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NATO got us into this mess, it's their job to get out of it...

DoogieMcDoogerson
DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509
That's my viewpoint. They've slowly added European and former soviet block countries and that is a direct threat to Russia. This is NATOs problem to own, even more specifically, this is largely European NATO members' problem to own. The US absolutely should not be sticking their neck out here. Why are we poking the bear? ( I know, to wag the dog ).

But this is not your ordinary bear. Very dangerous game.

I have a bad feeling about this.

Time to stock up on the TP, meat, gas, and medicines.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited February 2022
    Luckily we have Biden and his team of adults in charge. His kickass presser let Russia know they mean business. They're going to sanction....checks notes...people who have already been under or are already on sanctions. That's how you do it.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    Biden has Built Back Better the Taliban and the USSR.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,136 Standard Supporter
    Is Joe getting his standard 10% off the top in $USD, rubles or Xuan?

  • SkipBoyd
    SkipBoyd Member Posts: 403

    That's my viewpoint. They've slowly added European and former soviet block countries and that is a direct threat to Russia. This is NATOs problem to own, even more specifically, this is largely European NATO members' problem to own. The US absolutely should not be sticking their neck out here. Why are we poking the bear? ( I know, to wag the dog ).

    But this is not your ordinary bear. Very dangerous game.

    I have a bad feeling about this.

    Time to stock up on the TP, meat, gas, and medicines.

    Unfortunately the good ole' USA sings: "We! are! NA-TO!, dum de dum dum dum dum dum!"
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    Wasn’t there a Canadian/US oil pipeline that would have solved most oil supply issues with Russia? What ever happened to that?
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    Honestly, if Canada and the US dedicated 15 years of heavy drilling and Western Europe embargoed all energy purchases from Russia and purchased solely from Canada, the US, and the Middle East, Russia would be as economically impactful as Uganda.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509

    Problem is, we are NATO

    We weren't NATO back when the last guy was in charge. He made that fucking clear.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509
    Watching Blinken talk. He will sound credible to the American people who watch the mainstream media, but in reality's he's part of the Biden admin and is fucking this up. Also, he looks like he's been up for 72 hrs straight.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509
    "If and when Russia escalates, so we will we." Final words in the press conference.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,136 Standard Supporter

    Honestly, if Canada and the US dedicated 15 years of heavy drilling and Western Europe embargoed all energy purchases from Russia and purchased solely from Canada, the US, and the Middle East, Russia would be as economically impactful as Uganda.

    Norway could solve the problem in a heartbeat.

    The North Sea reserves are massive.

  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Problem is, we are NATO

    We weren't NATO back when the last guy was in charge. He made that fucking clear.
    Well Son of a Bitch.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,551 Founders Club
    And here we are talking about nothing but Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,978
    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    Get your ass over there and fight then

    Hillary loves Russia

    Your people

    You couldn't wait to get strength out of the white house comrade
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,978

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    Get your ass over there and fight then

    Hillary loves Russia

    Your people

    You couldn't wait to get strength out of the white house comrade
    Can't do that. I've got to save my strength to fight China.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509
    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    Get your ass over there and fight then

    Hillary loves Russia

    Your people

    You couldn't wait to get strength out of the white house comrade

    Can't do that. I've got to save my strength to fight China.
    The other commies your team did the bidding of
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,978

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,978

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
    How are we backing out? When you're dealing with an enemy that has a frail and failing economy, there are many ways to strike them that don't involve us doing the fighting.

  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
    How are we backing out? When you're dealing with an enemy that has a frail and failing economy, there are many ways to strike them that don't involve us doing the fighting.

    I'd say that remains to be seen. The key thing is if we threaten like we are and then just let them roll in, we look weak. Obviously Russia is prepared to take whatever non-military stuff we would throw at them. They're smart enough to know what that might be.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,509
    Ukrainian Foreign Minister now on Fox News:

    ?: Why should Americans care?


    1) Ukraine gave up their nukes in 1994 for the betterment of world security. America committed to helping defend us. America needs to keep their commitment.
    2) If Russia is allowed to invade Ukraine, this sends a message to Russia, China, and the rest of the world that the West can't defend and protect what is important to them - Democracy

    Stakes seem kind of high here. But his mean tweets!
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Careful, you’re going to get a down vote from Mello
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,978

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Should NATO have expanded in the 90s? Maybe not. And perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin really were promised it would not, just as the Russians claim.

    But it's 2022, Russia is run by a kleptocracy and headed by a thug. Poor mouthing NATO because some long for isolationism would be foolish.

    One of the most reasonable comments I've ever seen you post.

    With that said, when diplomacy fails, should we enter the war? Hopefully the current administration has thought that far ahead because that's what's going to happen and China is sitting back watching how we respond.
    I don't think we can afford to enter a war with Russia. China would love that.
    OK, so then why are we bothering with all this, then? When we back out of the fight, we are going to look even weaker to china.
    How are we backing out? When you're dealing with an enemy that has a frail and failing economy, there are many ways to strike them that don't involve us doing the fighting.

    I'd say that remains to be seen. The key thing is if we threaten like we are and then just let them roll in, we look weak. Obviously Russia is prepared to take whatever non-military stuff we would throw at them. They're smart enough to know what that might be.
    I don't think there's anyone who's so smart that they know what comes of launching a war. I think Russia will take significant casualties and that its economy will take a significant hit. We haven't said we'll fight, so I don't think we signal weakness by not doing so.

    If Russia is making a mistake, well, you know what The Art of War says about that.