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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.



. . . It's because they agree with Putin's anti-democracy cause and share his hopes that defeating Ukraine will demoralize pro-democracy forces around the world.

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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
    Who told you that?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
    Who told you that?
    Some idiot on your team.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
    Who told you that?
    Some idiot on your team.
    Link?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
    Who told you that?
    Some idiot on your team.
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
    Who told you that?
    Some idiot on your team.
    Link?
    She said it just yesterday.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
    Who told you that?
    Some idiot on your team.
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.

    I guess it was ok for Obama and Biden to roll over, then, right supergenius?
    Nope.

    But then again, I'm told that I'm a warmonger.
    Really?
    Really
    Who told you that?
    Some idiot on your team.
    Link?
    She said it just yesterday.
    Not sure what you mean by 'team' or what your hysterics are about. But you can bookmark this, where I'm calling you an assclown.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    Totally not a political stunt by Biden

    We'll just use it to accuse our opponents of hating America and wanting Putin to win. Right PGOS?

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.


    . . . It's because they agree with Putin's anti-democracy cause and share his hopes that defeating Ukraine will demoralize pro-democracy forces around the world.

    Looks like the rubes are zeroing in on Ronnie

    Bout time idiots
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    Note the complete lack of substance in the "article"

    No actual defense of what the fuck we are doing. Just name calling and demonizing "the right" as anti democratic

  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club

    Note the complete lack of substance in the "article"

    No actual defense of what the fuck we are doing. Just name calling and demonizing "the right" as anti democratic

    If you don't vote how we want you to vote you're a threat to democracy
  • Blueduck
    Blueduck Member Posts: 1,600
    edited February 2023
    The very first sentence is correct, but after that the rest is full of propaganda and tries to trick the reader into siding with an imaginary majority without offering any stats (cherry picked or not) and vilifies anyone and categorizes them as anti American Nazi sympathizers who do not lock step with the writers opinion...When in fact the American people dont want this war, they dont want Ukraine to lose, they want a peaceful resolution and this administration and its allies continue to beat the war drum and escalate tensions while blatantly suppressing peace negotiations and silencing anyone calling for peace.
    The Biden administrations goals here are no secret, they are trying to create a war and distract from all the failures and criminal doings and launder as much money as possible while consolidating power and persecuting political rivals and critics.

    Typical MSN article.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,009 Standard Supporter
    An msn opinion piece by a left wing whacko. Jeezus hh you and your waste of time partisan reading material is a joke.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    Blueduck said:

    The very first sentence is correct, but after that the rest is full of propaganda and tries to trick the reader into siding with an imaginary majority without offering any stats (cherry picked or not) and vilifies anyone and categorizes them as anti American Nazi sympathizers who do not lock step with the writers opinion...When in fact the American people dont want this war, they dont want Ukraine to lose, they want a peaceful resolution and this administration and its allies continue to beat the war drum and escalate tensions while blatantly suppressing peace negotiations and silencing anyone calling for peace.
    The Biden administrations goals here are no secret, they are trying to create a war and distract from all the failures and criminal doings and launder as much money as possible while consolidating power and persecuting political rivals and critics.

    Typical MSN article.

    Neville Chamberlain is totally with you gals.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Blueduck said:

    The very first sentence is correct, but after that the rest is full of propaganda and tries to trick the reader into siding with an imaginary majority without offering any stats (cherry picked or not) and vilifies anyone and categorizes them as anti American Nazi sympathizers who do not lock step with the writers opinion...When in fact the American people dont want this war, they dont want Ukraine to lose, they want a peaceful resolution and this administration and its allies continue to beat the war drum and escalate tensions while blatantly suppressing peace negotiations and silencing anyone calling for peace.
    The Biden administrations goals here are no secret, they are trying to create a war and distract from all the failures and criminal doings and launder as much money as possible while consolidating power and persecuting political rivals and critics.

    Typical MSN article.

    Neville Chamberlain is totally with you gals.
    See?
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    Blueduck said:

    The very first sentence is correct, but after that the rest is full of propaganda and tries to trick the reader into siding with an imaginary majority without offering any stats (cherry picked or not) and vilifies anyone and categorizes them as anti American Nazi sympathizers who do not lock step with the writers opinion...When in fact the American people dont want this war, they dont want Ukraine to lose, they want a peaceful resolution and this administration and its allies continue to beat the war drum and escalate tensions while blatantly suppressing peace negotiations and silencing anyone calling for peace.
    The Biden administrations goals here are no secret, they are trying to create a war and distract from all the failures and criminal doings and launder as much money as possible while consolidating power and persecuting political rivals and critics.

    Typical MSN article.

    Neville Chamberlain is totally with you gals.
    Really stepping in it today, my guy.
  • Blueduck
    Blueduck Member Posts: 1,600
    HHusky said:

    Blueduck said:

    The very first sentence is correct, but after that the rest is full of propaganda and tries to trick the reader into siding with an imaginary majority without offering any stats (cherry picked or not) and vilifies anyone and categorizes them as anti American Nazi sympathizers who do not lock step with the writers opinion...When in fact the American people dont want this war, they dont want Ukraine to lose, they want a peaceful resolution and this administration and its allies continue to beat the war drum and escalate tensions while blatantly suppressing peace negotiations and silencing anyone calling for peace.
    The Biden administrations goals here are no secret, they are trying to create a war and distract from all the failures and criminal doings and launder as much money as possible while consolidating power and persecuting political rivals and critics.

    Typical MSN article.

    Neville Chamberlain is totally with you gals.
    GMAFB!

    Nowhere did I say anything about giving Putin shit.

    We wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for Barry and Jotatoes admin work helping faument the color revolution in Ukraine in 2013-14

    Utter bullshit for you to imply That I would suggest giving in to Putin.
    We had no business interfering and every russian leader since ww2 has warned about trying to expand NATO eastward.
    This war is not what Americans want... this is what rogue politicians want for cover as the truth of everything including the convid scam and the FTx money laundering money back to the DNC along with the gain of function biolabs in Ukraine and to line the pockets of their MIC donors
    They are using the state run media to brainwash soft minded idiots like you into believing they are on the right side of history.
    Just like the article, you're trying to imply that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a Nazi sypathizer.
    Does work on me.

    Try again










  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club
    Blueduck said:

    The very first sentence is correct, but after that the rest is full of propaganda and tries to trick the reader into siding with an imaginary majority without offering any stats (cherry picked or not) and vilifies anyone and categorizes them as anti American Nazi sympathizers who do not lock step with the writers opinion...When in fact the American people dont want this war, they dont want Ukraine to lose, they want a peaceful resolution and this administration and its allies continue to beat the war drum and escalate tensions while blatantly suppressing peace negotiations and silencing anyone calling for peace.
    The Biden administrations goals here are no secret, they are trying to create a war and distract from all the failures and criminal doings and launder as much money as possible while consolidating power and persecuting political rivals and critics.

    Typical MSN article.

    @PostGameOrangeSlices TRUE ?!

  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club
    edited February 2023
    HHusky said:

    Blueduck said:

    The very first sentence is correct, but after that the rest is full of propaganda and tries to trick the reader into siding with an imaginary majority without offering any stats (cherry picked or not) and vilifies anyone and categorizes them as anti American Nazi sympathizers who do not lock step with the writers opinion...When in fact the American people dont want this war, they dont want Ukraine to lose, they want a peaceful resolution and this administration and its allies continue to beat the war drum and escalate tensions while blatantly suppressing peace negotiations and silencing anyone calling for peace.
    The Biden administrations goals here are no secret, they are trying to create a war and distract from all the failures and criminal doings and launder as much money as possible while consolidating power and persecuting political rivals and critics.

    Typical MSN article.

    Neville Chamberlain is totally with you gals.
    Putin is literally Hitler gaslight of the day

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    Just a reminder that Hitler actually made it to the Channel rather easily

    Just like Putin
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club

    Just a reminder that Hitler actually made it to the Channel rather easily

    Just like Putin

    I'm hearing Putin is getting HAMMERED. Just what I'm hearing, don't twist.

    @PostGameOrangeSlices

  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    pawz said:

    Just a reminder that Hitler actually made it to the Channel rather easily

    Just like Putin

    I'm hearing Putin is getting HAMMERED. Just what I'm hearing, don't twist.

    @PostGameOrangeSlices

    I heard it was a bludgeoning.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,677 Founders Club
    hardhat said:

    pawz said:

    Just a reminder that Hitler actually made it to the Channel rather easily

    Just like Putin

    I'm hearing Putin is getting HAMMERED. Just what I'm hearing, don't twist.

    @PostGameOrangeSlices

    I heard it was a bludgeoning.
    SHREDDING
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.



    . . . It's because they agree with Putin's anti-democracy cause and share his hopes that defeating Ukraine will demoralize pro-democracy forces around the world.

    What a load of crap
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Goduckies said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-attacks-on-biden-s-ukraine-visit-are-worse-than-partisanship-they-really-want-russia-to-win/ar-AA17Nb7V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7eb5499a960c4c558c276a56e8977d6c

    To most people, both at home and abroad, the purpose of President Joe Biden's recent trip to Ukraine is not mysterious: The United States would like the nation to prevail in its war against Russia's invading army, and this show of support is valuable for moralizing Ukraine's supporters while demoralizing Russian President Vladimir Putin. Far-right Republicans, on the other hand, tied themselves into knots in trying to diss Biden without coming right out and saying they want Ukraine to lose.


    Some, like the American Nazi supporters of WWII, tried to package their stance as mere isolationism. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, for instance, exploited the Ohio train wreck catastrophe to argue "Biden is ditching America for Ukraine." Others, like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, went full incoherence, raving, "[I]t's becoming more like a U.S.- China war through the Ukraine — Russia war." And some went for puerile race-baiting, such as Rep. Greg Murphy yelling about "the war zone [Biden] created at our southern border." (In reality, the refugee crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border was created by Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies that Biden has been prevented from fixing by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court.)

    There's a deeper reason why so many Republicans are going out of their way to undermine American support for Ukraine.

    Perhaps the biggest show of pretzel logic came courtesy of Florida's GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, who tried to leverage the past year's successes against Russia as evidence that the U.S. should drop the support for Ukraine. "I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power," he said of Russia on Fox News, as if that justified rolling over and letting Putin take Ukraine.



    . . . It's because they agree with Putin's anti-democracy cause and share his hopes that defeating Ukraine will demoralize pro-democracy forces around the world.

    What a load of crap
    Warmonger Left. Where did all the peacekeepers go? They loved the 60’s-70’s Commies supplying the Viet Cong.