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Who has the higher ceiling?

46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
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Trump or DeSantis. I'm going DeSantis because he can actually win suburban housewives and maybe some of the miserable unmarried women but those will probably go for hair gel guy in huge numbers. He can also appeal more so to other communities. If Trump is serious about winning he needs to change his tone quickly because he's already losing support with the DeSantis attacks.
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  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,006
    This is not even a debate after Tuesday. DeSantis CRUSHED it in Florida. Trump saw a ton of his endorsements flame out badly. Doesn't matter how right Trump is on issues, he's damaged goods and there's no way he can rehab his image enough to win an election at this point.
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 37,186 Standard Supporter
    edited November 2022
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    This is not even a debate after Tuesday. DeSantis CRUSHED it in Florida. Trump saw a ton of his endorsements flame out badly. Doesn't matter how right Trump is on issues, he's damaged goods and there's no way he can rehab his image enough to win an election at this point.

    Trump is 219-16 on endorsements. Hardly crushed, name a better record. He has a YUGE following.
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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,489 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    This is not even a debate after Tuesday. DeSantis CRUSHED it in Florida. Trump saw a ton of his endorsements flame out badly. Doesn't matter how right Trump is on issues, he's damaged goods and there's no way he can rehab his image enough to win an election at this point.

    Trump is 219-16 on endorsements. Hardly crushed, name a better record. He has a YUGE following.
    This isn't really a number that means anything. Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan were winning with or without Trump's endorsement for example. Kind of like the NCAA bracketology guys that claim they got 62 out of 64 projections right. When in reality they went like 50% because only the last 5 or so spots are even questionable.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 47,856
    Sledog said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    This is not even a debate after Tuesday. DeSantis CRUSHED it in Florida. Trump saw a ton of his endorsements flame out badly. Doesn't matter how right Trump is on issues, he's damaged goods and there's no way he can rehab his image enough to win an election at this point.

    Trump is 219-16 on endorsements. Hardly crushed, name a better record. He has a YUGE following.
    Bama plays Stetson before Auburn, too.

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  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member Posts: 8,343
    pawz said:

    Ballot farming Democrats.

    This. Unless more states adopt election integrity laws, the dem machine can manufacture all the votes they need to put any idiot they select in office.

    Need proof?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFgDLFBW9UM
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  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,006
    Bob_C said:

    Sledog said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    This is not even a debate after Tuesday. DeSantis CRUSHED it in Florida. Trump saw a ton of his endorsements flame out badly. Doesn't matter how right Trump is on issues, he's damaged goods and there's no way he can rehab his image enough to win an election at this point.

    Trump is 219-16 on endorsements. Hardly crushed, name a better record. He has a YUGE following.
    This isn't really a number that means anything. Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan were winning with or without Trump's endorsement for example. Kind of like the NCAA bracketology guys that claim they got 62 out of 64 projections right. When in reality they went like 50% because only the last 5 or so spots are even questionable.
    Yes, this is my point. The high-profile endorsements were hardly successful for Trump.
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  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,329 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    This is not even a debate after Tuesday. DeSantis CRUSHED it in Florida. Trump saw a ton of his endorsements flame out badly. Doesn't matter how right Trump is on issues, he's damaged goods and there's no way he can rehab his image enough to win an election at this point.

    Trump is 219-16 on endorsements. Hardly crushed, name a better record. He has a YUGE following.
    He didn't win the bowel game in PA.

    #WinnersWin

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,103 Founders Club
    Vance in Ohio was a big one

    Depends on Walker and Arizona whether he can claim half a natty

    If Trump endorsed candidates did poorly in purple states and they did that does not bode well for DeSantis regardless of his ceiling
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  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,006
    RaceBannon said:

    Vance in Ohio was a big one

    Depends on Walker and Arizona whether he can claim half a natty

    If Trump endorsed candidates did poorly in purple states and they did that does not bode well for DeSantis regardless of his ceiling

    Cocaine Mitch sucked it up and spent $30+ million to back Vance. Tough to say that Trump's backing was the difference there.
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,103 Founders Club
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Vance in Ohio was a big one

    Depends on Walker and Arizona whether he can claim half a natty

    If Trump endorsed candidates did poorly in purple states and they did that does not bode well for DeSantis regardless of his ceiling

    Cocaine Mitch sucked it up and spent $30+ million to back Vance. Tough to say that Trump's backing was the difference there.
    Trump made him do it

    Ryan ran against Trump/Vance

    You guys can't even give credit where its due

    Take away where Trump candidates won and he didn't have any
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,103 Founders Club
    Everyone of you said Walker was a shitty candidate who would cost the Senate

    What are you gonna say when he hangs 50 on Warnock?
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,103 Founders Club
    Bob_C said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Vance in Ohio was a big one

    Depends on Walker and Arizona whether he can claim half a natty

    If Trump endorsed candidates did poorly in purple states and they did that does not bode well for DeSantis regardless of his ceiling

    He also endorsed Lake and definitely did help her ascend. She did the rest, but he deserves some credit here. He clearly fucked up in PA, though that state is full on Venezuela at this point. The Senate is still very winnable though.

    Part of what is going on here is slow walking results to get Republicans to turn on each other in some sense, and that appears to be working. Had Lake, Kent, etc won on election night instead of election week, that narrative is harder to push. We are in a huge psyop at the moment.
    And its working

    The democrats are going to stick with the stay in the basement and don't debate gameplan because its easier just to trash the GOP candidate and the GOP will help do it
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  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member Posts: 8,343
    RaceBannon said:

    Bob_C said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Vance in Ohio was a big one

    Depends on Walker and Arizona whether he can claim half a natty

    If Trump endorsed candidates did poorly in purple states and they did that does not bode well for DeSantis regardless of his ceiling

    He also endorsed Lake and definitely did help her ascend. She did the rest, but he deserves some credit here. He clearly fucked up in PA, though that state is full on Venezuela at this point. The Senate is still very winnable though.

    Part of what is going on here is slow walking results to get Republicans to turn on each other in some sense, and that appears to be working. Had Lake, Kent, etc won on election night instead of election week, that narrative is harder to push. We are in a huge psyop at the moment.
    And its working

    The democrats are going to stick with the stay in the basement and don't debate gameplan because its easier just to trash the GOP candidate and the GOP will help do it

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  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member Posts: 8,343
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  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 7,930
    RaceBannon said:

    Vance in Ohio was a big one

    Depends on Walker and Arizona whether he can claim half a natty

    If Trump endorsed candidates did poorly in purple states and they did that does not bode well for DeSantis regardless of his ceiling

    And how much did the governor win by? 25 points Vance? 6
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  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 7,930
    edited November 2022
    Southerndawg said:

    Yup Mail in voting allows Ballot Harvesting which the Dems are good at. GOP needa to up their game on that.
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  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member Posts: 6,827
    edited November 2022
    Goduckies said:

    Southerndawg said:

    Yup Mail in voting allows Ballot Harvesting which the Dems are good at. GOP needa to up their game on that.
    [Citation Needed]
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    RaceBannon said:

    Everyone of you said Walker was a shitty candidate who would cost the Senate

    What are you gonna say when he hangs 50 on Warnock?

    I decent GOP candidate in GA would have polled as well as the Republican Gov. and the Republican Sec. of State, both of whom received over 53% of the vote.
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