Abortion and the election
I am cautious about the vote today. I don't trust the West Coast and rat policy that they can continue to accept votes until November 15th. This morning I am reading all sorts of declarations by rat pols that the counting will not be done for several days. That is a recipe for cheating. If you recall in 2020, all of the states that had delayed results skewed at the last minute to only rat candidates. Not one Republican won a delayed decision in a tight race.
In PA they had large mail in vote counts before anyone even had a chance to see the disastrous debate by Fetterman. The debate was delayed until the last minute so that all the rat votes could come in prior to fetterman being revealed to be the fraud that he is. It was a stroke of genius by the rats. Not as amazing as shutting down free speech during the 2020 election but clever all the same.
There will be some disappointments, but the House should be comfortably Rep. My circle of political junkies are split down party lines on the Senate with one exception and that is my friend who still works in the Senate. He is a democrat but he feels the Senate goes Rep, or at least that is the sentiment on the hill. He called it for Trump the day before the election and he was on The Bitch's team so who knows.
Let's just hope that Reps take over both halls of congress because just owning the House does nothing but tie up whacko rat legislation.
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Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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You are arguing both ends of this argument. Which is it?WestlinnDuck said:
Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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I was thinking about becoming a dem. Just practicing. In 2020 white college educated women voted about 55% for the dementia patient. We should be getting a 60% - 40% margin for republicans in any sane voting group at worst. Will see if we can get a serious flip out of the PMS housewife group.Bob_C said:
You are arguing both ends of this argument. Which is it?WestlinnDuck said:
Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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Anyone celebrating the murder of unborn children is a fucking evil fiend.
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El-oh-el. Ok.WestlinnDuck said:
Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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going by the title, I agree that the election is an abortion
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Day 1 is squash student loan forgiveness and throw it in the Potomac
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To be fair, politicians on either side don't have anything to do with the case in front of the SC. And there are a number of legal scholars - Including the sainted RBG who believed the case was on shaky ground from the get go. The libs did themselves no favors- unlimited abortion to the minute before birth is quite different than "safe, Legal, and Rare" which seemed to be the lefts mantra for quite a while. The left couldn't say no to the extreme wing of their party- unlimited abortion, drag shows for kids, and plumbers paying off philosophers student loans are driving independents away from voting dem.Bendintheriver said:There have been some pretty big voter registration additions since the SC ruled abortion as a state side issue. The overwhelming majority have probably been young rat women. As I said months ago, it is a very big issue for many, but I didn't believe it would win an election for the rats. My point is, Reps could have done without the decision prior to the election. Just think about how apathetic the rats would have been without their signature issue driving voter registration drives. If Reps win, how much more of a landslide would this be? There are many rats who believe this is the only issue that matters. Screw the shitty economy, the violence, the massive drug trade across our open border. To many rats nothing else matters (another reason we can never let them be in control again). This is about taking over all of congress not just the House. Did the timing of the decision hurt the Rep chances in the Senate?
I am cautious about the vote today. I don't trust the West Coast and rat policy that they can continue to accept votes until November 15th. This morning I am reading all sorts of declarations by rat pols that the counting will not be done for several days. That is a recipe for cheating. If you recall in 2020, all of the states that had delayed results skewed at the last minute to only rat candidates. Not one Republican won a delayed decision in a tight race.
In PA they had large mail in vote counts before anyone even had a chance to see the disastrous debate by Fetterman. The debate was delayed until the last minute so that all the rat votes could come in prior to fetterman being revealed to be the fraud that he is. It was a stroke of genius by the rats. Not as amazing as shutting down free speech during the 2020 election but clever all the same.
There will be some disappointments, but the House should be comfortably Rep. My circle of political junkies are split down party lines on the Senate with one exception and that is my friend who still works in the Senate. He is a democrat but he feels the Senate goes Rep, or at least that is the sentiment on the hill. He called it for Trump the day before the election and he was on The Bitch's team so who knows.
Let's just hope that Reps take over both halls of congress because just owning the House does nothing but tie up whacko rat legislation. -
So tell us Mellow, why are liberals so keen on taking kids to drag queen performances and having teachers talk about sexual orientation with 3rd graders?MelloDawg said:
El-oh-el. Ok.WestlinnDuck said:
Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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Because Progressives are fixated on their genitalia. Their entire being starts in their groin and works out from there. HTH. And they like to groom kids.SFGbob said:
So tell us Mellow, why are liberals so keen on taking kids to drag queen performances and having teachers talk about sexual orientation with 3rd graders?MelloDawg said:
El-oh-el. Ok.WestlinnDuck said:
Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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I like my genitalia as much as the next guy but I never felt the urge to talk about sex with kids.46XiJCAB said:
Because Progressives are fixated on their genitalia. Their entire being starts in their groin and works out from there. HTH. And they like to groom kids.SFGbob said:
So tell us Mellow, why are liberals so keen on taking kids to drag queen performances and having teachers talk about sexual orientation with 3rd graders?MelloDawg said:
El-oh-el. Ok.WestlinnDuck said:
Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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Best parents take showers with their daughters to give them something to write in their diaries.SFGbob said:
I like my genitalia as much as the next guy but I never felt the urge to talk about sex with kids.46XiJCAB said:
Because Progressives are fixated on their genitalia. Their entire being starts in their groin and works out from there. HTH. And they like to groom kids.SFGbob said:
So tell us Mellow, why are liberals so keen on taking kids to drag queen performances and having teachers talk about sexual orientation with 3rd graders?MelloDawg said:
El-oh-el. Ok.WestlinnDuck said:
Feels different this time. They phucked with their gas and food and then they phucked with their kids. Just phucking with the kids in Virginia cost them the governorship. Hard to ignore the inflation, the layoffs, dropping home prices and the blatant grooming of kids and the school closures. Tough to have the wine at lunch club with a bunch of screaming kids in the house rather than at school.Bob_C said:
These are the people you were never getting anyways is my theory.WestlinnDuck said:
Unless you are a PMS housewife or Snow, then all bets are off.Bob_C said:
They trick themselves into thinking it’s at the top of their list, but it’s only at the top of their list because it’s the highest ranking think that they think they have an advantage on. Actual independents rank the items first and then decide which side has a better plan for the issue.Pitchfork51 said:
They tend to take like minor political wins and then just harp on them and drag them out wayyy past people caring. then they get shocked when no one caresBendintheriver said:
I was reading an article on the impact of the January 6th shit show by rats. It was deemed to be the biggest waste of time ever. Rats drilled down on it, rigged the committee, spent millions all in an effort to help them win seats in the election. It has done zero. It is a non-issue. On a list of 25 issues that are of voter interest this cycle, it came in 24th.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
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I'm quoting myself, but need to call out myself for being wrong. See @Ozone, that's how you do it.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
It turns our that we have become so politically divided, that a state like Pennsylvania is willing to elect a Senator (I know he had a stroke) who isn't competent to hold office, while at the same time is on record for wanting to end fracking, while fracking is a huge portion of Pennsylvania's energy revenue. All because he had a fucking D next to his name. To qualify myself, I'll tell you exactly how I voted. I voted for both the Democrat Sentator and Rep (Wyden and Hoyle) in my area. Not because I like them very much, but because their opposition were horrible choices. But I did vote for Drazen (Republican) for the Governor position. My reasoning. Kotek went right in line with Kate Brown regarding the decriminalization of possession of small amounts of hard drugs, and turning a blind eye to the Oregon's urban mental health and homelessness problems (they are linked). All of which have created record levels of crime in this state. That decriminalization bill passed two years ago was supposed to be used to build mental health and drug rehabilitation centers throughout the state to combat this problem. Guess how many have been built? Or even in the planning process of being built? Yep, ZERO. It's not hard, but it does take a little bit of work to actually come to a reasonable conclusion of who you want to vote for, outside of party lines. -
I was wrong on this topic also. I was wrong to believe that women weren't cool being serfs as long as they can have abortions.greenblood said:
I'm quoting myself, but need to call out myself for being wrong. See @Ozone, that's how you do it.greenblood said:Most young women like most young people in general have little to no attention span. Only about 25% of those that registered will vote, if that much. It won’t make up for the loss of the Democratic base (or what used to be). The democrats can use Jan 6th, trump’s handling of classified information, Russia collusion, and abortion all they want. 80% of voters are voting on economy (inflation, stock market, supply chain issues), Homelessness (west coast for sure), and crime. Any other platform is a loser this time. Dems have no choice, because they are getting killed in these major talking points. And they can’t pivot. Look at how Fetterman tried to answer for his change in position on fracking. Dems can’t do it. They dug in too deep, and any change in platform won’t be taken at its word.
It turns our that we have become so politically divided, that a state like Pennsylvania is willing to elect a Senator (I know he had a stroke) who isn't competent to hold office, while at the same time is on record for wanting to end fracking, while fracking is a huge portion of Pennsylvania's energy revenue. All because he had a fucking D next to his name. To qualify myself, I'll tell you exactly how I voted. I voted for both the Democrat Sentator and Rep (Wyden and Hoyle) in my area. Not because I like them very much, but because their opposition were horrible choices. But I did vote for Drazen (Republican) for the Governor position. My reasoning. Kotek went right in line with Kate Brown regarding the decriminalization of possession of small amounts of hard drugs, and turning a blind eye to the Oregon's urban mental health and homelessness problems (they are linked). All of which have created record levels of crime in this state. That decriminalization bill passed two years ago was supposed to be used to build mental health and drug rehabilitation centers throughout the state to combat this problem. Guess how many have been built? Or even in the planning process of being built? Yep, ZERO. It's not hard, but it does take a little bit of work to actually come to a reasonable conclusion of who you want to vote for, outside of party lines. -
Look, if you don't really understand the issue, like most people, then fucking of course it's a huge issue. It would be like the SC ruling that the states can decide whether a woman can have a hysterectomy or a tit job. People here would go fucking nuts with that as an invasion of privacy.
But the point is that abortion is not like a hysterectomy or a tit job. It involves the rights of another person. That should by any sane measure of logic take it out of the state's hands and make it a constitutional matter at the federal level. Again, the SC didn't go far enough.
The problem is all of the people who went out and voted on abortion think of it as a privacy issue, like @pawz does. It has absolutely nothing to do with privacy, but you can't make everybody smart and thoughtful. The discussions on the matter on this board prove that conclusively.
So, in a way, those of you who champion this as a state's rights issue more or less are complicit in the voter turnout, because you are, by implication, supporting the notion that abortion can be viewed differently by different people. It can't. One group (mine) is right; everybody else is wrong. It's not a regional cultural thing. It's basic morality. Like it or not. -
The argument is bullet proof. Abortion is killing a biological fetus. The realty is that's not going to be mandated either across all states or at the federal level in mine, your or your kids' lifetims.creepycoug said:Look, if you don't really understand the issue, like most people, then fucking of course it's a huge issue. It would be like the SC ruling that the states can decide whether a woman can have a hysterectomy or a tit job. People here would go fucking nuts with that as an invasion of privacy.
But the point is that abortion is not like a hysterectomy or a tit job. It involves the rights of another person. That should by any sane measure of logic take it out of the state's hands and make it a constitutional matter at the federal level. Again, the SC didn't go far enough.
The problem is all of the people who went out and voted on abortion think of it as a privacy issue, like @pawz does. It has absolutely nothing to do with privacy, but you can't make everybody smart and thoughtful. The discussions on the matter on this board prove that conclusively.
So, in a way, those of you who champion this as a state's rights issue more or less are complicit in the voter turnout, because you are, by implication, supporting the notion that abortion can be viewed differently by different people. It can't. One group (mine) is right; everybody else is wrong. It's not a regional cultural thing. It's basic morality. Like it or not.
So one can die on the sword of Yes or No and be forced to watch as full term abortions are performed when the other side triumphs. Or one can put some reasonable fences around the barbarism at, say, 15 weeks and then win hearts and minds.
Me and God will work that out at the pearly gates.
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Person.PurpleThrobber said:
The argument is bullet proof. Abortion is killing a biological fetus. The realty is that's not going to be mandated either across all states or at the federal level in mine, your or your kids' lifetims.creepycoug said:Look, if you don't really understand the issue, like most people, then fucking of course it's a huge issue. It would be like the SC ruling that the states can decide whether a woman can have a hysterectomy or a tit job. People here would go fucking nuts with that as an invasion of privacy.
But the point is that abortion is not like a hysterectomy or a tit job. It involves the rights of another person. That should by any sane measure of logic take it out of the state's hands and make it a constitutional matter at the federal level. Again, the SC didn't go far enough.
The problem is all of the people who went out and voted on abortion think of it as a privacy issue, like @pawz does. It has absolutely nothing to do with privacy, but you can't make everybody smart and thoughtful. The discussions on the matter on this board prove that conclusively.
So, in a way, those of you who champion this as a state's rights issue more or less are complicit in the voter turnout, because you are, by implication, supporting the notion that abortion can be viewed differently by different people. It can't. One group (mine) is right; everybody else is wrong. It's not a regional cultural thing. It's basic morality. Like it or not.
So one can die on the sword of Yes or No and be forced to watch as full term abortions are performed when the other side triumphs. Or one can put some reasonable fences around the barbarism at, say, 15 weeks and then win hearts and minds.
Me and God will work that out at the pearly gates.
Fair enough, but given the nature of the particularly misunderstand of abortion, it's set up as a government overreach matter, and that doesn't bode well for elections, which is what this place cares about.
That's all I'm saying. The way the issue has been framed, it should surprise nobody that people got out and voted on it as an issue. -
Because it is set up as an election issue, the more reasonable approach is to get it OFF the agenda as an election issue and find a compromised solution.creepycoug said:
Person.PurpleThrobber said:
The argument is bullet proof. Abortion is killing a biological fetus. The realty is that's not going to be mandated either across all states or at the federal level in mine, your or your kids' lifetims.creepycoug said:Look, if you don't really understand the issue, like most people, then fucking of course it's a huge issue. It would be like the SC ruling that the states can decide whether a woman can have a hysterectomy or a tit job. People here would go fucking nuts with that as an invasion of privacy.
But the point is that abortion is not like a hysterectomy or a tit job. It involves the rights of another person. That should by any sane measure of logic take it out of the state's hands and make it a constitutional matter at the federal level. Again, the SC didn't go far enough.
The problem is all of the people who went out and voted on abortion think of it as a privacy issue, like @pawz does. It has absolutely nothing to do with privacy, but you can't make everybody smart and thoughtful. The discussions on the matter on this board prove that conclusively.
So, in a way, those of you who champion this as a state's rights issue more or less are complicit in the voter turnout, because you are, by implication, supporting the notion that abortion can be viewed differently by different people. It can't. One group (mine) is right; everybody else is wrong. It's not a regional cultural thing. It's basic morality. Like it or not.
So one can die on the sword of Yes or No and be forced to watch as full term abortions are performed when the other side triumphs. Or one can put some reasonable fences around the barbarism at, say, 15 weeks and then win hearts and minds.
Me and God will work that out at the pearly gates.
Fair enough, but given the nature of the particularly misunderstand of abortion, it's set up as a government overreach matter, and that doesn't bode well for elections, which is what this place cares about.
That's all I'm saying. The way the issue has been framed, it should surprise nobody that people got out and voted on it as an issue.
But there's no grift in that.
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Abortion was legal before Roe v Wade and is still legal
The GOP ran for 50 years on the decision being an over reach and a right to privacy that doesn't exist. Covid actually proved that there is no right to bodily privacy after street cameras and the rest proved there is no EXPECTATION of privacy in most places
It was theoretical or 50 years. The Christian revival of the 80's latched on to the GOP to change the court and the law. The pro death crowd latched on to the democrats to protect the right to choose death. Moderates said kill to a point then stop at 3 months - the majority view allegedly
No one really thought it would ever change anyway. The Supremes are loathe to change rulings. The fact that it changed with TRUMP judges after the left was already insane was a tipping point
It's like gun control. Nothing will really happen but if it did the GOP would win elections for years
The fact that states like Washington and Patti Murray ran on abortion when it isn't going anywhere is an indictment of the intelligence of voters but losers always say the other side is stupid.
Not sure how many elections can be based on protecting abortion but we'll find out -
Fetterman ran on a Dr. Oz is going to take away your right to an abortion theme.RaceBannon said:Abortion was legal before Roe v Wade and is still legal
The GOP ran for 50 years on the decision being an over reach and a right to privacy that doesn't exist. Covid actually proved that there is no right to bodily privacy after street cameras and the rest proved there is no EXPECTATION of privacy in most places
It was theoretical or 50 years. The Christian revival of the 80's latched on to the GOP to change the court and the law. The pro death crowd latched on to the democrats to protect the right to choose death. Moderates said kill to a point then stop at 3 months - the majority view allegedly
No one really thought it would ever change anyway. The Supremes are loathe to change rulings. The fact that it changed with TRUMP judges after the left was already insane was a tipping point
It's like gun control. Nothing will really happen but if it did the GOP would win elections for years
The fact that states like Washington and Patti Murray ran on abortion when it isn't going anywhere is an indictment of the intelligence of voters but losers always say the other side is stupid.
Not sure how many elections can be based on protecting abortion but we'll find out
Dr. Oz could no more do that than walk to the moon.
Stupid Philadelphians believed it.
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I agree with all that. I'm just sayin' ... when you're right, you're right. And I'm right. Strategery? Of course, it's terrible for that for the reasons I gave: even if privacy is made up and expectations have been lowered, or should have been lowered, it doesn't get more private than what goes on between your legs. That's how the pink hats think of it, that's how most moderates think of it and that's how probably a majority of secular conservatives think of it as well. They are, all of them, grossly misinformed, but the aim of politics is rarely if ever to do the right thing. So now you're maybe a person in Texas, definitely a person in Alabama or Arkansas or wherever, and for sure not a person in Warshington. Some country we have here. And, no, I'm not leaving unless I want to.RaceBannon said:Abortion was legal before Roe v Wade and is still legal
The GOP ran for 50 years on the decision being an over reach and a right to privacy that doesn't exist. Covid actually proved that there is no right to bodily privacy after street cameras and the rest proved there is no EXPECTATION of privacy in most places
It was theoretical or 50 years. The Christian revival of the 80's latched on to the GOP to change the court and the law. The pro death crowd latched on to the democrats to protect the right to choose death. Moderates said kill to a point then stop at 3 months - the majority view allegedly
No one really thought it would ever change anyway. The Supremes are loathe to change rulings. The fact that it changed with TRUMP judges after the left was already insane was a tipping point
It's like gun control. Nothing will really happen but if it did the GOP would win elections for years
The fact that states like Washington and Patti Murray ran on abortion when it isn't going anywhere is an indictment of the intelligence of voters but losers always say the other side is stupid.
Not sure how many elections can be based on protecting abortion but we'll find out -
I'm pro choice, but I'm not pro tax payer dollars being spent on it. In cases of rape, incest, or where medical complications show that there's a high chance of the mother dying from labor (Can't make somebody sacrifice their own life for another) then I'm cool with my money going to that. But outside of that, I consider it elective surgery, and in that case, either get insurance that will pay for it, or strong supporters should put their money where their mouths are, and give additional funds to Planned Parenthood or create a separate privately funded foundation.creepycoug said:Look, if you don't really understand the issue, like most people, then fucking of course it's a huge issue. It would be like the SC ruling that the states can decide whether a woman can have a hysterectomy or a tit job. People here would go fucking nuts with that as an invasion of privacy.
But the point is that abortion is not like a hysterectomy or a tit job. It involves the rights of another person. That should by any sane measure of logic take it out of the state's hands and make it a constitutional matter at the federal level. Again, the SC didn't go far enough.
The problem is all of the people who went out and voted on abortion think of it as a privacy issue, like @pawz does. It has absolutely nothing to do with privacy, but you can't make everybody smart and thoughtful. The discussions on the matter on this board prove that conclusively.
So, in a way, those of you who champion this as a state's rights issue more or less are complicit in the voter turnout, because you are, by implication, supporting the notion that abortion can be viewed differently by different people. It can't. One group (mine) is right; everybody else is wrong. It's not a regional cultural thing. It's basic morality. Like it or not. -
JFC. Elective surgery. Like a tit job. Nice.greenblood said:
I'm pro choice, but I'm not pro tax payer dollars being spent on it. In cases of rape, incest, or where medical complications show that there's a high chance of the mother dying from labor (Can't make somebody sacrifice their own life for another) then I'm cool with my money going to that. But outside of that, I consider it elective surgery, and in that case, either get insurance that will pay for it, or strong supporters should put their money where their mouths are, and give additional funds to Planned Parenthood or create a separate privately funded foundation.creepycoug said:Look, if you don't really understand the issue, like most people, then fucking of course it's a huge issue. It would be like the SC ruling that the states can decide whether a woman can have a hysterectomy or a tit job. People here would go fucking nuts with that as an invasion of privacy.
But the point is that abortion is not like a hysterectomy or a tit job. It involves the rights of another person. That should by any sane measure of logic take it out of the state's hands and make it a constitutional matter at the federal level. Again, the SC didn't go far enough.
The problem is all of the people who went out and voted on abortion think of it as a privacy issue, like @pawz does. It has absolutely nothing to do with privacy, but you can't make everybody smart and thoughtful. The discussions on the matter on this board prove that conclusively.
So, in a way, those of you who champion this as a state's rights issue more or less are complicit in the voter turnout, because you are, by implication, supporting the notion that abortion can be viewed differently by different people. It can't. One group (mine) is right; everybody else is wrong. It's not a regional cultural thing. It's basic morality. Like it or not.
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Dims are dumb as are their voters. Sending it back to the states was the correct decision. This bullshit that it was a right to murder the unborn was fabricated by the left but many grew up being told that lie. The baby is a seperate whole person and the murder of children shouldn't be fucking legal!
