How this plays out...
It will likely be cyber against us and possibly the most serious we've ever seen. This is how world wars start. Maybe biden was right when he was talking about a dark winter of death. Winter is not over.
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Meaningfully, there’s not a lot the US or Western World can do to avoid a conflict if Putin decides that’s his plan
Anybody that thinks that Putin is stopping at Ukraine if he’s able to ultimately gain control is foolish
When he eventually heads to a NATO country, do the European NATO countries have the balls to do what they’ve agreed to do?
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Russia needs at least 500,000 to realistically occupy Ukraine. Even then, they'd have to fight a Chechen style war. That didn't go well for them. It was stupid to invade, and I don't know how well this is going to work out for them.
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According to political analyst Boris Epshsteyn, there isn't tons of support amongst the Russian people for this invasion.hardhat said:Russia needs at least 500,000 to realistically occupy Ukraine. Even then, they'd have to fight a Chechen style war. That didn't go well for them. It was stupid to invade, and I don't know how well this is going to work out for them.
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They're cremating their own soldiers on the battle field so that Russians back home don't see all the bodies coming back.DerekJohnson said:
According to political analyst Boris Epshsteyn, there isn't tons of support amongst the Russian people for this invasion.hardhat said:Russia needs at least 500,000 to realistically occupy Ukraine. Even then, they'd have to fight a Chechen style war. That didn't go well for them. It was stupid to invade, and I don't know how well this is going to work out for them.
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WowBleachedAnusDawg said:
They're cremating their own soldiers on the battle field so that Russians back home don't see all the bodies coming back.DerekJohnson said:
According to political analyst Boris Epshsteyn, there isn't tons of support amongst the Russian people for this invasion.hardhat said:Russia needs at least 500,000 to realistically occupy Ukraine. Even then, they'd have to fight a Chechen style war. That didn't go well for them. It was stupid to invade, and I don't know how well this is going to work out for them.
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War Crimes have no limitationsBleachedAnusDawg said:
They're cremating their own soldiers on the battle field so that Russians back home don't see all the bodies coming back.DerekJohnson said:
According to political analyst Boris Epshsteyn, there isn't tons of support amongst the Russian people for this invasion.hardhat said:Russia needs at least 500,000 to realistically occupy Ukraine. Even then, they'd have to fight a Chechen style war. That didn't go well for them. It was stupid to invade, and I don't know how well this is going to work out for them.
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Throughout history with people like putin you can't apply logic. The only consistency is the desire to rule, own, dominate. Putin is clearly not going to stop at Ukraine. The numbers were clearly not in hitlers favor but he did what all putin and hitler types do, he overplayed his hand. Logic was not a factor.
In modern history the constant is Europe's behavior of doing nothing in the face of obvious danger and cuddling up to evil dictators..
History just keeps on repeating itself over and over and over again. We have seen this movie more than once. The same people types and countries doing the same fucking things. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Putin will have to be stopped but this time there is no strong leader or country to force any change. It certainly isn't the USA, our armed forces have skirt wearing men and an 80 year old commander in chief who was actually in bed with the Russians and got paid for it. A guy who ridiculously boasted that putin was afraid of him. We are now a nation full of woke pussies who hate their country. Anyone over 40 have any confidence in the younger generation signing up to fight evil? Me either.
NATO? name one thing NATO has done that strikes fear into any dictators heart.
Putin is renewing history. The world gets fat and happy. Self centered, lazy and local. A crazy despot clearly sees the opening and takes it only to meet a violent end by the lazy and narcissistic populace who hopefully and finally snap out of it and realize what is happening. They learn their lesson for 50 years and renew investment in armaments and readiness because they remember there are bad guys out there. Slowly the memory dies off and you start getting fat and lazy again and turning your armed forces into a politically woke organization and the whole thing starts all over again.
Someone in Europe is going to have to step up and I have zero clue who that is going to be. -
It will have to be a Brit or a German. France is France and NOGAF about any of the other countries.Bendintheriver said:Throughout history with people like putin you can't apply logic. The only consistency is the desire to rule, own, dominate. Putin is clearly not going to stop at Ukraine. The numbers were clearly not in hitlers favor but he did what all putin and hitler types do, he overplayed his hand. Logic was not a factor.
In modern history the constant is Europe's behavior of doing nothing in the face of obvious danger and cuddling up to evil dictators..
History just keeps on repeating itself over and over and over again. We have seen this movie more than once. The same people types and countries doing the same fucking things. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Putin will have to be stopped but this time there is no strong leader or country to force any change. It certainly isn't the USA, our armed forces have skirt wearing men and an 80 year old commander in chief who was actually in bed with the Russians and got paid for it. A guy who ridiculously boasted that putin was afraid of him. We are now a nation full of woke pussies who hate their country. Anyone over 40 have any confidence in the younger generation signing up to fight evil? Me either.
NATO? name one thing NATO has done that strikes fear into any dictators heart.
Putin is renewing history. The world gets fat and happy. Self centered, lazy and local. A crazy despot clearly sees the opening and takes it only to meet a violent end by the lazy and narcissistic populace who hopefully and finally snap out of it and realize what is happening. They learn their lesson for 50 years and renew investment in armaments and readiness because they remember there are bad guys out there. Slowly the memory dies off and you start getting fat and lazy again and turning your armed forces into a politically woke organization and the whole thing starts all over again.
Someone in Europe is going to have to step up and I have zero clue who that is going to be. -
What’s Putins long play in this? Russian people are against the invasion, and Ukrainians aren’t about to give up. At this point I’d like to see how the pro Russian folks in Crimea think about the situation- pretty certain even they would be against the aggression.
So when this results in a standstill, or Poland, Czech Republic, and other former Soviet states get involved does Putin escalate? He doesn’t appear to be the type who will tuck tail and head back to the Kremlin. In his soul Putin is a mobster, and they don’t like to show weakness knowing someone else is in the wings.
Putin distracted the West with his Just the Tip statements about what he was about to annex. All the while, positioning his troops so he could attempt to topple the entire country. Is this a distraction while he allies with Xi?
Just hope we’re not playing checkers while he plays chess. Of course with the folks we have in the White House it’s more like finger painting. One of my biggest fears is Russia and China’s willingness to play in the cyber hacking world. More and more business in the world being done via Internet based apps. We saw what happened in the US when Colonial Pipeline was shut down- what happens when hackers take control of state and local government networks for ransom ware or other means?
Again, this is the long game, Putin knows the value of patience. And my guess is he’s looking for a knee jerk reaction to make his move. -
My pure guess is the Germans won't do shit because of energy: 50% of it coming from Russia. It will be up to the Brits. Like always.
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This ends in a few weeks with the eastern chunk of Ukraine as a quasi-Russian state, rest of Ukraine as a demilitarized state that will never join NATO, and a bunch of sanctions that won’t touch oil or natural gas but will probably push Russia to closer ties with China and will push a few folks (India and Pakistan types) to separate deals with that axis. All the stuff of Cold War wet dreamers…
Biggest worry is if China looks at this and the vegetable Biden and decides to make a play… -
If we learn one thing from this episode it is that when the bad guys tell you they are going to do something, all the heel tapping happy happy dreams are not going to make the threat anything other than real. China has said they are going to take Taiwan back and they will and we won't do a damn thing to stop them.HoustonHusky said:This ends in a few weeks with the eastern chunk of Ukraine as a quasi-Russian state, rest of Ukraine as a demilitarized state that will never join NATO, and a bunch of sanctions that won’t touch oil or natural gas but will probably push Russia to closer ties with China and will push a few folks (India and Pakistan types) to separate deals with that axis. All the stuff of Cold War wet dreamers…
Biggest worry is if China looks at this and the vegetable Biden and decides to make a play… -
"Putin will have to be stopped but this time there is no strong leader or country to force any change. It certainly isn't the USA, our armed forces have skirt wearing men and an 80 year old commander in chief who was actually in bed with the Russians and got paid for it. A guy who ridiculously boasted that putin was afraid of him. We are now a nation full of woke pussies who hate their country. Anyone over 40 have any confidence in the younger generation signing up to fight evil? Me either."
If we had any leadership, then I do have confidence in the under 40 year old that would volunteer for the military. The problem is that the professional officer class (over 35) is a neutered mess. Think of the traitor Colonel Vindman. He shouldn't be a Scoutmaster, let alone a US colonel.
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This.HoustonHusky said:This ends in a few weeks with the eastern chunk of Ukraine as a quasi-Russian state, rest of Ukraine as a demilitarized state that will never join NATO, and a bunch of sanctions that won’t touch oil or natural gas but will probably push Russia to closer ties with China and will push a few folks (India and Pakistan types) to separate deals with that axis. All the stuff of Cold War wet dreamers…
Biggest worry is if China looks at this and the vegetable Biden and decides to make a play…
I'm not buying the 'Putin is Hitler where will it end' talk.
Biden brought this on himself for trying to talk tough from behind his sippy cup. All they had to do weeks ago was tell Putin Ukraine wouldn't ever be a part of NATO. This has been an overt red-line of Putin's for 15 years. They do this and it knee caps Putin's justifications - real or imagined.
With all that said, China will make a move on Taiwan.
What is sippy cup going to do then? End Hunter's allowance?
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Biden’s “sanctions”
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The Vegetable couldn't pull the possibility of NATO off the table. The receipts are being held in Ukraine.pawz said:
This.HoustonHusky said:This ends in a few weeks with the eastern chunk of Ukraine as a quasi-Russian state, rest of Ukraine as a demilitarized state that will never join NATO, and a bunch of sanctions that won’t touch oil or natural gas but will probably push Russia to closer ties with China and will push a few folks (India and Pakistan types) to separate deals with that axis. All the stuff of Cold War wet dreamers…
Biggest worry is if China looks at this and the vegetable Biden and decides to make a play…
I'm not buying the 'Putin is Hitler where will it end' talk.
Biden brought this on himself for trying to talk tough from behind his sippy cup. All they had to do weeks ago was tell Putin Ukraine wouldn't ever be a part of NATO. This has been an overt red-line of Putin's for 15 years. They do this and it knee caps Putin's justifications - real or imagined.
With all that said, China will make a move on Taiwan.
What is sippy cup going to do then? End Hunter's allowance? -
Ukraine was the lefts money laundering and finances. Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, Romney all had kids in their companies making stupid money for sitting at home. Dirty money goes in clean money comes out. All the records are there and they don't want us seeing them. Putin knows this as well. What's the real reason? Getting rid of all that BS in Ukraine hurts the deep state.....
LOL found this right after I poasted.
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2022/02/26/peter-schweizer-russian-oligarchs-holding-assets-for-putin-probably-have-very-embarrassing-material-on-hunter-biden/ -
46XiJCAB said:
The Vegetable couldn't pull the possibility of NATO off the table. The receipts are being held in Ukraine.pawz said:
This.HoustonHusky said:This ends in a few weeks with the eastern chunk of Ukraine as a quasi-Russian state, rest of Ukraine as a demilitarized state that will never join NATO, and a bunch of sanctions that won’t touch oil or natural gas but will probably push Russia to closer ties with China and will push a few folks (India and Pakistan types) to separate deals with that axis. All the stuff of Cold War wet dreamers…
Biggest worry is if China looks at this and the vegetable Biden and decides to make a play…
I'm not buying the 'Putin is Hitler where will it end' talk.
Biden brought this on himself for trying to talk tough from behind his sippy cup. All they had to do weeks ago was tell Putin Ukraine wouldn't ever be a part of NATO. This has been an overt red-line of Putin's for 15 years. They do this and it knee caps Putin's justifications - real or imagined.
With all that said, China will make a move on Taiwan.
What is sippy cup going to do then? End Hunter's allowance?
For those not on Telegram, the rumor floating around is MULTIPLE bio-weapons labs in Ukraine with US ties.
"Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect that the NIH has not never and does not now fund gain-of-function research [in Ukraine]."
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France did capture a Russian cargo ship today, so they have at least done something.Swaye said:
It will have to be a Brit or a German. France is France and NOGAF about any of the other countries.Bendintheriver said:Throughout history with people like putin you can't apply logic. The only consistency is the desire to rule, own, dominate. Putin is clearly not going to stop at Ukraine. The numbers were clearly not in hitlers favor but he did what all putin and hitler types do, he overplayed his hand. Logic was not a factor.
In modern history the constant is Europe's behavior of doing nothing in the face of obvious danger and cuddling up to evil dictators..
History just keeps on repeating itself over and over and over again. We have seen this movie more than once. The same people types and countries doing the same fucking things. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Putin will have to be stopped but this time there is no strong leader or country to force any change. It certainly isn't the USA, our armed forces have skirt wearing men and an 80 year old commander in chief who was actually in bed with the Russians and got paid for it. A guy who ridiculously boasted that putin was afraid of him. We are now a nation full of woke pussies who hate their country. Anyone over 40 have any confidence in the younger generation signing up to fight evil? Me either.
NATO? name one thing NATO has done that strikes fear into any dictators heart.
Putin is renewing history. The world gets fat and happy. Self centered, lazy and local. A crazy despot clearly sees the opening and takes it only to meet a violent end by the lazy and narcissistic populace who hopefully and finally snap out of it and realize what is happening. They learn their lesson for 50 years and renew investment in armaments and readiness because they remember there are bad guys out there. Slowly the memory dies off and you start getting fat and lazy again and turning your armed forces into a politically woke organization and the whole thing starts all over again.
Someone in Europe is going to have to step up and I have zero clue who that is going to be. -
70% but yeahBendintheriver said:My pure guess is the Germans won't do shit because of energy: 50% of it coming from Russia. It will be up to the Brits. Like always.
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pawz said:46XiJCAB said:
The Vegetable couldn't pull the possibility of NATO off the table. The receipts are being held in Ukraine.pawz said:
This.HoustonHusky said:This ends in a few weeks with the eastern chunk of Ukraine as a quasi-Russian state, rest of Ukraine as a demilitarized state that will never join NATO, and a bunch of sanctions that won’t touch oil or natural gas but will probably push Russia to closer ties with China and will push a few folks (India and Pakistan types) to separate deals with that axis. All the stuff of Cold War wet dreamers…
Biggest worry is if China looks at this and the vegetable Biden and decides to make a play…
I'm not buying the 'Putin is Hitler where will it end' talk.
Biden brought this on himself for trying to talk tough from behind his sippy cup. All they had to do weeks ago was tell Putin Ukraine wouldn't ever be a part of NATO. This has been an overt red-line of Putin's for 15 years. They do this and it knee caps Putin's justifications - real or imagined.
With all that said, China will make a move on Taiwan.
What is sippy cup going to do then? End Hunter's allowance?
For those not on Telegram, the rumor floating around is MULTIPLE bio-weapons labs in Ukraine with US ties.
"Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect that the NIH has not never and does not now fund gain-of-function research [in Ukraine]."
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Obk is somewhere shaking his monitor.pawz said:pawz said:46XiJCAB said:
The Vegetable couldn't pull the possibility of NATO off the table. The receipts are being held in Ukraine.pawz said:
This.HoustonHusky said:This ends in a few weeks with the eastern chunk of Ukraine as a quasi-Russian state, rest of Ukraine as a demilitarized state that will never join NATO, and a bunch of sanctions that won’t touch oil or natural gas but will probably push Russia to closer ties with China and will push a few folks (India and Pakistan types) to separate deals with that axis. All the stuff of Cold War wet dreamers…
Biggest worry is if China looks at this and the vegetable Biden and decides to make a play…
I'm not buying the 'Putin is Hitler where will it end' talk.
Biden brought this on himself for trying to talk tough from behind his sippy cup. All they had to do weeks ago was tell Putin Ukraine wouldn't ever be a part of NATO. This has been an overt red-line of Putin's for 15 years. They do this and it knee caps Putin's justifications - real or imagined.
With all that said, China will make a move on Taiwan.
What is sippy cup going to do then? End Hunter's allowance?
For those not on Telegram, the rumor floating around is MULTIPLE bio-weapons labs in Ukraine with US ties.
"Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect that the NIH has not never and does not now fund gain-of-function research [in Ukraine]." -
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The nicest way I can say this is that the grasp of the situation here is very low. It’s mostly conspiracy theories and or incorrect assumptions. This is borne of looking at it through an American political lens, and just a simple lack of rudimentary knowledge of the region.
I don’t have any ideas with even partial confidence on how this plays out anymore, and I bet no one does. I’m consistently surprised at developments, and I’m more involved in this than 99.99% of the population.
I haven’t been able to reach my 88 year old grandmother for three days now, and she lives in the center of Kyiv. A friend is supposed to check on her when he’s not busy patrolling, but the metro has been shut down to be used exclusively as a bomb shelter, driving is obviously not safe, and the roving bands of civvy dressed Russian various VDV, Alfa, and Vympel units are a really good reason to limit exposure on the streets. Hence the curfew. A big advantage for the locals that it’s very easy to determine who is a local and who isn’t by their inability to speak any Ukrainian. Kind of reminds me of the stories of American GIs asking Germans saboteurs dressed in US gear whether Lou Gehrig or Ted Williams is their favorite Yankee.
If I had to guess on how this plays out the only certainty I have is “not well.” Considering that’s how it’s always been there I think it’s a safe bet. The only other really sure bet is that the US is in absolutely no danger beyond some relatively minor economic boo-boos that are a small fraction of either Dubya boondoggle. -
Look forward to hearing more input.RatherBeBrewing said:The nicest way I can say this is that the grasp of the situation here is very low. It’s mostly conspiracy theories and or incorrect assumptions. This is borne of looking at it through an American political lens, and just a simple lack of rudimentary knowledge of the region.
I don’t have any ideas with even partial confidence on how this plays out anymore, and I bet no one does. I’m consistently surprised at developments, and I’m more involved in this than 99.99% of the population.
I haven’t been able to reach my 88 year old grandmother for three days now, and she lives in the center of Kyiv. A friend is supposed to check on her when he’s not busy patrolling, but the metro has been shut down to be used exclusively as a bomb shelter, driving is obviously not safe, and the roving bands of civvy dressed Russian various VDV, Alfa, and Vympel units are a really good reason to limit exposure on the streets. Hence the curfew. A big advantage for the locals that it’s very easy to determine who is a local and who isn’t by their inability to speak any Ukrainian. Kind of reminds me of the stories of American GIs asking Germans saboteurs dressed in US gear whether Lou Gehrig or Ted Williams is their favorite Yankee.
If I had to guess on how this plays out the only certainty I have is “not well.” Considering that’s how it’s always been there I think it’s a safe bet. The only other really sure bet is that the US is in absolutely no danger beyond some relatively minor economic boo-boos that are a small fraction of either Dubya boondoggle.
Best of luck to your family. God speed.
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Ukraine is winning the information war rather easily. I hope the rest goes as well.
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Why didn't Russia just take out some ads on Facebook?GrundleStiltzkin said:Ukraine is winning the information war rather easily. I hope the rest goes as well.
