-01.

i'd have to look at schedules, but in terms of my dead reckoning from the 80s and part of the 90s, the Oklahoma and Nebraska teams did not play particularly hard schedules - they played in the top heavy Big 8 and basically whichever of those two won the head to head sailed into the Orange Bowl for the title. Colorado's ascendance helped, but overall it was a shit conference.

That's how it was. Okie State Had a few okay teams with Thomas and Barry Sanders. Iowa State and the Kansas schools were god awful. I remember the Huskies beating Kansas State 56-3 or something in '91. Those OK and N could just run the wishbone and option 60 times a game & never really be challenged.

Didn't Colorado win a share of the 1990 title?

Kansas State was the worst program in major college football of all time prior to Snyder. He got them to their first bowl in 1992 and they've been solid since. One of the Nebraska championship years, I think 1995, Colorado, Kansas and Kansas St all went 10-2, with a loss to Nebraska and 1-1 against the other 2, all of them finishing top 10.