Death Valley is WRECKED
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Cool place
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Now I feel guilty. If a bunch of Euro’s can travel 1000’s of miles I no longer have any excuses.
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If you are a Western European with a decent job, you get a ton of vacation and the Euros take the month of August off (not a lot of air conditioning in large parts of France, Germany and Italy) and they flee to the US for the scenery and it's freaking cheap compared to lots of Europe. Been on top of Black Butte in August and there are always a bunch of Euros at the top. Give them credit, they do like to hike and they are not as fat as the average American.46XiJCAB said:Now I feel guilty. If a bunch of Euro’s can travel 1000’s of miles I no longer have any excuses.
I've been to the top of Mt. Evans in Colorado (14,265 ft peak - highest paved highway in the Continental US) and the top of Pikes Peak (14,115 ft peak) in a rental car. Never buy a used rental car. -
Euros are looney about our deserts and the Grand Canyon. They have nothing like it in Europe. My elderly neighbors in Kali were German. They constantly hosted friends from Germany and their destinations were Grand canyon, Death Valley, Utah Canyon lands/Zion etc. along with Kali beaches.
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I'll go in January
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My grandfather and uncle were farmers in Northwest Minnesota. When I was eight, they visited us in Portland. We drove them up to Timberline Lodge. They were literally nervous on the final drive up to the Lodge on the two lane road with a huge drop-off on the side. Nothing like the vistas in the western states exist west of the Rockies. Maybe a little in the Black Hills. When the highest spot in Stephen, Minnesota is a 10 foot elevated tee on the local 9 hole sand green golf course, the huge elevation differences in the West are truly shocking to anyone raised in the midwest and eastern US.Sledog said:Euros are looney about our deserts and the Grand Canyon. They have nothing like it in Europe. My elderly neighbors in Kali were German. They constantly hosted friends from Germany and their destinations were Grand canyon, Death Valley, Utah Canyon lands/Zion etc. along with Kali beaches.
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When our cousins visited from ND we took them to the Oregon coast. The drive over made them feel “claustrophobic” and they didn’t like the idea they couldn’t see for miles and miles.WestlinnDuck said:
My grandfather and uncle were farmers in Northwest Minnesota. When I was eight, they visited us in Portland. We drove them up to Timberline Lodge. They were literally nervous on the final drive up to the Lodge on the two lane road with a huge drop-off on the side. Nothing like the vistas in the western states exist west of the Rockies. Maybe a little in the Black Hills. When the highest spot in Stephen, Minnesota is a 10 foot elevated tee on the local 9 hole sand green golf course, the huge elevation differences in the West are truly shocking to anyone raised in the midwest and eastern US.Sledog said:Euros are looney about our deserts and the Grand Canyon. They have nothing like it in Europe. My elderly neighbors in Kali were German. They constantly hosted friends from Germany and their destinations were Grand canyon, Death Valley, Utah Canyon lands/Zion etc. along with Kali beaches.
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Just got back from some of the NP you mentioned. Foreigners everywhere. I was guessing about half. Yellowstone is heavy Asian.Sledog said:Euros are looney about our deserts and the Grand Canyon. They have nothing like it in Europe. My elderly neighbors in Kali were German. They constantly hosted friends from Germany and their destinations were Grand canyon, Death Valley, Utah Canyon lands/Zion etc. along with Kali beaches.
Also, a lot of these fuckers are rude and obnoxious. Cutting in line. Going off trail. Yelling in canyons, not knowing trail etiquette.
So when I hear people, specifically Rick Steves loving whites talk about ugly Americans in Europe and when you go don't wear American stole clothes, blend in, etc I say fuck off. I've been to Europe several times and Americans tend to be the most polite, friendly and respectful tourists there. I think it's just more American bashing self hating white progressives like to engage in. -
European men where Speedos.MikeDamone said:
Just got back from some of the NP you mentioned. Foreigners everywhere. I was guessing about half. Yellowstone is heavy Asian.Sledog said:Euros are looney about our deserts and the Grand Canyon. They have nothing like it in Europe. My elderly neighbors in Kali were German. They constantly hosted friends from Germany and their destinations were Grand canyon, Death Valley, Utah Canyon lands/Zion etc. along with Kali beaches.
Also, a lot of these fuckers are rude and obnoxious. Cutting in line. Going off trail. Yelling in canyons, not knowing trail etiquette.
So when I hear people, specifically Rick Steves loving whites talk about ugly Americans in Europe and when you go don't wear American stole clothes, blend in, etc I say fuck off. I've been to Europe several times and Americans tend to be the most polite, friendly and respectful tourists there. I think it's just more American bashing self hating white progressives like to engage in. -
On one hand, my grandparents traveled to Europe a lot in the 1960s and grandma told me in the 1990s how there were several times she was embarrassed by the obnoxious behavior of American tourists. On the other hand, when I went to France, I went there expecting the French to be rude but they were incredibly nice. And I saw a lot of American tourists and didn't think they were behaving poorly at all. Maybe one exception. The French were fascinated with America and asked me a lot of questions. One (black) guy I talked to on the Paris subway was asking me how racist was America and where were the most racist parts. He was confused when I was laughing and shaking my head and trying to explain in French not to believe everything you hear on the news. When I was in Beynac, I hung out with a brother and sister who were around my age and whose parents owned the auberge we were staying at. The brother was fascinated with the NFL, and told me he stayed up every year until 4am to watch the Super Bowl.MikeDamone said:
Just got back from some of the NP you mentioned. Foreigners everywhere. I was guessing about half. Yellowstone is heavy Asian.Sledog said:Euros are looney about our deserts and the Grand Canyon. They have nothing like it in Europe. My elderly neighbors in Kali were German. They constantly hosted friends from Germany and their destinations were Grand canyon, Death Valley, Utah Canyon lands/Zion etc. along with Kali beaches.
Also, a lot of these fuckers are rude and obnoxious. Cutting in line. Going off trail. Yelling in canyons, not knowing trail etiquette.
So when I hear people, specifically Rick Steves loving whites talk about ugly Americans in Europe and when you go don't wear American stole clothes, blend in, etc I say fuck off. I've been to Europe several times and Americans tend to be the most polite, friendly and respectful tourists there. I think it's just more American bashing self hating white progressives like to engage in.
