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One Glorious Improvement I Haven't Seen Celebrated Yet...

WoolleyDoog
WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,675 Founders Club
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Remember under Petersen where it seemed like there was a procedural penalty every fucking drive in his stupid complex offense with all the motion and bullshit and this year it seems like there hasn't been one other than some crowd noise related false starts? Best part was Pete's BS always created a play with a 3-6-yard gain window other than 2016 and DeBoer's is like an automatic first down usually even on 3rd and 10. Maybe it's Penix or Browning?
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,675 Founders Club
    Doogles said:

    I think the shifting is just more effective and purposeful.

    It was said earlier in the year, Deboer is running the offense Pete thought he was running.

    Also Penix is a better presnap Jesus than browning.

    The negative to this presnap diagnosis is we get a shit ton of delay of games/unnecessary timeouts.

    I think it's an area Grubb can improve, but if the tradeoff is the best 3rd conversion percentage, I'm ok if it takes a little longer to get it in.

    The good thing is I think most of the delay of game/timeouts are only going to be an issue really in actually loud road environments and sadly that's not a huge issue in the Pac-12 - was just Oregon and WSU really this year. Next yeah might only be Michigan State and USC.

    I was actually super encouraged with how well they were able to audible at Oregon and WSU with the noise too. I'm especially fine with burning time outs in the first half if it means they get the right play in.
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  • Sources
    Sources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,381 Founders Club
    AtomicDawg said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Browning was a natural athlete who tried to get by on sheer athleticism. Didn't study or watch film

    Penix is a gym rat who lives in the film room. A real lunch pail guy. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with his brain

    I have always said they should have moved browning to WR.
    Not many know this, but he was next man up after Ross and Pettis for returns
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,670
    RaceBannon said:

    Browning was a natural athlete who tried to get by on sheer athleticism. Didn't study or watch film

    Penix is a gym rat who lives in the film room. A real lunch pail guy. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with his brain

    Browning didn’t wear the wrist band? I’m hearing that is a factor…
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,683 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    Doogles said:

    I think the shifting is just more effective and purposeful.

    It was said earlier in the year, Deboer is running the offense Pete thought he was running.

    Also Penix is a better presnap Jesus than browning.

    The negative to this presnap diagnosis is we get a shit ton of delay of games/unnecessary timeouts.

    I think it's an area Grubb can improve, but if the tradeoff is the best 3rd conversion percentage, I'm ok if it takes a little longer to get it in.

    Well, shit @Doogles

    I didn't realize we were leading the cuntry in 3rd Down Conversion. Damn!
    http://www.cfbstats.com/2022/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category25/sort01.html
    I was an odd sensation this year with being able to assume we? would convert every 3rd down. Outside of PPG, I would assume that 3rd down conversion is the next most important metric for an offense. Maybe it's yards per play, I don't know. Paging @Logistics.
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  • Logistics
    Logistics Member Posts: 132
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Doogles said:

    I think the shifting is just more effective and purposeful.

    It was said earlier in the year, Deboer is running the offense Pete thought he was running.

    Also Penix is a better presnap Jesus than browning.

    The negative to this presnap diagnosis is we get a shit ton of delay of games/unnecessary timeouts.

    I think it's an area Grubb can improve, but if the tradeoff is the best 3rd conversion percentage, I'm ok if it takes a little longer to get it in.

    Well, shit @Doogles

    I didn't realize we were leading the cuntry in 3rd Down Conversion. Damn!
    http://www.cfbstats.com/2022/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category25/sort01.html
    I was an odd sensation this year with being able to assume we? would convert every 3rd down. Outside of PPG, I would assume that 3rd down conversion is the next most important metric for an offense. Maybe it's yards per play, I don't know. Paging @Logistics.
    Can't help on this matter. Maybe @plays3downs or @PlaybookStatisticsDawg could chime in.
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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Logistics said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Doogles said:

    I think the shifting is just more effective and purposeful.

    It was said earlier in the year, Deboer is running the offense Pete thought he was running.

    Also Penix is a better presnap Jesus than browning.

    The negative to this presnap diagnosis is we get a shit ton of delay of games/unnecessary timeouts.

    I think it's an area Grubb can improve, but if the tradeoff is the best 3rd conversion percentage, I'm ok if it takes a little longer to get it in.

    Well, shit @Doogles

    I didn't realize we were leading the cuntry in 3rd Down Conversion. Damn!
    http://www.cfbstats.com/2022/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category25/sort01.html
    I was an odd sensation this year with being able to assume we? would convert every 3rd down. Outside of PPG, I would assume that 3rd down conversion is the next most important metric for an offense. Maybe it's yards per play, I don't know. Paging @Logistics.
    Can't help on this matter. Maybe @plays3downs or @PlaybookStatisticsDawg could chime in.
    @StatsAreForLosersDawg ?
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,791 Swaye's Wigwam
    WoolleyDoog said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Doogles said:

    I think the shifting is just more effective and purposeful.

    It was said earlier in the year, Deboer is running the offense Pete thought he was running.

    Also Penix is a better presnap Jesus than browning.

    The negative to this presnap diagnosis is we get a shit ton of delay of games/unnecessary timeouts.

    I think it's an area Grubb can improve, but if the tradeoff is the best 3rd conversion percentage, I'm ok if it takes a little longer to get it in.

    Well, shit @Doogles

    I didn't realize we were leading the cuntry in 3rd Down Conversion. Damn!
    http://www.cfbstats.com/2022/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category25/sort01.html
    I was an odd sensation this year with being able to assume we? would convert every 3rd down. Outside of PPG, I would assume that 3rd down conversion is the next most important metric for an offense. Maybe it's yards per play, I don't know. Paging @Logistics.
    It's extra insane and impressive given they didn't really use Penix as a mobile QB at all. I feel like most college games I'm watching third and longs are mostly only converted with a QB affecting the play with their feet. Or maybe that's just every team playing the Huskies?

    Pete's 3rd and long offense = Let's do a play action even though they know we're not running on 3rd and 10, and then let's give only two really crowded route options the defense can cover both with one guy, almost guaranteeing a sack or throw away. Oh, and let's not really throw to our NFL tight ends.

    Current 3rd and long offense = Spread it out. Simple drop back with several simple spread out routes.

    I'd kill to see what they could have done with a Dissly or Otton this year.
    Petersen's passing game was definitely retarded. That was one red flag about him when he was hired. I saw how inept it was the last time BSU was at UW. The downfield routes were mostly conservative, extremely low percentage plays where the ball got lobbed out of bounds to avoid double coverage. BSU handed Sark that game by trying to lean on that when their RB started off the game making the UW defense look like a Sark defense.
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,777 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Browning was a natural athlete who tried to get by on sheer athleticism. Didn't study or watch film

    Penix is a gym rat who lives in the film room. A real lunch pail guy. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with his brain

    Big Penix is the type of guy you want to marry your daughter.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    chuck said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Doogles said:

    I think the shifting is just more effective and purposeful.

    It was said earlier in the year, Deboer is running the offense Pete thought he was running.

    Also Penix is a better presnap Jesus than browning.

    The negative to this presnap diagnosis is we get a shit ton of delay of games/unnecessary timeouts.

    I think it's an area Grubb can improve, but if the tradeoff is the best 3rd conversion percentage, I'm ok if it takes a little longer to get it in.

    Well, shit @Doogles

    I didn't realize we were leading the cuntry in 3rd Down Conversion. Damn!
    http://www.cfbstats.com/2022/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category25/sort01.html
    I was an odd sensation this year with being able to assume we? would convert every 3rd down. Outside of PPG, I would assume that 3rd down conversion is the next most important metric for an offense. Maybe it's yards per play, I don't know. Paging @Logistics.
    It's extra insane and impressive given they didn't really use Penix as a mobile QB at all. I feel like most college games I'm watching third and longs are mostly only converted with a QB affecting the play with their feet. Or maybe that's just every team playing the Huskies?

    Pete's 3rd and long offense = Let's do a play action even though they know we're not running on 3rd and 10, and then let's give only two really crowded route options the defense can cover both with one guy, almost guaranteeing a sack or throw away. Oh, and let's not really throw to our NFL tight ends.

    Current 3rd and long offense = Spread it out. Simple drop back with several simple spread out routes.

    I'd kill to see what they could have done with a Dissly or Otton this year.
    Petersen's passing game was definitely retarded. That was one red flag about him when he was hired. I saw how inept it was the last time BSU was at UW. The downfield routes were mostly conservative, extremely low percentage plays where the ball got lobbed out of bounds to avoid double coverage. BSU handed Sark that game by trying to lean on that when their RB started off the game making the UW defense look like a Sark defense.
    After getting tooled by Kap (ILTCHT), BSU dropped Pete’s Poison (TLTCIT) in 2013 for their version of no huddle Pistol. But it sucked without a 6-5 uber athlete at QB.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited December 2022
    Doogles said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Browning was a natural athlete who tried to get by on sheer athleticism. Didn't study or watch film

    Penix is a gym rat who lives in the film room. A real lunch pail guy. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with his brain

    Big Penix is the type of guy you want to marry your daughter.
    @RaceBannon work your photoshop magic!


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  • LawDawg1
    LawDawg1 Member Posts: 3,945
    edited December 2022
    MikeDamone said:

    Doogles said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Browning was a natural athlete who tried to get by on sheer athleticism. Didn't study or watch film

    Penix is a gym rat who lives in the film room. A real lunch pail guy. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with his brain

    Big Penix is the type of guy you want to marry your daughter.
    @RaceBannon work your photoshop magic!


    Everyone loved Sidney! Must have been his French sounding last name.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,323 Founders Club
    He only got downtrodden roles
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,496 Founders Club
    WoolleyDoog said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Doogles said:

    I think the shifting is just more effective and purposeful.

    It was said earlier in the year, Deboer is running the offense Pete thought he was running.

    Also Penix is a better presnap Jesus than browning.

    The negative to this presnap diagnosis is we get a shit ton of delay of games/unnecessary timeouts.

    I think it's an area Grubb can improve, but if the tradeoff is the best 3rd conversion percentage, I'm ok if it takes a little longer to get it in.

    Well, shit @Doogles

    I didn't realize we were leading the cuntry in 3rd Down Conversion. Damn!
    http://www.cfbstats.com/2022/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category25/sort01.html
    I was an odd sensation this year with being able to assume we? would convert every 3rd down. Outside of PPG, I would assume that 3rd down conversion is the next most important metric for an offense. Maybe it's yards per play, I don't know. Paging @Logistics.
    It's extra insane and impressive given they didn't really use Penix as a mobile QB at all. I feel like most college games I'm watching third and longs are mostly only converted with a QB affecting the play with their feet. Or maybe that's just every team playing the Huskies?

    Pete's 3rd and long offense = Let's do a play action even though they know we're not running on 3rd and 10, and then let's give only two really crowded route options the defense can cover both with one guy, almost guaranteeing a sack or throw away. Oh, and let's not really throw to our NFL tight ends.

    Current 3rd and long offense = Spread it out. Simple drop back with several simple spread out routes.

    I'd kill to see what they could have done with a Dissly or Otton this year.
    I'd kill to see Ross in this offense with that big Penix arm. Pettis could come too.
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,484
    LawDawg1 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Doogles said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Browning was a natural athlete who tried to get by on sheer athleticism. Didn't study or watch film

    Penix is a gym rat who lives in the film room. A real lunch pail guy. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with his brain

    Big Penix is the type of guy you want to marry your daughter.
    @RaceBannon work your photoshop magic!


    Everyone loved Sidney! Must have been his French sounding last name.
    I actually know someone who partied with him back in the day in Paris and said he was a fantastic gentleman. Yeah, I'm cool and know older ladies.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Gladstone said:

    Penix isn’t usually calling his own audibles I don’t think, that’s like 95%+ Grubb. I wish we had someone who could have yanked Browning’s chain though. There are many examples but I always think of Stanford ‘17 when Gaskin was unstoppable in the first half and Browning kept LOS changing to sideline OOB fades to Pettis. Killed crucial drives and momentum.

    TLDR but gave it a chin for Eva green
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,791 Swaye's Wigwam
    Gladstone said:

    Penix isn’t usually calling his own audibles I don’t think, that’s like 95%+ Grubb. I wish we had someone who could have yanked Browning’s chain though. There are many examples but I always think of Stanford ‘17 when Gaskin was unstoppable in the first half and Browning kept LOS changing to sideline OOB fades to Pettis. Killed crucial drives and momentum.

    The zero percentage, sideline fade was the most prominent weakness in Pete's offense. That's what let the Sark defense shut them down at Husky stadium after BSU came out and ran all over UW in their first couple of possessions.

    It was the one red flag people raised about Petersen when he was hired that worried me and it turned out to be a real issue.
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