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Here's Why Exiting the Pac-12 Would Be a Good Thing for UW
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Dan Raley finally wrote an article longer than a paragraph. Even he gets it.
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The Huskies need to ask themselves if they're serious about college football or not?
Their next moves will partly answer that question for the fans. -
"The Huskies need to ask themselves if they're serious about college football or not?"
Except it's not college football in the classic sense. It's show me the money pro football
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The Huskies need to ask themselves if they're serious about college football or not?
That quote should read: "The Huskies need to ask themselves if they're serious about funding every sport at the school and their AD?"
Because if they don't make the right move, their finances are turning to shit -
Spoiler alert:CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:The Huskies need to ask themselves if they're serious about college football or not?
Their next moves will partly answer that question for the fans.
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This is my weak take because I want UW to always have a chance, even though they've been largely a dumpster fire since I signed on in 04. But, assuming we don't jump to B10 (which would be cool but I think we'd be a bottom for the conference besides UCLA), if PAC can grab SDSU and SMU (or even better a couple B12 teams) it's probably not the end of the world I've been envisioning.
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At least in your scenario we don’t have to make up fake excuses that the pac only sucks because SC is down and will somehow come back.
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funny and true the last 15 years or so... but make no mistake SC is about to become a force again with the amount of next level cash at their disposal and the breakdown of enforcement of pay for play.LawDawg1 said:At least in your scenario we don’t have to make up fake excuses that the pac only sucks because SC is down and will somehow come back.
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At SUNJ, at State Penn, at Wisconsin, at Purdue
that isn't college football, that's a joke
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They will probably be good, but what was stopping them before. If they have a pulse they get almost any recruit they want.gmo said:
funny and true the last 15 years or so... but make no mistake SC is about to become a force again with the amount of next level cash at their disposal and the breakdown of enforcement of pay for play.LawDawg1 said:At least in your scenario we don’t have to make up fake excuses that the pac only sucks because SC is down and will somehow come back.
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Its B1G or the death of Husky football.
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No one is afraid of them, Lincoln Riley, and his Mickey Mouse defense. Last decade took the mystique off. Even with a shit coach you shouldn't be getting butt slammed at home by beavlet.RoadDawg55 said:
They will probably be good, but what was stopping them before. If they have a pulse they get almost any recruit they want.gmo said:
funny and true the last 15 years or so... but make no mistake SC is about to become a force again with the amount of next level cash at their disposal and the breakdown of enforcement of pay for play.LawDawg1 said:At least in your scenario we don’t have to make up fake excuses that the pac only sucks because SC is down and will somehow come back.
SC got desperate and overpaid him and then realized they needed the b1g payout to pay for him and the players he needs.
I think they'll be solidly #3 or 4 in that conference. I don't think they compete with Michigan and Ohio St. -
FTFYPurpleReign said:Its
B1G orthe death of Husky football. -
I mean it was only one game but Riley took Sooners into Ohio and beat them.haie said:
No one is afraid of them, Lincoln Riley, and his Mickey Mouse defense. Last decade took the mystique off. Even with a shit coach you shouldn't be getting butt slammed at home by beavlet.RoadDawg55 said:
They will probably be good, but what was stopping them before. If they have a pulse they get almost any recruit they want.gmo said:
funny and true the last 15 years or so... but make no mistake SC is about to become a force again with the amount of next level cash at their disposal and the breakdown of enforcement of pay for play.LawDawg1 said:At least in your scenario we don’t have to make up fake excuses that the pac only sucks because SC is down and will somehow come back.
SC got desperate and overpaid him and then realized they needed the b1g payout to pay for him and the players he needs.
I think they'll be solidly #3 or 4 in that conference. I don't think they compete with Michigan and Ohio St. -
I’m growing more optimistic that we’re going to the B1G. Georgia Tech, Clemson, and Miami don’t want to be part of B1G, they want SEC membership.
I’ve bought off on the idea you’ll see ND, UW, OR, and Stanford in the the B1G.
I don’t think regionalism is lost on the powers that be. They’d want to see a west coast pod, and rake in the money from those rivalries. Plus, it would reduce the cross country travel. I’d also guess they’d allow for a set non-conference game to allow for the Apple Cup and the Civil War.
This looks more and more like FOX and ESPN paying for what the NCAA has failed to do for 20 years. The powers that be have had enough of the bullshit out of Indianapolis, and the real big hitters of college football taking control. -
UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
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In what world is there a “super conference” with fucking Rutgers and Illinois and no Stanford? The Furd has more football history in the last 20 years than those two turds do all-time, brings in Bay Area TVs, has more money than any school in that conference by a significant degree and would be the academic giant of the conference (if that matters).LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
This makes slightly more sense if the Big boots Rutgers and Illinois. What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have? I realize the Mid-Atlantic TV market, but does anyone watch Rutgers? I’ve spent a lot of time in northeast the last 7 - 8 years. Nobody there gives a fuck about college football. And Illinois is hot garbage other than strong (but spotty) academis. -
A better conference with much stronger leadership and a media market that gives a shit about them. Everything the west coast doesn’t have. We are too busy policing the national politics and being woke.creepycoug said:LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have?
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I’m talking about conference composition. If you’re building a super conference, Furd over those other two junk drawer pennies is a no brainer.LawDawg1 said:
A better conference with much stronger leadership and a media market that gives a shit about them. Everything the west coast doesn’t have. We are too busy policing the national politics and being woke.creepycoug said:LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have?
I know it’s fun to poke at the west coast as being total dreck, but in real life it’s not the case. 13% of the US population resides in just one of those states. And while nothing compared to the southeast, Texas and the Midwest, the west cares about cfb more than the mid-Atlantic and New England states. -
You are underselling Illinois considerably. Yes the football program hasn’t been good the last 30 years; however do have 5 national championships, 2 of the 10 best college football players of all time (Red Grange and Dick Butkus) and more importantly Chicago. Yes Northwestern is located in the city but IL have significantly more alumni in the city and follow the team way closer than NW. There is a reason, despite the crap football lately, Chicago turns passionate when IL is competitive. They rank middle of the pack in revenues in the conference.creepycoug said:
In what world is there a “super conference” with fucking Rutgers and Illinois and no Stanford? The Furd has more football history in the last 20 years than those two turds do all-time, brings in Bay Area TVs, has more money than any school in that conference by a significant degree and would be the academic giant of the conference (if that matters).LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
This makes slightly more sense if the Big boots Rutgers and Illinois. What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have? I realize the Mid-Atlantic TV market, but does anyone watch Rutgers? I’ve spent a lot of time in northeast the last 7 - 8 years. Nobody there gives a fuck about college football. And Illinois is hot garbage other than strong (but spotty) academis.
They finally have competent leadership in their AD who has shown a commitment to fielding competitive teams (think the anti Jen). -
Unbelievably this is true. There is some level of needle movement for Va Tech in Virginia, but not much. In Maryland NOGAF at all. I have never seen a place with less involvement with CFB than the mid Atlantic. It's just an almost complete non-entity here. Nobody ever talks about it. At all. Ever.creepycoug said:
I’m talking about conference composition. If you’re building a super conference, Furd over those other two junk drawer pennies is a no brainer.LawDawg1 said:
A better conference with much stronger leadership and a media market that gives a shit about them. Everything the west coast doesn’t have. We are too busy policing the national politics and being woke.creepycoug said:LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have?
I know it’s fun to poke at the west coast as being total dreck, but in real life it’s not the case. 13% of the US population resides in just one of those states. And while nothing compared to the southeast, Texas and the Midwest, the west cares about cfb more than the mid-Atlantic and New England states. -
I am committed to fucking nothing but supermodels.Oly said:
You are underselling Illinois considerably. Yes the football program hasn’t been good the last 30 years; however do have 5 national championships, 2 of the 10 best college football players of all time (Red Grange and Dick Butkus) and more importantly Chicago. Yes Northwestern is located in the city but IL have significantly more alumni in the city and follow the team way closer than NW. There is a reason, despite the crap football lately, Chicago turns passionate when IL is competitive. They rank middle of the pack in revenues in the conference.creepycoug said:
In what world is there a “super conference” with fucking Rutgers and Illinois and no Stanford? The Furd has more football history in the last 20 years than those two turds do all-time, brings in Bay Area TVs, has more money than any school in that conference by a significant degree and would be the academic giant of the conference (if that matters).LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
This makes slightly more sense if the Big boots Rutgers and Illinois. What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have? I realize the Mid-Atlantic TV market, but does anyone watch Rutgers? I’ve spent a lot of time in northeast the last 7 - 8 years. Nobody there gives a fuck about college football. And Illinois is hot garbage other than strong (but spotty) academis.
They finally have competent leadership in their AD who has shown a commitment to fielding competitive teams (think the anti Jen).
I am a billion times more likely to succeed than the cowering Illini.
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Actually, I’m not. Chicago was the only point on which it was with a brief pause.Oly said:
You are underselling Illinois considerably. Yes the football program hasn’t been good the last 30 years; however do have 5 national championships, 2 of the 10 best college football players of all time (Red Grange and Dick Butkus) and more importantly Chicago. Yes Northwestern is located in the city but IL have significantly more alumni in the city and follow the team way closer than NW. There is a reason, despite the crap football lately, Chicago turns passionate when IL is competitive. They rank middle of the pack in revenues in the conference.creepycoug said:
In what world is there a “super conference” with fucking Rutgers and Illinois and no Stanford? The Furd has more football history in the last 20 years than those two turds do all-time, brings in Bay Area TVs, has more money than any school in that conference by a significant degree and would be the academic giant of the conference (if that matters).LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
This makes slightly more sense if the Big boots Rutgers and Illinois. What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have? I realize the Mid-Atlantic TV market, but does anyone watch Rutgers? I’ve spent a lot of time in northeast the last 7 - 8 years. Nobody there gives a fuck about college football. And Illinois is hot garbage other than strong (but spotty) academis.
They finally have competent leadership in their AD who has shown a commitment to fielding competitive teams (think the anti Jen). -
If this is about money, there are schools the B1G is cutting at some point.
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Vanderbilt Maryland Rutgers South Carolina and Northwestern to name a few shitty football schools making major money at the bottom of the two big leagues
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I agree. It was weird when I lived in Maryland. I transitioned some friends to asu. They all went to like small private schools in New York or JerseySwaye said:
Unbelievably this is true. There is some level of needle movement for Va Tech in Virginia, but not much. In Maryland NOGAF at all. I have never seen a place with less involvement with CFB than the mid Atlantic. It's just an almost complete non-entity here. Nobody ever talks about it. At all. Ever.creepycoug said:
I’m talking about conference composition. If you’re building a super conference, Furd over those other two junk drawer pennies is a no brainer.LawDawg1 said:
A better conference with much stronger leadership and a media market that gives a shit about them. Everything the west coast doesn’t have. We are too busy policing the national politics and being woke.creepycoug said:LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have?
I know it’s fun to poke at the west coast as being total dreck, but in real life it’s not the case. 13% of the US population resides in just one of those states. And while nothing compared to the southeast, Texas and the Midwest, the west cares about cfb more than the mid-Atlantic and New England states.
That's just kinda the culture out there. No concept of like big football schools
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It’s never been about what you know but who you know. We hitched a century long ride to a dead conference. They hitched their ride with the version of what’s next.
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This. And New England is worse. They REALLY DNGAF.Pitchfork51 said:
I agree. It was weird when I lived in Maryland. I transitioned some friends to asu. They all went to like small private schools in New York or JerseySwaye said:
Unbelievably this is true. There is some level of needle movement for Va Tech in Virginia, but not much. In Maryland NOGAF at all. I have never seen a place with less involvement with CFB than the mid Atlantic. It's just an almost complete non-entity here. Nobody ever talks about it. At all. Ever.creepycoug said:
I’m talking about conference composition. If you’re building a super conference, Furd over those other two junk drawer pennies is a no brainer.LawDawg1 said:
A better conference with much stronger leadership and a media market that gives a shit about them. Everything the west coast doesn’t have. We are too busy policing the national politics and being woke.creepycoug said:LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have?
I know it’s fun to poke at the west coast as being total dreck, but in real life it’s not the case. 13% of the US population resides in just one of those states. And while nothing compared to the southeast, Texas and the Midwest, the west cares about cfb more than the mid-Atlantic and New England states.
That's just kinda the culture out there. No concept of like big football schools
If you weren't a penn state nut you really didn't care -
One thing that makes no sense with some of the takes I've read.
"The B1G is fine with Rutgers and Maryland because of the of the TV markets"
But with UW
"Well the TV market doesn't matter as much as the brand of the school"
Which is it?
"An inside source told CBS that UW/UO are tweeners, not big enough for the B1G but still bigger than all the other Pac 12 schools"
Why the fuck would the SEC want Clemson then? They just punched well above their weight for a few years and they're fading fast with the same coach.
Nothing makes any sense (except UW/UO accepting a lesser revenue share to enter the B1G)
I'd rather disconnect entirely and then come back here in a few weeks to either see a flood of "Losing to Texas Tech will be special" threads or "Losing to Northwestern will be special" threads. -
To expand on the mid-Atlantic thing I figured I should give this a fair shake.creepycoug said:
This. And New England is worse. They REALLY DNGAF.Pitchfork51 said:
I agree. It was weird when I lived in Maryland. I transitioned some friends to asu. They all went to like small private schools in New York or JerseySwaye said:
Unbelievably this is true. There is some level of needle movement for Va Tech in Virginia, but not much. In Maryland NOGAF at all. I have never seen a place with less involvement with CFB than the mid Atlantic. It's just an almost complete non-entity here. Nobody ever talks about it. At all. Ever.creepycoug said:
I’m talking about conference composition. If you’re building a super conference, Furd over those other two junk drawer pennies is a no brainer.LawDawg1 said:
A better conference with much stronger leadership and a media market that gives a shit about them. Everything the west coast doesn’t have. We are too busy policing the national politics and being woke.creepycoug said:LawDawg1 said:UW and Oregon will be treated like Utah and be asked to accept half for some time. Illinois, Rutgers, and the BIG bottom dwellers won the jackpot.
What do they have that the Zonas, Utah, and even Cal don’t have?
I know it’s fun to poke at the west coast as being total dreck, but in real life it’s not the case. 13% of the US population resides in just one of those states. And while nothing compared to the southeast, Texas and the Midwest, the west cares about cfb more than the mid-Atlantic and New England states.
That's just kinda the culture out there. No concept of like big football schools
If you weren't a penn state nut you really didn't care
Virginia - southeast and central Virginia cares a good bit about VaTech. Nobody else in the state even thinks of cfb.
Maryland - NOGAF. Want some crab?
Delaware - Do not even know what the term cfb means. Coastal meth hottest ticket in town.
New Jersey - NOGAF. Jets Jets Jets!
New York. Like 4 people like Rutgers.
West Virginia - Ok have to call balls and strikes those Deliverance mother fuckers love them some WVU football.
Penn (I am as surprised as you that this is oftentimes considered mid-Atlantic.) - Yeah, cfb crazy state with the Pedos as the hot ticket.
So, out of 7 states you have one fanatic state (that most people consider to be more Midwestern than Mid Atlantic), one big fandom state, one sort of meh state, and four that don't even know cfb is on tv or know what it is.
I won't go through it but El Creepo is correct that the NE is even worse.
It's bad.
