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Just when you thought Seattle couldn’t get any worse

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    jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,572
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    Hey Hyndai!!!! Didn’t you know you are the source of the crime problem! You jerks!!!!
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    HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,520
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    At least they / them Mark Dones doesn't want to spend $3.5 billion a year on homelessness. Oh wait...
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,879
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    This guy was literally seconds from toppling the U.S. government and installing himself as King.
    The DOJ can't find Ray Epps who at least deserves a few nights in a halfway house, but the dazzler tells us that equal treatment before the law is very important to him, just not a voting issue.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    This guy was literally seconds from toppling the U.S. government and installing himself as King.
    The DOJ can't find Ray Epps who at least deserves a few nights in a halfway house, but the dazzler tells us that equal treatment before the law is very important to him, just not a voting issue.
    Wherever Epps may be, Dazzler will be hanging off him like a fish that swallowed the lure.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    BTW, auto theft and smashed windows are rampant in my area right now. And it's not even warm and light out past 5 yet.

    This summer is going to be a fucking shit-fest.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    As the city leaders hand-wring over what to do about the loss of Niketown, I propose they replace it with public hangings for catalytic converter thieves in Westlake Park. I'm sure it would be a great draw for tourists.

    But Seattle's Intersectional Far-Left Queer Army would do their best to coddle the criminals and tear down the nooses, claiming racism, of course.

    But since the French aren't very organized in the PNW, I think guillotines would solve the problem since nobody considers the French as a race.

    They're all just white people. Problem solved.
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,879
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    It's the urban doom loop. You would think this was incredibly obvious but blue politicians live in a dream world where their policies dramatically decrease the desirability of urban living while they pretend that its making cities more attractive. So proud of their lockdowns, vaxx mandates, homeless subsidies and defunding the police and letting criminals go free because they care more. Geezus.

    https://ace.mu.nu/

    How New York Stopped Fearing the Urban Doom Loop and Learned to Love It
    —Lamont the Big Dummy
    John Sexton has written about the "urban doom loop" which may kill all the blue cities.

    Covid sends the high-wage workers back to their suburban homes, which kills the restaurant and retail and entertainment industries of the city, which is the entire point of even living in or near a city in the first place, and as those businesses die, people realize there is no reason remaining to be in the city, and begin a mass emigration away that kills the cities.

    The Democrats' embrace of violence, crime, and chaos as acceptable substitutes for restaurants, shopping, and entertainment obviously isn't helping. Covid took away all the advantages for living in the city, and then the Summer of St. George unleashed all the disadvantages of living in the city, with a vengeance.

    Even the New York Times worries about the "urban doom loop," when they're not doing their level best to accelerate it.

    Scholars are increasingly voicing concern that the shift to working from home, spurred by the Covid pandemic, will bring the three-decade renaissance of major cities to a halt, setting off an era of urban decay. They cite an exodus of the affluent, a surge in vacant offices and storefronts, and the prospect of declining property taxes and public transit revenues.
    Insofar as fear of urban crime grows, as the number of homeless people increases and as the fiscal ability of government to address these problems shrinks, the amenities of city life are very likely to diminish.

    The prospect of an "urban doom loop" was discussed by economists in a paper called, "Work From Home and the Office Real Estate Apocalypse."

    One of the authors explained that their paper...

    ...emphasizes the possibility of an "urban doom loop" by which decline of work in the center business district results in less foot traffic and consumption, which adversely affects the urban core in a variety of ways (less eyes on the street, so more crime; less consumption; less commuting) thereby lowering municipal revenues and also making it more challenging to provide public goods and services absent tax increases. These challenges will predominantly hit blue cities in the coming years.
    New York City's real estate values have taken a real hit -- as have all the nation's cities' real estate values.

    In their paper, the three authors "revalue the stock of New York City commercial office buildings taking into account pandemic-induced cash flow and discount rate effects. We find a 45 percent decline in office values in 2020 and 39 percent in the longer run, the latter representing a $453 billion value destruction."
    Extrapolating to all properties in the United States, Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh write, the "total decline in commercial office valuation might be around $518.71 billion in the short run and $453.64 billion in the long run."

    This will provoke a crisis in city's budgets, creating a fiscal doom loop: Everything in cities will cost more and more, and you'll get less and less in return.

    For example, the share of real estate taxes in N.Y.C.'s budget was 53 percent in 2020, 24 percent of which comes from office and retail property taxes. Given budget balance requirements, the fiscal hole left by declining central business district office and retail tax revenues would need to be plugged by raising tax rates or cutting government spending.
    Both would affect the attractiveness of the city as a place of residence and work. These dynamics risk activating a fiscal doom loop. With more people being able to separate the location of work and home, the migration elasticity to local tax rates and amenities may be larger than in the past.

    So: Is that happening?

    Why yes. Yes it is.
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    Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,583
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    It's the urban doom loop. You would think this was incredibly obvious but blue politicians live in a dream world where their policies dramatically decrease the desirability of urban living while they pretend that its making cities more attractive. So proud of their lockdowns, vaxx mandates, homeless subsidies and defunding the police and letting criminals go free because they care more. Geezus.

    https://ace.mu.nu/

    How New York Stopped Fearing the Urban Doom Loop and Learned to Love It
    —Lamont the Big Dummy
    John Sexton has written about the "urban doom loop" which may kill all the blue cities.

    Covid sends the high-wage workers back to their suburban homes, which kills the restaurant and retail and entertainment industries of the city, which is the entire point of even living in or near a city in the first place, and as those businesses die, people realize there is no reason remaining to be in the city, and begin a mass emigration away that kills the cities.

    The Democrats' embrace of violence, crime, and chaos as acceptable substitutes for restaurants, shopping, and entertainment obviously isn't helping. Covid took away all the advantages for living in the city, and then the Summer of St. George unleashed all the disadvantages of living in the city, with a vengeance.

    Even the New York Times worries about the "urban doom loop," when they're not doing their level best to accelerate it.

    Scholars are increasingly voicing concern that the shift to working from home, spurred by the Covid pandemic, will bring the three-decade renaissance of major cities to a halt, setting off an era of urban decay. They cite an exodus of the affluent, a surge in vacant offices and storefronts, and the prospect of declining property taxes and public transit revenues.
    Insofar as fear of urban crime grows, as the number of homeless people increases and as the fiscal ability of government to address these problems shrinks, the amenities of city life are very likely to diminish.

    The prospect of an "urban doom loop" was discussed by economists in a paper called, "Work From Home and the Office Real Estate Apocalypse."

    One of the authors explained that their paper...

    ...emphasizes the possibility of an "urban doom loop" by which decline of work in the center business district results in less foot traffic and consumption, which adversely affects the urban core in a variety of ways (less eyes on the street, so more crime; less consumption; less commuting) thereby lowering municipal revenues and also making it more challenging to provide public goods and services absent tax increases. These challenges will predominantly hit blue cities in the coming years.
    New York City's real estate values have taken a real hit -- as have all the nation's cities' real estate values.

    In their paper, the three authors "revalue the stock of New York City commercial office buildings taking into account pandemic-induced cash flow and discount rate effects. We find a 45 percent decline in office values in 2020 and 39 percent in the longer run, the latter representing a $453 billion value destruction."
    Extrapolating to all properties in the United States, Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh write, the "total decline in commercial office valuation might be around $518.71 billion in the short run and $453.64 billion in the long run."

    This will provoke a crisis in city's budgets, creating a fiscal doom loop: Everything in cities will cost more and more, and you'll get less and less in return.

    For example, the share of real estate taxes in N.Y.C.'s budget was 53 percent in 2020, 24 percent of which comes from office and retail property taxes. Given budget balance requirements, the fiscal hole left by declining central business district office and retail tax revenues would need to be plugged by raising tax rates or cutting government spending.
    Both would affect the attractiveness of the city as a place of residence and work. These dynamics risk activating a fiscal doom loop. With more people being able to separate the location of work and home, the migration elasticity to local tax rates and amenities may be larger than in the past.

    So: Is that happening?

    Why yes. Yes it is.


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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    Ironically, this is one of the last 100 or more you should've read, @Pitchfork51. Suburbs and popular small towns are not immune.
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    Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,583
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    Ironically, this is one of the last 100 or more you should've read, @Pitchfork51. Suburbs and popular small towns are not immune.

    The problem with being in a city is 1. There are only like 3 cool cities in the us and 2. The benefits have to outweigh the problems

    When you can just Uber whenever you feel like it for 15 bucks it's tough to justify
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,749
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    Ironically, this is one of the last 100 or more you should've read, @Pitchfork51. Suburbs and popular small towns are not immune.

    The problem with being in a city is 1. There are only like 3 cool cities in the us and 2. The benefits have to outweigh the problems

    When you can just Uber whenever you feel like it for 15 bucks it's tough to justify
    The more people in a given area, the more demand, the higher the C.O.L., etc., etc. If you really want to see what too many rats crammed in a box will act like, spend some time on NextDoor.com.

    There are a couple eunuchs in my neighborhood who possess bigger cunts than 100 amazons, and they are the first to spout the "urbanist" position on everything from outlawing cars on many streets, taxing the fuck out of everyone to pay for other people's mental health - which is mostly just an excuse for anti-social, shitty behavior like looting, stealing, assaulting people, robbing grandmas, etc., etc. - and how it's immoral not to provide free food and housing to the POSs in rotting motor homes and filthy tents, and who refuse housing offers because they don't allow drug use.

    Fuck them all. I hope the next King Tide that hits Alki Beach washes away 100 RVs and their occupants.
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,879
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    Last September, we spent some time in Tiburon, CA Marin County on the San Francisco Bay. Pretty densely populated, with a population of about 9,000. A jewel of a downtown area with hotels, restaurants and shops. Easy to walk and lots of healthy looking white people riding their bikes down from the hills for coffee and a roll in the morning. Saw one black lady, a couple of asians and a few hispanics on the street. Not a homeless person in sight. Marin County voted 82% for the dementia patient in 2020. This is what rich stupid white people think the real world is like. They don't need to worry about how San Francisco is coming apart, open borders or crime and the homeless. It just doesn't show up in Tiburon. They can virtue signal all they want - at least for now. The entry price is a little steep however, but the lectures and votes about providing affordable housing for the homeless are there, as long as it's "somewhere else."


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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,811
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    When the homeless mentally ill drug addicts are allowed to establish their encampments and park their meth cook RVs in Medina will be they say something actually changes.

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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,811
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    When the homeless mentally ill drug addicts are allowed to establish their encampments and park their meth cook RVs in Medina will be they say the day something actually changes.

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    GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 5,347
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    Last September, we spent some time in Tiburon, CA Marin County on the San Francisco Bay. Pretty densely populated, with a population of about 9,000. A jewel of a downtown area with hotels, restaurants and shops. Easy to walk and lots of healthy looking white people riding their bikes down from the hills for coffee and a roll in the morning. Saw one black lady, a couple of asians and a few hispanics on the street. Not a homeless person in sight. Marin County voted 82% for the dementia patient in 2020. This is what rich stupid white people think the real world is like. They don't need to worry about how San Francisco is coming apart, open borders or crime and the homeless. It just doesn't show up in Tiburon. They can virtue signal all they want - at least for now. The entry price is a little steep however, but the lectures and votes about providing affordable housing for the homeless are there, as long as it's "somewhere else."


    They send their homeless to SF... i had a pick up in San Rafael to SF turns out it was a cop ordered an uber to send a young teen girl to a shelter in SF... another one in the system. Sad.
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