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Oh please. What he "did to Herbert" was to get the program's shit together for a Rose Bowl run and three consecutive wins over Washington. Herbert is throwing to receivers now befitting his talent. He didn't have those at Oregon. Johnny Johnson III and Jaylon Redd are not anything on which you can base a big passing attack. The best receiver Herbert had at that time was Dillon Mitchell, who was a possession receiver. The single greatest offensive weapon at Oregon during Mario's time was oft-injured CJ Verdell. Oregon was not going to go air game to the Rose Bowl and everybody knows it.greenblood said:Mario can recruit, I can’t argue that. But his coaching is dreadful. What he did to Herbert is unforgivable. Dude has the nfl record for passing yards in his first two years, and Cristobal had him throwing screens, slants, and out routes.
And it’s not like the Chargers developed Herbert during fall camp and 1 NFL week into a top 5 QB. Herbert had that skill set at Oregon. -
It’s cfb.creepycoug said:
Oh please. What he "did to Herbert" was to get the program's shit together for a Rose Bowl run and three consecutive wins over Washington. Herbert is throwing to receivers now befitting his talent. He didn't have those at Oregon. Johnny Johnson III and Jaylon Redd are not anything on which you can base a big passing attack. The best receiver Herbert had at that time was Dillon Mitchell, who was a possession receiver. The single greatest offensive weapon at Oregon during Mario's time was oft-injured CJ Verdell. Oregon was not going to go air game to the Rose Bowl and everybody knows it.greenblood said:Mario can recruit, I can’t argue that. But his coaching is dreadful. What he did to Herbert is unforgivable. Dude has the nfl record for passing yards in his first two years, and Cristobal had him throwing screens, slants, and out routes.
And it’s not like the Chargers developed Herbert during fall camp and 1 NFL week into a top 5 QB. Herbert had that skill set at Oregon.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401135288
These numbers are unacceptable with a soon to be top 5 nfl qb playing college football. Juwan Johnson was also better than Dillon Mitchell, redd, or JJ.
Mario will improve your talent massively and he’s a good guy (with a hot wife). But you’ll get tired of him quickly. His offensive brand of football is unwatchable. -
If they focus on passing they don't win that rose bowl and perhaps the conference that year.creepycoug said:
Oh please. What he "did to Herbert" was to get the program's shit together for a Rose Bowl run and three consecutive wins over Washington. Herbert is throwing to receivers now befitting his talent. He didn't have those at Oregon. Johnny Johnson III and Jaylon Redd are not anything on which you can base a big passing attack. The best receiver Herbert had at that time was Dillon Mitchell, who was a possession receiver. The single greatest offensive weapon at Oregon during Mario's time was oft-injured CJ Verdell. Oregon was not going to go air game to the Rose Bowl and everybody knows it.greenblood said:Mario can recruit, I can’t argue that. But his coaching is dreadful. What he did to Herbert is unforgivable. Dude has the nfl record for passing yards in his first two years, and Cristobal had him throwing screens, slants, and out routes.
And it’s not like the Chargers developed Herbert during fall camp and 1 NFL week into a top 5 QB. Herbert had that skill set at Oregon.
His offense was a change of pace from every other Pac 12 team and took advantage of a lack of athleticism at linebacker. -
That's exactly right. The running game wasn't generational or anything. It wasn't 2014 Buck. But when Verdell was healthy, he was a problem for a lot of teams and it changed what Oregon could do dramatically.haie said:
If they focus on passing they don't win that rose bowl and perhaps the conference that year.creepycoug said:
Oh please. What he "did to Herbert" was to get the program's shit together for a Rose Bowl run and three consecutive wins over Washington. Herbert is throwing to receivers now befitting his talent. He didn't have those at Oregon. Johnny Johnson III and Jaylon Redd are not anything on which you can base a big passing attack. The best receiver Herbert had at that time was Dillon Mitchell, who was a possession receiver. The single greatest offensive weapon at Oregon during Mario's time was oft-injured CJ Verdell. Oregon was not going to go air game to the Rose Bowl and everybody knows it.greenblood said:Mario can recruit, I can’t argue that. But his coaching is dreadful. What he did to Herbert is unforgivable. Dude has the nfl record for passing yards in his first two years, and Cristobal had him throwing screens, slants, and out routes.
And it’s not like the Chargers developed Herbert during fall camp and 1 NFL week into a top 5 QB. Herbert had that skill set at Oregon.
His offense was a change of pace from every other Pac 12 team and took advantage of a lack of athleticism at linebacker.
Look, John Elway himself never led the Furd to a bowl game .... a bowl game of any kind. A guy like Mariota, who was crazy athletic, can take over a game more or less on his own without a great supporting cast. Guys who are primarily passers and good, but not generational, runners generally can't. I'm not the guy who is going to get into some protracted debate about scheme, and I'll take everyone's word for it that Crisco's running of the pistol was not the best of whatever choices they had with their personnel. But I find disingenuous this revisionist narrative that if Herbert had thrown more or if they'd gone back to tempo read-option that Oregon somehow makes a deep run in the playoffs and challenges the juggernauts. I don't see that happening. Herbert's supporting cast ranged from average D1 to pretty good. There were no other "great" players other than arguably a healthy Verdell, whom I'd describe more accurately as very good rather than great.
Again, the wheels were falling off the program and Cristobal got you? guys settled down and back together, brought in some good talent and punched the then conference bully and hated rival right in the fucking mouth for 3 straight and got you a Rose Bowl. I can't explain Utah nor can I explain his stubborn adherence first to Shough-prounced-Shuck and then to Brown. He needs to review those decisions if he's going to take the next step as a coach.
But come the fuck on: Oregon's receiving corp. was B to B+ at best. Oregon wasn't going to do great things with Herbert just letting it rip! -
Dillon Mitchell is the best receiver, in terms of what they actually did on the field for Oregon, since Oregon very stupidly ran off Darren Carrington. Redd was an explosive slot who should have been used more than he was. Juwan Johnson wasn't that impressive as a Duck IMO.ntxduck said:
It’s cfb.creepycoug said:
Oh please. What he "did to Herbert" was to get the program's shit together for a Rose Bowl run and three consecutive wins over Washington. Herbert is throwing to receivers now befitting his talent. He didn't have those at Oregon. Johnny Johnson III and Jaylon Redd are not anything on which you can base a big passing attack. The best receiver Herbert had at that time was Dillon Mitchell, who was a possession receiver. The single greatest offensive weapon at Oregon during Mario's time was oft-injured CJ Verdell. Oregon was not going to go air game to the Rose Bowl and everybody knows it.greenblood said:Mario can recruit, I can’t argue that. But his coaching is dreadful. What he did to Herbert is unforgivable. Dude has the nfl record for passing yards in his first two years, and Cristobal had him throwing screens, slants, and out routes.
And it’s not like the Chargers developed Herbert during fall camp and 1 NFL week into a top 5 QB. Herbert had that skill set at Oregon.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401135288
These numbers are unacceptable with a soon to be top 5 nfl qb playing college football. Juwan Johnson was also better than Dillon Mitchell, redd, or JJ.
Mario will improve your talent massively and he’s a good guy (with a hot wife). But you’ll get tired of him quickly. His offensive brand of football is unwatchable. -
He was a fucking asshole, and I hated him and especially listening to him on pdx radio, but he knew what he had to do to win the conference similar to how Petersen looked at all the spread/air raid shit and forced his defense.creepycoug said:
That's exactly right. The running game wasn't generational or anything. It wasn't 2014 Buck. But when Verdell was healthy, he was a problem for a lot of teams and it changed what Oregon could do dramatically.haie said:
If they focus on passing they don't win that rose bowl and perhaps the conference that year.creepycoug said:
Oh please. What he "did to Herbert" was to get the program's shit together for a Rose Bowl run and three consecutive wins over Washington. Herbert is throwing to receivers now befitting his talent. He didn't have those at Oregon. Johnny Johnson III and Jaylon Redd are not anything on which you can base a big passing attack. The best receiver Herbert had at that time was Dillon Mitchell, who was a possession receiver. The single greatest offensive weapon at Oregon during Mario's time was oft-injured CJ Verdell. Oregon was not going to go air game to the Rose Bowl and everybody knows it.greenblood said:Mario can recruit, I can’t argue that. But his coaching is dreadful. What he did to Herbert is unforgivable. Dude has the nfl record for passing yards in his first two years, and Cristobal had him throwing screens, slants, and out routes.
And it’s not like the Chargers developed Herbert during fall camp and 1 NFL week into a top 5 QB. Herbert had that skill set at Oregon.
His offense was a change of pace from every other Pac 12 team and took advantage of a lack of athleticism at linebacker.
Look, John Elway himself never led the Furd to a bowl game .... a bowl game of any kind. A guy like Mariota, who was crazy athletic, can take over a game more or less on his own without a great supporting cast. Guys who are primarily passers and good, but not generational, runners generally can't. I'm not the guy who is going to get into some protracted debate about scheme, and I'll take everyone's word for it that Crisco's running of the pistol was not the best of whatever choices they had with their personnel. But I find disingenuous this revisionist narrative that if Herbert had thrown more or if they'd gone back to tempo read-option that Oregon somehow makes a deep run in the playoffs and challenges the juggernauts. I don't see that happening. Herbert's supporting cast ranged from average D1 to pretty good. There were no other "great" players other than arguably a healthy Verdell, whom I'd describe more accurately as very good rather than great.
Again, the wheels were falling off the program and Cristobal got you? guys settled down and back together, brought in some good talent and punched the then conference bully and hated rival right in the fucking mouth for 3 straight and got you a Rose Bowl. I can't explain Utah nor can I explain his stubborn adherence first to Shough-prounced-Shuck and then to Brown. He needs to review those decisions if he's going to take the next step as a coach.
But come the fuck on: Oregon's receiving corp. was B to B+ at best. Oregon wasn't going to do great things with Herbert just letting it rip!
Herbert running on 2nd/3rd down beat Washington and won them their critical games that season. Even if you don't like the pistol, if you pair it with that kind of an athlete that can also hit some average receivers when he needs to, it's hard to stop that.
Their fans wouldn't stop jacking off to their defense but I thought the offense and how they controlled games is what he hung his hat on. Their defense got carved up quite a bit too. They shouldn't have dropped that ASU game.
