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The Johns Hopkins study showed no material effect of lockdowns and mandates. If there were, that data would be pretty clear. The Great Barrington Declaration was spot on about our failed CDC approach to the chicom crud. Then toss in the intentional decision not to consider collateral effects of the lockdowns and mandates - suicide, addiction, weight gain, lost medical treatment and a lost close to two years of education and socialization for the kids. Why US small businesses should have been destroyed because old people and those with serious comorbidities could feel good the vast majority of Americans who had no more of a risk than from the regular H1N1 flu also had to be isolated is a question that the left doesn't want to answer.MikeDamone said:
Exactly. You look at the deaths by state and you can’t correlate them with mandates. There are other variables to consider. For example, when saying Florida has a worse outcome then Washington, no one is adjusting for the age of the population. When looking at Mississippi’s poor outcomes, no one is adjusting for obesity and race.Bob_C said:
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/kevin-roche-when-do-we-get-our-apologies.php
This weekend two years ago I published the first ad in the Star Tribune expressing alarm at the policies adapted to fight the Covid-19 epidemic. The themes set forth in that ad have guided my education and advocacy efforts and my subsequent columns in that newspaper from the start of the epidemic. And the concerns expressed and the rationales for those concerns have been largely proven correct.
Respiratory virus transmission is impossible to stop — a lesson New Zealand, Hong Kong and China are still learning. Attempts to suppress the spread are futile. Such measures usually lead to unintended (perhaps, but certainly predictable) consequences that can be more devastating than the virus itself.
Normal life is upended, worsening health for those who are most ill, isolating the already lonely elderly, destroying educational and social development for children, leading to more drug and alcohol abuse and greater mental health issues. These harms go on for years and decades. None of this was mysterious or unknown. Any thoughtful, calm, rational response would have recognized these basic facts and issues. But instead we were served a hysterical, lemming-like overreaction which in the end did not protect most of the population from being infection or many from serious disease.
On behalf of the public, I would like an apology from those responsible for the disastrous handling of the epidemic response. -
Some of us knew this in April 2020. No study needed.WestlinnDuck said:
The Johns Hopkins study showed no material effect of lockdowns and mandates. If there were, that data would be pretty clear. The Great Barrington Declaration was spot on about our failed CDC approach to the chicom crud. Then toss in the intentional decision not to consider collateral effects of the lockdowns and mandates - suicide, addiction, weight gain, lost medical treatment and a lost close to two years of education and socialization for the kids. Why US small businesses should have been destroyed because old people and those with serious comorbidities could feel good the vast majority of Americans who had no more of a risk than from the regular H1N1 flu also had to be isolated is a question that the left doesn't want to answer.MikeDamone said:
Exactly. You look at the deaths by state and you can’t correlate them with mandates. There are other variables to consider. For example, when saying Florida has a worse outcome then Washington, no one is adjusting for the age of the population. When looking at Mississippi’s poor outcomes, no one is adjusting for obesity and race.Bob_C said:
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/kevin-roche-when-do-we-get-our-apologies.php
This weekend two years ago I published the first ad in the Star Tribune expressing alarm at the policies adapted to fight the Covid-19 epidemic. The themes set forth in that ad have guided my education and advocacy efforts and my subsequent columns in that newspaper from the start of the epidemic. And the concerns expressed and the rationales for those concerns have been largely proven correct.
Respiratory virus transmission is impossible to stop — a lesson New Zealand, Hong Kong and China are still learning. Attempts to suppress the spread are futile. Such measures usually lead to unintended (perhaps, but certainly predictable) consequences that can be more devastating than the virus itself.
Normal life is upended, worsening health for those who are most ill, isolating the already lonely elderly, destroying educational and social development for children, leading to more drug and alcohol abuse and greater mental health issues. These harms go on for years and decades. None of this was mysterious or unknown. Any thoughtful, calm, rational response would have recognized these basic facts and issues. But instead we were served a hysterical, lemming-like overreaction which in the end did not protect most of the population from being infection or many from serious disease.
On behalf of the public, I would like an apology from those responsible for the disastrous handling of the epidemic response.
Clearly this was politicized from day 1. Anything to sink Trump. He was unbeatable until March of 2020. The strength of the economy made him so. As soon as it was realized by the media and leftist politicians that they could possible ride this to victory in November, it was set. Now add some racial charged riots for 120 straight days and you have a real winner for the left. -
I was 200 pounds at the start of the great pandemic. Not obese but overweight. 160 to 180 is recommendedMikeDamone said:
Of all the shit the health “experts” and politicians trotted out…Lockdown, stay home, get multiple shots, don’t take horse meds, wear two masks….the ONE thing controllable thing that contributed the most to the morality is obesity. Did any of these assholes ever push this at all…no, they shut down gyms, golf, parks and beaches. Then fat obese fucks would lecture us on how those who disagreed with mandates where putting their lives in danger. Fuck the fuck off.Doogles said:
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.Bob_C said:
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
So I dropped 40 and have holding steady at 160. Lots of sun on my walks for vitamin D
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If you get sick please don’t take a hospital bed. It’s immoral. Make sure a fat fuck with diabetes and 3 shots gets it.RaceBannon said:
I was 200 pounds at the start of the great pandemic. Not obese but overweight. 160 to 180 is recommendedMikeDamone said:
Of all the shit the health “experts” and politicians trotted out…Lockdown, stay home, get multiple shots, don’t take horse meds, wear two masks….the ONE thing controllable thing that contributed the most to the morality is obesity. Did any of these assholes ever push this at all…no, they shut down gyms, golf, parks and beaches. Then fat obese fucks would lecture us on how those who disagreed with mandates where putting their lives in danger. Fuck the fuck off.Doogles said:
I believe the Utes are the healthiest state, might mean something.Bob_C said:
People I talk to here in woke King County like to bring up the low death rate in Washington as an example that it all worked. Would you rather be Florida they ask?MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
I answer I’d rather be Utah than Washington, which has an even lower death rate than Washington and had very little mask mandates and has low vaccine uptake in general.
There are tons of one on one comparables that can make points for both sides. But on the whole that just means there is no correlation between policy and outcomes. So you and I were right.
So I dropped 40 and have holding steady at 160. Lots of sun on my walks for vitamin D
No jab
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We're nearly always right. The left is almost always wrong. They lie.Bob_C said:
Age adjusted California, Illinois and Florida are all right next to each other in death rate. The lock down paradise of Michigan is about 20% higher than that group.RaceBannon said:Florida has lots of old people
Georgia, New York, New Jersey and Ohio are all about 40% higher than the Florida group. It’s all a hot mess, which means we were right. -
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
Seams that Omicron really is a cold. -
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.Goduckies said:
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
Your argument seems to be politicians and public health experts really nailed it with their policies and now we are finally over it. -
Yup, Foo Chee is already priming the pump if necessary.MikeDamone said:
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none p. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.Goduckies said:
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
Seams that Omicron really is a cold. -
30 in hospital in the panhandle which is 5 counties... none in the hospital I pick nurses up at. Had the conversation again tonight with one...MikeDamone said:
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.Goduckies said:
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
Your argument seems to be politicians and public health experts really nailed it with their policies and now we are finally over it. -
Also numbers are not high cases dropped from 800k to about 30k... that isn't high.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life. -
You're an Uber driver?Goduckies said:
30 in hospital in the panhandle which is 5 counties... none in the hospital I pick nurses up at. Had the conversation again tonight with one...MikeDamone said:
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.Goduckies said:
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
Your argument seems to be politicians and public health experts really nailed it with their policies and now we are finally over it. -
My point is the cases,deaths, and hospitalization rates have nothing to do with being "over it". We weren't over it in the past with the same or even better numbers. It's 100% political theater and emotion based. Always was.Goduckies said:Also numbers are not high cases dropped from 800k to about 30k... that isn't high.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life.
If your old, fat and with diabetes Covid is just one of many things to worry about health wise. Being fat and with diabetes are 1 and 2. Maybe lose the weight rather than cower and lecture others for not "caring about others" -
Yup, was in banking 15 years got burned out been driving ever since .. love it.MikeDamone said:
You're an Uber driver?Goduckies said:
30 in hospital in the panhandle which is 5 counties... none in the hospital I pick nurses up at. Had the conversation again tonight with one...MikeDamone said:
There are 30 in hospitals, so not none. More will likely be admitted soon. That’s how it works. You’re missing the point. Nothing has really changed. Cases are still high. People are still in hospitals. The numbers are similar to the last several months when we were locked down. What changed? The “science” didn’t change. The political winds changed. The virus will virus. We still have covid, always will. Political turds used it for political purposes. Now they are easing mandates for political purposes. When it becomes advantageous to lock down again, they will. The numbers will justify it at any point in time.Goduckies said:
So 180 people got it but none are in the hospitals... got it... again this is coming from people who worked in the hospital that was inundated with covid two months ago.MikeDamone said:
Point is it's not gone, and mandates being lifted are for political expediency. I know many nurses who said masks were bullshit in most situations and I know some who lost their jobs over vaccine mandates.Goduckies said:Yes they are transitioning to a new system. IT guys have been here all week... and i trust the nurses that are no longer wearing their masks as much over you.
If you believe masks made any measurable difference, you believe a lie. Look no further than deaths by state and rationalize states that did very little as far as mandates/lockdowns go and those that lockdown hard.
Also, the case count is spiking…Bigly
Seams that Omicron really is a cold.
Your argument seems to be politicians and public health experts really nailed it with their policies and now we are finally over it. -
I don't disagree that it's theater, but i was just giving my experience from CDA and driving these nurses that FEMA flew in because we had such a bad case of it up here... and the fact we have zero means something.MikeDamone said:
My point is the cases,deaths, and hospitalization rates have nothing to do with being "over it". We weren't over it in the past with the same or even better numbers. It's 100% political theater and emotion based. Always was.Goduckies said:Also numbers are not high cases dropped from 800k to about 30k... that isn't high.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life.
If your old, fat and with diabetes Covid is just one of many things to worry about health wise. Being fat and with diabetes are 1 and 2. Maybe lose the weight rather than cower and lecture others for not "caring about others" -
You don't have zero. And cases are climbing. You have also had the hospitalization numbers you have now before.Goduckies said:
I don't disagree that it's theater, but i was just giving my experience from CDA and driving these nurses that FEMA flew in because we had such a bad case of it up here... and the fact we have zero means something.MikeDamone said:
My point is the cases,deaths, and hospitalization rates have nothing to do with being "over it". We weren't over it in the past with the same or even better numbers. It's 100% political theater and emotion based. Always was.Goduckies said:Also numbers are not high cases dropped from 800k to about 30k... that isn't high.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life.
If your old, fat and with diabetes Covid is just one of many things to worry about health wise. Being fat and with diabetes are 1 and 2. Maybe lose the weight rather than cower and lecture others for not "caring about others"
Currently the most cases since the 12/2020 peak.
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Look at the bright side the Flu is back it'll kill as many as it always does and we don't shut down shit!
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I guess all the different nurses including the ones who's contracts just ended are lying? Nah, I trust them. BMikeDamone said:
You don't have zero. And cases are climbing. You have also had the hospitalization numbers you have now before.Goduckies said:
I don't disagree that it's theater, but i was just giving my experience from CDA and driving these nurses that FEMA flew in because we had such a bad case of it up here... and the fact we have zero means something.MikeDamone said:
My point is the cases,deaths, and hospitalization rates have nothing to do with being "over it". We weren't over it in the past with the same or even better numbers. It's 100% political theater and emotion based. Always was.Goduckies said:Also numbers are not high cases dropped from 800k to about 30k... that isn't high.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life.
If your old, fat and with diabetes Covid is just one of many things to worry about health wise. Being fat and with diabetes are 1 and 2. Maybe lose the weight rather than cower and lecture others for not "caring about others"
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Perception changed. But don’t let the facts and stats get in the way of that. Feelings matter.Goduckies said:
I guess all the different nurses including the ones who's contracts just ended are lying? Nah, I trust them. BMikeDamone said:
You don't have zero. And cases are climbing. You have also had the hospitalization numbers you have now before.Goduckies said:
I don't disagree that it's theater, but i was just giving my experience from CDA and driving these nurses that FEMA flew in because we had such a bad case of it up here... and the fact we have zero means something.MikeDamone said:
My point is the cases,deaths, and hospitalization rates have nothing to do with being "over it". We weren't over it in the past with the same or even better numbers. It's 100% political theater and emotion based. Always was.Goduckies said:Also numbers are not high cases dropped from 800k to about 30k... that isn't high.
And no my point was that we are over it... had nothing to do with who's policies were correct or not.. I prefer the approach of over 65 or fat or diabetes ans you need to be very very very careful... if not live your life.
If your old, fat and with diabetes Covid is just one of many things to worry about health wise. Being fat and with diabetes are 1 and 2. Maybe lose the weight rather than cower and lecture others for not "caring about others"
Currently the most cases since the 12/2020 peak.
Deaths spiked up some last September. Thing we lower last summer than now. It’s just going along like it always has. “We” simply declared it over….that’s the big change.
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No, I just gave up... I know what they told me... I know what I am experiencing and it isn't worth a fight. My whole point is we had a major spike in September which your graph shows( coincidentally that's when I got delta) and have been a crisis state with fema brought in until just recently. Now we have cases at the hospital dropping off a cliff to zero... and those nurses are all going home that's a big thing.
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Follow the money. Also. Not zero.Goduckies said:No, I just gave up... I know what they told me... I know what I am experiencing and it isn't worth a fight. My whole point is we had a major spike in September which your graph shows( coincidentally that's when I got delta) and have been a crisis state with fema brought in until just recently. Now we have cases at the hospital dropping off a cliff to zero... and those nurses are all going home that's a big thing.
Biden declared it over because of polls. Not Covid data. FEMA money gone, nurses gone. Don't kid yourself. Deaths haven't changed. More Covid spending was taken out of the recently passed spending bill. -
Does CNN still have their on screen Covid death counter?
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Heard this exact point from some HC official talking about the flu being the virus we really need to be conscious of right now and protecting yourself. Guy said Covid was no longer the primary viral concern.Sledog said:Look at the bright side the Flu is back it'll kill as many as it always does and we don't shut down shit!
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Why would Joey's communications department be reporting on something Joey defeated?SFGbob said:Does CNN still have their on screen Covid death counter?
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Victory declared, money cut off from paying FEMA nurses, moved on to Putin. Meanwhile we are at the same level of Covid as we were months ago and higher than when things were first shut down. It's science.46XiJCAB said:
Why would Joey's communications department be reporting on something Joey defeated?SFGbob said:Does CNN still have their on screen Covid death counter?
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Current 7 day average deaths in Washington is 20. About the same as March 2020 - Mid December 2020. And less than the majority of weeks from March 2021 to September 2021. In the past 2 years the death peak was 5 weeks ago…..but now it’s over. The response to covid wasn’t bullshit from day 1 was it. Say it’s not so! The CoronaBros will never admit it though. They love being lied to and controlled.
Also watch for a change in counting dying with covid to dying from covid. Follow the money…
