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Pay attention you 'tards ... Wattenberg Vs Sarell

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Everyone talked shit about Watty ... yeah, he didn't exactly set the world on fire ... but ....

- he was a 5th round pick
- made the Broncos final roster as the 2nd string Center. Made the fucking roster!



as opposed to our favorite whipping boy, Foster.

- didn't even get fucking drafted.
- just got cut and looking for a job. Maybe those Stanford connections can get him hooked up. At least Leatherwood got released too ...



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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,662 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Rams love the Huskies

    I could see McVay running a Chris Petersen random number generator offense with OKG's at the college level.
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,033 Founders Club
    edited August 2022
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Should have seen this coming with Fozzy when he was at the 2016 Stanford game and still wanted to go to Stanford. Should have been like Charles Frederick when he was at the 2000 Miami game and was like how do I not play here?

    At best, guess he just really wanted to play school more than football and hope that works out.

    Shelton had worked his way to backup center for the Rams the past couple of seasons. Good on him. Was always a tough player and I'm not surprised.

    With the amount of UW players like Watty who got drafted and how well UW UDFAs have done in the league recently makes me think people around the league thought the Pete guys make good pros. Too bad it was racist. I hope the players and families who listened to that pitch and went elsewhere have all been drafted and made the most of their pro careers.
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  • StateChampWereU
    StateChampWereU Member Posts: 39
    Didn't Sarell want to be a doctor
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,230 Founders Club
    Doogles said:

    Including Tight Ends, the OL used to maul people in the early Pete days.

    Dissly, Sample, Darrell Daniels, Harris, shelton, Twatt, Mcgary, and even eldenkramp earned at least a cup of coffee.

    And the best of the bunch at the time was Adams who never returned to form(still got a little cup from the Bills).

    Edit: It's worth noting how stacked 2016 was. It's crazy to say, but they under achieved in a lot of ways. We didn't realize how broken Pete's offense was until the bottom fell out.

    SC and Bama were both winnable with better gameplan.

    There was two positions they missed on, big WR and RG. N’keal Harry and Sean Harlow they had just missed on IIRC and those two may have put them over the top. You could argue a pass rusher but they got by with what they had
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  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245
    edited August 2022
    Forgot to mention that I think the underlying reason(s) why Watty is on the final roster is because of his positional flexibility based on his:

    - durability through college = reliability. Something like the old saying that "the best ability is availability"
    - he played through the whole line in college plus he iirc settled for more center reps at the end of his college career? That's a bigger plus.
    - in today's NFL where maximizing your roster for the best chance for team success, being a GM is like being a top shelf stats guy (moved away from the old school Jon Gruden types) ... having a Watty type on the o-line gets you extra gravy/brownie points. You probably should one type of player that has those qualities for each major position group.
    - lastly, this leads into the I/R management strategy.

    the "not great but not bad" skillset of Watty gave him greater protection from roster changes compared to the likes of Alex Leatherwood.

    Leatherwood probably a degree better than Watty, from an athletic standpoint, but his poor play got his QB killed more often hence Leatherwood being released - because they just can't afford brain farts leading to a QB IR situation. Guess who drafted Leatherwood? ... Gruden.





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  • StateChampWereU
    StateChampWereU Member Posts: 39
    TheHB said:

    If only UW had one of the top-rated medical schools, we might be able to compete.

    Yep; that excuse always seemed lame
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  • justthrowitinthebag
    justthrowitinthebag Member Posts: 150
    It's almost like most players that go to Stanford don't have football as priority as #1....which you have to have if you want to make to the NFL.
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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,990
    iDawg said:

    Doogles said:

    Including Tight Ends, the OL used to maul people in the early Pete days.

    Dissly, Sample, Darrell Daniels, Harris, shelton, Twatt, Mcgary, and even eldenkramp earned at least a cup of coffee.

    And the best of the bunch at the time was Adams who never returned to form(still got a little cup from the Bills).

    Edit: It's worth noting how stacked 2016 was. It's crazy to say, but they under achieved in a lot of ways. We didn't realize how broken Pete's offense was until the bottom fell out.

    SC and Bama were both winnable with better gameplan.

    … if this isn’t an iron law, it should be. Your worst player can’t be your QB. You will underachieve. If your best player is your QB, over achievement is common. Too many instances to even mention.

    Yes, Pete’s offense sucked, but the QB made it much worse.
    What about RB? Gaskin carried the offense during his career here
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,836
    iDawg said:

    Doogles said:

    Including Tight Ends, the OL used to maul people in the early Pete days.

    Dissly, Sample, Darrell Daniels, Harris, shelton, Twatt, Mcgary, and even eldenkramp earned at least a cup of coffee.

    And the best of the bunch at the time was Adams who never returned to form(still got a little cup from the Bills).

    Edit: It's worth noting how stacked 2016 was. It's crazy to say, but they under achieved in a lot of ways. We didn't realize how broken Pete's offense was until the bottom fell out.

    SC and Bama were both winnable with better gameplan.

    … if this isn’t an iron law, it should be. Your worst player can’t be your QB. You will underachieve. If your best player is your QB, over achievement is common. Too many instances to even mention.

    Yes, Pete’s offense sucked, but the QB made it much worse.
    Which one are you again?
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,033 Founders Club
    Doogles said:

    Including Tight Ends, the OL used to maul people in the early Pete days.

    Dissly, Sample, Darrell Daniels, Harris, shelton, Twatt, Mcgary, and even eldenkramp earned at least a cup of coffee.

    And the best of the bunch at the time was Adams who never returned to form(still got a little cup from the Bills).

    Edit: It's worth noting how stacked 2016 was. It's crazy to say, but they under achieved in a lot of ways. We didn't realize how broken Pete's offense was until the bottom fell out.

    SC and Bama were both winnable with better gameplan.

    Loved those OL combined with amazing blocking TEs in Dissly and Sample and not a shock that's when the team overall was winning games.

    Crazy thing it was super young in 2016.

    LT Adams (pre-injury was so different) - So. - I'm not sure if he was the Top 10 pick he was getting mocked at but have to think he gets drafted and has a better career if he could have left after 2016.

    LG Eldrenkamp - Sr. - Good college OL. Looks like he'll finish with like 5 practice squad ups in the league.

    C Shelton - Sr. - Super underrated really good college OL and should have been drafted. Has worked his way to starting guard for the defending Super Bowl champs.

    RG Harris - Fr. - He was probably fine against everyone other than Alabama's nightmare DL. Eventual 5th round pick.

    RT McGary - So. - Young here but eventual first rounder and best OL in the Pac-12

    TE Dissly - Sr. - Basically was like a first-team All-Pac-12-level blocker extra on the line.

    TE Sample - So. - Basically Dissly but younger.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam
    WoolleyDoog said:

    Doogles said:

    Including Tight Ends, the OL used to maul people in the early Pete days.

    Dissly, Sample, Darrell Daniels, Harris, shelton, Twatt, Mcgary, and even eldenkramp earned at least a cup of coffee.

    And the best of the bunch at the time was Adams who never returned to form(still got a little cup from the Bills).

    Edit: It's worth noting how stacked 2016 was. It's crazy to say, but they under achieved in a lot of ways. We didn't realize how broken Pete's offense was until the bottom fell out.

    SC and Bama were both winnable with better gameplan.

    Loved those OL combined with amazing blocking TEs in Dissly and Sample and not a shock that's when the team overall was winning games.

    Crazy thing it was super young in 2016.

    LT Adams (pre-injury was so different) - So. - I'm not sure if he was the Top 10 pick he was getting mocked at but have to think he gets drafted and has a better career if he could have left after 2016.

    LG Eldrenkamp - Sr. - Good college OL. Looks like he'll finish with like 5 practice squad ups in the league.

    C Shelton - Sr. - Super underrated really good college OL and should have been drafted. Has worked his way to starting guard for the defending Super Bowl champs.

    RG Harris - Fr. - He was probably fine against everyone other than Alabama's nightmare DL. Eventual 5th round pick.

    RT McGary - So. - Young here but eventual first rounder and best OL in the Pac-12

    TE Dissly - Sr. - Basically was like a first-team All-Pac-12-level blocker extra on the line.

    TE Sample - So. - Basically Dissly but younger.
    Good OL aside from having to play Harris as a freshman. Shelton is a great athlete. I remember him jumping off the screen in some of the game gif threads for hoe good he was in the open.
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,033 Founders Club
    edited September 2022
    chuck said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    Doogles said:

    Including Tight Ends, the OL used to maul people in the early Pete days.

    Dissly, Sample, Darrell Daniels, Harris, shelton, Twatt, Mcgary, and even eldenkramp earned at least a cup of coffee.

    And the best of the bunch at the time was Adams who never returned to form(still got a little cup from the Bills).

    Edit: It's worth noting how stacked 2016 was. It's crazy to say, but they under achieved in a lot of ways. We didn't realize how broken Pete's offense was until the bottom fell out.

    SC and Bama were both winnable with better gameplan.

    Loved those OL combined with amazing blocking TEs in Dissly and Sample and not a shock that's when the team overall was winning games.

    Crazy thing it was super young in 2016.

    LT Adams (pre-injury was so different) - So. - I'm not sure if he was the Top 10 pick he was getting mocked at but have to think he gets drafted and has a better career if he could have left after 2016.

    LG Eldrenkamp - Sr. - Good college OL. Looks like he'll finish with like 5 practice squad ups in the league.

    C Shelton - Sr. - Super underrated really good college OL and should have been drafted. Has worked his way to starting guard for the defending Super Bowl champs.

    RG Harris - Fr. - He was probably fine against everyone other than Alabama's nightmare DL. Eventual 5th round pick.

    RT McGary - So. - Young here but eventual first rounder and best OL in the Pac-12

    TE Dissly - Sr. - Basically was like a first-team All-Pac-12-level blocker extra on the line.

    TE Sample - So. - Basically Dissly but younger.
    Good OL aside from having to play Harris as a freshman. Shelton is a great athlete. I remember him jumping off the screen in some of the game gif threads for hoe good he was in the open.
    Yeah, as @JoeEDangerously said the offense was a couple recruiting losses away from being national title level - G (or Shane Brostek being what we all thought he would be) and Big WR/WR3 or just having a game changing QB.

    Defense couldn't afford to lose Azeem and Mathis and even with them healthy probably still needed another legit DE.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,709 Founders Club
    edited September 2022
    Disagree. The Oline sucked against USC



    27 net yards rushing thanks to no rushing and 58 yards lost on sacks. Yes Browning was retarded but he was also running for his life. USC was credited with 3 sacks

    That's 13 first downs the whole game
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  • BroadcastingDawg
    BroadcastingDawg Member Posts: 1,459
    edited September 2022
    Cool that Wattenberg is getting a chance in the NFL...

    But I don't really see it as an apples to apples comparison... maybe Sorell has a better career if he had played for the Dawgs?

    Maybe someone like Trent McDuffie goes to USC instead of UW and sits on the depth chart behind some 5 stars and doesn't get his chance until now.

    You truly never know.

    Was Wattenberg ever very good? Offensive linemen stick out like a sore thumb when they struggle and he seemed to stick out more than most. Maybe not at center, but certainly when he played tackle and guard... he was mediocre to bad there.
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,230 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Disagree. The Oline sucked against USC



    27 net yards rushing thanks to no rushing and 58 yards lost on sacks. Yes Browning was retarded but he was also running for his life. USC was credited with 3 sacks

    That's 13 first downs the whole game

    We quit running the ball. Coleman had two carries. He was really good in 2016 and deserved more. Gaskin barely touched the ball in the second half. We were one dimensional and USC got after Browning.
    That was always my feeling in that game is we? gave up too easy.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,709 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Disagree. The Oline sucked against USC



    27 net yards rushing thanks to no rushing and 58 yards lost on sacks. Yes Browning was retarded but he was also running for his life. USC was credited with 3 sacks

    That's 13 first downs the whole game

    We quit running the ball. Coleman had two carries. He was really good in 2016 and deserved more. Gaskin barely touched the ball in the second half. We were one dimensional and USC got after Browning.
    One of my least favorite games ever. You make a good point. That was an early look at the Petersen shit show offense
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,033 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Disagree. The Oline sucked against USC



    27 net yards rushing thanks to no rushing and 58 yards lost on sacks. Yes Browning was retarded but he was also running for his life. USC was credited with 3 sacks

    That's 13 first downs the whole game

    We quit running the ball. Coleman had two carries. He was really good in 2016 and deserved more. Gaskin barely touched the ball in the second half. We were one dimensional and USC got after Browning.
    One of my least favorite games ever. You make a good point. That was an early look at the Petersen shit show offense
    Agree the OL was far from flawless and I'm sure Adams and McGary being sophomores and Harris being a true freshman was part of that. Ol Clay Helton had a good game plan though and was the first of many to I think just say let's make Browning beat us to great success. Browning was abysmal that night and I feel like missed Ross for like 2-3 TDs/big plays.

    Gotta remember the whole energy of that game flipped with Azeem getting injured too.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam
    Gladstone said:

    Browning was P12 POY (it should have been Ross) but he was the worst part of that 2016 team, especially after USC broke him. We needed a mobile, very good to great QB to beat that Bama team. Watson and Clemson, with mostly high 3 and low 4 stars at that point, dropped 35 on that Bama defense in the title game.

    I only disagree in that I think the lack of depth, all over the roster but mainly at OL and linebacker, was the worst part.

    A great QB could have compensated though and the Bammer game would have been winnable.

    I haven seen great QB play on a team i like in so long that I'm confused and anxious when I witness it...like it's something unnatural.
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