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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,755 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    And if the shitty candidate Walker survives the smears and attacks and beats the wife beater then the case is fucking closed

    Other than wanting a GOP seat in the Senate idgaf who wins. That said, the video Walker's kid put out regarding his parental skills was brutal. Fucking brutal.

    That's why you never invest personally in any candidate
    We definitely agree on this
    Should vote based on policy issues and competence. That excludes every dem politician.
    I agree that directionally one should always evaluate candidates based on their policy and some level of baseline competence. What candidate that falls under for a given person is up to their value system.

    A good example to me with Dems is tied to their view for energy ...

    I'm all for the idea of evaluating cleaner energy sources and whatnot ... but what I am against is putting an artificial timeline on those ideas that could lead to an outcome where it's "ready or not" with the technology, application, etc.

    Solutions to most things aren't linear and require more of a comprehensive solution than most care to admit
    The government tends to get in the way. There is no doubt that by around 1960 or so our water and air was in bad shape. With some direction from the government like the Nixon EPA (people forget) and clean air and water acts private industry cleaned up their act with innovation and efficiency that kept the lights on and the cars fueled

    All good with me. I'm not a zealot on NO regulation. The problem is that by now the EPA is looking at mud puddles on farms. Nothing goes away or gets smaller

    I agree that it is insane to mandate nor IC cars by set date. And it's irresponsible to tout "green" energies without being honest about the cost. Carbon and Nukes remain the best option by far. When they aren't we'll know it. The government didn't have to build gas stations. And the people wanted roads that were built with what amounts to a use tax

    Energy is probably issue #1 for me because it effects so much else
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    This was a fun thread.

    Trump had his chance. Couldn't do it. Loser! Sad!

    I have an unarticulated hunch that Democrats will win presidency in 2024. GOP will flail about with more vengeance than accountability for the next 18 months. For example, they'll haul in Fauci and browbeat for fundraising and political scalp hunting, but won't have the goods squared away to do anything of substance.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,962 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    And if the shitty candidate Walker survives the smears and attacks and beats the wife beater then the case is fucking closed

    Other than wanting a GOP seat in the Senate idgaf who wins. That said, the video Walker's kid put out regarding his parental skills was brutal. Fucking brutal.

    That's why you never invest personally in any candidate
    We definitely agree on this
    Should vote based on policy issues and competence. That excludes every dem politician.
    I agree that directionally one should always evaluate candidates based on their policy and some level of baseline competence. What candidate that falls under for a given person is up to their value system.

    A good example to me with Dems is tied to their view for energy ...

    I'm all for the idea of evaluating cleaner energy sources and whatnot ... but what I am against is putting an artificial timeline on those ideas that could lead to an outcome where it's "ready or not" with the technology, application, etc.

    Solutions to most things aren't linear and require more of a comprehensive solution than most care to admit
    JFK said we could go to the moon by the end of the decade. But we already had rocket technology. We just needed a bigger rocket. We built a nuclear bomb in less than four years with the Manhattan project. But it was basically refining enough Uranium 235 to create a critical mass driven together with conventional explosives. We are basically at the physical limitations with wind turbines and getting close with solar panels. All the easy fixes have been made. Battery technology will improve, but it still is massively expensive and the energy density of a battery is almost negligible compared to gasoline. Energy density is a 100 times greater in gasoline than a lithium battery. So a gallon of gas weighs 6 lbs. To get the same amount of energy out of a battery, you need a 600 lbs battery. Offsetting this disparity is that an ICE is 20% to 30% efficient versus up to 90% efficient for EV battery. From a performance standard, EVs won't be financially competitive or have the necessary range for a lot of consumers. As Tequila says there is no timeline for this to happen. Certainly not by 2030 or 2035. Like I said, dems have shitty policies and are incompetent.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 69,922 Founders Club
    edited October 2022

    This was a fun thread.

    Trump had his chance. Couldn't do it. Loser! Sad!

    I have an unarticulated hunch that Democrats will win presidency in 2024. GOP will flail about with more vengeance than accountability for the next 18 months. For example, they'll haul in Fauci and browbeat for fundraising and political scalp hunting, but won't have the goods squared away to do anything of substance.

    I could not disagree with you more. I hold your intelligence in high regard so this belief of yours completely baffles me.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    This was a fun thread.

    Trump had his chance. Couldn't do it. Loser! Sad!

    I have an unarticulated hunch that Democrats will win presidency in 2024. GOP will flail about with more vengeance than accountability for the next 18 months. For example, they'll haul in Fauci and browbeat for fundraising and political scalp hunting, but won't have the goods squared away to do anything of substance.

    I could not disagree with you more. I hold your intelligence in high regard so this belief of yours completely baffles me.
    Thank you, and hurtful...?
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    This was a fun thread.

    Trump had his chance. Couldn't do it. Loser! Sad!

    I have an unarticulated hunch that Democrats will win presidency in 2024. GOP will flail about with more vengeance than accountability for the next 18 months. For example, they'll haul in Fauci and browbeat for fundraising and political scalp hunting, but won't have the goods squared away to do anything of substance.

    The establishment GOP would be happy with this playbook. In that I don't disagree.

    Too many people that aren't happy with the establishment and too many people moving into the big tent of America First imo. Center right populism is continuing to grow not shrink regardless of your opinion of Trump himself as a figure of it. He's simply the supply, the demand is there and growing.
    We shall see how competent these new folks are. My expectations are low.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,755 Founders Club
    @GrundleStiltzkin is a sneaky fast troll and he doesn't care for Trump because Grundle isn't a liberal like I am.

    But looking at the shitshow that is Biden and still complaining about Trump or DeSantis who IS Trump according to experts will never make sense to me

    Yet I have said that the democrats have the home court advantage and this illustrates it. They never have to defend the shit they put out there and they make the GOP have to defend everything and disavow anyone that threatens the left

    Trump won and lost. The entire GOP is a bunch of losers if they don't change their stupid ways. That's a major appeal of Trump. Stop fucking apologizing for what you believe and get out there and fight for it

    Perfect is the enemy of good enough. The democrats understand that

    And nobody is making the left pay for how they fucked this country in 2020. That pisses me off. Let's blame Trump instead

    MALARKEY
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    @GrundleStiltzkin is a sneaky fast troll and he doesn't care for Trump because Grundle isn't a liberal like I am.

    But looking at the shitshow that is Biden and still complaining about Trump or DeSantis who IS Trump according to experts will never make sense to me

    Yet I have said that the democrats have the home court advantage and this illustrates it. They never have to defend the shit they put out there and they make the GOP have to defend everything and disavow anyone that threatens the left

    Trump won and lost. The entire GOP is a bunch of losers if they don't change their stupid ways. That's a major appeal of Trump. Stop fucking apologizing for what you believe and get out there and fight for it

    Perfect is the enemy of good enough. The democrats understand that

    And nobody is making the left pay for how they fucked this country in 2020. That pisses me off. Let's blame Trump instead

    MALARKEY

    DIMS are forming a committee to find out who is responsible for school closures during COVID. Republicans are just not smart enough to pull off BS like this but then they don't have a compliant media doing their bidding either.

    Just an example of how the DIMS create a problem, gaslight that fact and then pretend they're the ones who will get to the bottom of it and make it better so it never happens again.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    @GrundleStiltzkin is a sneaky fast troll and he doesn't care for Trump because Grundle isn't a liberal like I am.

    But looking at the shitshow that is Biden and still complaining about Trump or DeSantis who IS Trump according to experts will never make sense to me

    Yet I have said that the democrats have the home court advantage and this illustrates it. They never have to defend the shit they put out there and they make the GOP have to defend everything and disavow anyone that threatens the left

    Trump won and lost. The entire GOP is a bunch of losers if they don't change their stupid ways. That's a major appeal of Trump. Stop fucking apologizing for what you believe and get out there and fight for it

    Perfect is the enemy of good enough. The democrats understand that

    And nobody is making the left pay for how they fucked this country in 2020. That pisses me off. Let's blame Trump instead

    MALARKEY

    Personally, I'm only talking about Trump in a 2024 context. I can never square for myself the dichotomous narratives of Trump The Great & Powerful / Trump The Victim Of The Establishment. But that's old news now.

    Fuck the establishment is all well and good. However, those people know how to get things done, or often as not, not get things done. I think DeSantis fits into that far better than Trump.


    ps, as @Tequilla poonted out again here, the specter of Trump is the best & almost only thing the democrats have going for them.