Brock Huard statement about DeBoer
This was told to me by an acquaintance of mine and I didn't hear the actual interview. But it doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.
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It’s going to be his staff that will sink recruiting
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It’s going to be Karen Ramming, the incompetent NIL strategy by UW and prohibition of boosters doing what everyone else is doing by the UW administration to ensure things are done the right way that will sink recruiting.JoeEDangerously said:It’s going to be his staff that will sink recruiting
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That tooLawDawg1 said:
It’s going to be Karen Ramming, the incompetent NIL strategy by UW and prohibition of boosters doing what everyone else is doing by the UW administration to ensure things are done the right way that will sink recruiting.JoeEDangerously said:It’s going to be his staff that will sink recruiting
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Opinions on coaches change all the time. It will be chinteresting
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Even Ty and Sark have had top 25 classes at UW. Pick the right players. Develop them. Profit.
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I have a long history of always hating the corches and always blaming everything on them, but honest to fuck the entire paradigm of recruiting has changed. It is not as easy as saying "sell them" and "winners win" now. That isn't an excuse. It's reality. You absolutely MUST have an AD that encourages a robust and competitive NIL program, or you can have the best recruiters ever and you are never going to be top of conference. Now you have to be great recruiters AND have a well oiled payoff machine via NIL. I fear we are never going to know how good Boner and his corches are because he is never going to be backed by a strong pay to play NIL program. So, back of the bus while Ramming and Cohen trade recipes for bar cookies.
TL;DR: Boner is a one armed man in a paperhanging contest without NIL. -
DeBoer can pick the right players but getting them to UW might be something elseRoadDawg55 said:Even Ty and Sark have had top 25 classes at UW. Pick the right players. Develop them. Profit.
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He will get 25 playoff-caliber diamonds in the rough each year who will leave for a pay raise as sophomores and juniors.DerekJohnson said:
DeBoer can pick the right players but getting them to UW might be something elseRoadDawg55 said:Even Ty and Sark have had top 25 classes at UW. Pick the right players. Develop them. Profit.
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99.9% of coaching hires suck until they dont.
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I mostly agree but I don’t think NIL is gonna change much of anything. The schools down South will still rule.Swaye said:I have a long history of always hating the corches and always blaming everything on them, but honest to fuck the entire paradigm of recruiting has changed. It is not as easy as saying "sell them" and "winners win" now. That isn't an excuse. It's reality. You absolutely MUST have an AD that encourages a robust and competitive NIL program, or you can have the best recruiters ever and you are never going to be top of conference. Now you have to be great recruiters AND have a well oiled payoff machine via NIL. I fear we are never going to know how good Boner and his corches are because he is never going to be backed by a strong pay to play NIL program. So, back of the bus while Ramming and Cohen trade recipes for bar cookies.
TL;DR: Boner is a one armed man in a paperhanging contest without NIL.
That said, our AD sucks and does not do everything they can to help us win. If DeBoer is good he will win the PAC 12 in the next 3-4 years. I might give him some slight leeway next year, but with the portal, he should win. The players he needs to win with are already on the team. -
Don James never had to deal with the NIL, a strong USC, an Oregon club with a NC caliber coach, a AZ team that has the best recruiting class in the conference, or a WSU team celebrating a historical season.RoadDawg55 said:
I mostly agree but I don’t think NIL is gonna change much of anything. The schools down South will still rule.Swaye said:I have a long history of always hating the corches and always blaming everything on them, but honest to fuck the entire paradigm of recruiting has changed. It is not as easy as saying "sell them" and "winners win" now. That isn't an excuse. It's reality. You absolutely MUST have an AD that encourages a robust and competitive NIL program, or you can have the best recruiters ever and you are never going to be top of conference. Now you have to be great recruiters AND have a well oiled payoff machine via NIL. I fear we are never going to know how good Boner and his corches are because he is never going to be backed by a strong pay to play NIL program. So, back of the bus while Ramming and Cohen trade recipes for bar cookies.
TL;DR: Boner is a one armed man in a paperhanging contest without NIL.
That said, our AD sucks and does not do everything they can to help us win. If DeBoer is good he will win the PAC 12 in the next 3-4 years. I might give him some slight leeway next year, but with the portal, he should win. The players he needs to win with are already on the team. -
I’m a pretty firm believer that in the pre NIL world, the variable results of recruiting were almost perfectly correlated with the effort put forth by the staff. The fixed results correlated with facilities, history, school etc.
This staff has obviously is working hard so I have to come to the conclusion that any deficiencies in recruiting, relative to what UW should be able to do (no worse than too 20 National, 3rd in conference), is related to NIL.
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We’ll know everything we need to know about DeBoer as a recruiter with this 2023 class
If you can’t get to that Top 25 range with your first full class it’s hard to expect you ever will
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We should accept that we are a minor league program
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I think he can get them to UW, but picking the right players might be something else.DerekJohnson said:
DeBoer can pick the right players but getting them to UW might be something elseRoadDawg55 said:Even Ty and Sark have had top 25 classes at UW. Pick the right players. Develop them. Profit.
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KDB having an in home with Vega right before he committed to Penn State is a big red flag. A coach who has "it" when it comes to recruiting closes that deal.
So we'll see. I anticipate a mid-20s recruiting class in '23, which anyone with a pulse should be able to do at UW. Any higher than that would be a pleasant surprise based on what we've seen so far. -
I suspect UW will have a top 25 class for 2023 but it will be about 30-35 in terms of average stars since it will be a full 25.
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A week or two ago, somebody here finally found the decade+ old "Meet the Bagman" Grantland article and posted a link. A 5* QB or DE has been getting decently high six-figures for a looooooong time. My anal-Isis of NIL is and has been that it changes very little at the pointy end of dirty recruiting: The schools that are excelling in the NIL era are also the schools that excelled before, as they had a well-oiled machine already in place. The only thing that changed is that a lot of it is now a tax write-off and can be made to appear legal.Swaye said:I have a long history of always hating the corches and always blaming everything on them, but honest to fuck the entire paradigm of recruiting has changed. It is not as easy as saying "sell them" and "winners win" now. That isn't an excuse. It's reality. You absolutely MUST have an AD that encourages a robust and competitive NIL program, or you can have the best recruiters ever and you are never going to be top of conference. Now you have to be great recruiters AND have a well oiled payoff machine via NIL. I fear we are never going to know how good Boner and his corches are because he is never going to be backed by a strong pay to play NIL program. So, back of the bus while Ramming and Cohen trade recipes for bar cookies.
TL;DR: Boner is a one armed man in a paperhanging contest without NIL.
So SEC and a few choice other schools, with their network of bagmen and/or billionaire beneficiaries, pretty much walked into NIL ready to go. What has seemingly changed under NIL is that other schools now have a quicker and more direct path to the second tier if they choose to take it. UW seems to have chosen a quasi-status-quo approach of just selling the opportunity and location and development and education, etc. That was a good second tier recruiting strategy pre-NIL, but it's third tier at best now, when clearly even a school like Arizona is throwing around cash.
Long story short, I think the mistake people keep making around here is that now it's no longer about "sales." I've been beating the drum forever that--at the pointy end, at least--it never was. It's about money and, to a lesser extent, winning. Always has been. Thinking that UW could have prevented Ohio State from taking their lunch money if they just had better salesmen on staff was as naive as believing that Jedd fucking Fisch just went to a sales seminar or something and suddenly learned how to reel 'em in to a one-win team.
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If those guys that the feds caught facilitating six figure payments from a shoe company to basketball recruits are doing it then anyone can do it.1to392831weretaken said:
A week or two ago, somebody here finally found the decade+ old "Meet the Bagman" Grantland article and posted a link. A 5* QB or DE has been getting decently high six-figures for a looooooong time. My anal-Isis of NIL is and has been that it changes very little at the pointy end of dirty recruiting: The schools that are excelling in the NIL era are also the schools that excelled before, as they had a well-oiled machine already in place. The only thing that changed is that a lot of it is now a tax write-off and can be made to appear legal.Swaye said:I have a long history of always hating the corches and always blaming everything on them, but honest to fuck the entire paradigm of recruiting has changed. It is not as easy as saying "sell them" and "winners win" now. That isn't an excuse. It's reality. You absolutely MUST have an AD that encourages a robust and competitive NIL program, or you can have the best recruiters ever and you are never going to be top of conference. Now you have to be great recruiters AND have a well oiled payoff machine via NIL. I fear we are never going to know how good Boner and his corches are because he is never going to be backed by a strong pay to play NIL program. So, back of the bus while Ramming and Cohen trade recipes for bar cookies.
TL;DR: Boner is a one armed man in a paperhanging contest without NIL.
So SEC and a few choice other schools, with their network of bagmen and/or billionaire beneficiaries, pretty much walked into NIL ready to go. What has seemingly changed under NIL is that other schools now have a quicker and more direct path to the second tier if they choose to take it. UW seems to have chosen a quasi-status-quo approach of just selling the opportunity and location and development and education, etc. That was a good second tier recruiting strategy pre-NIL, but it's third tier at best now, when clearly even a school like Arizona is throwing around cash.
Long story short, I think the mistake people keep making around here is that now it's no longer about "sales." I've been beating the drum forever that--at the pointy end, at least--it never was. It's about money and, to a lesser extent, winning. Always has been. Thinking that UW could have prevented Ohio State from taking their lunch money if they just had better salesmen on staff was as naive as believing that Jedd fucking Fisch just went to a sales seminar or something and suddenly learned how to reel 'em in to a one-win team.
I know it’s a basketball school, but that’s kind of the point. No one really got in trouble after Louisville and some recruits got fucked, Sean Miller was on his way out anyway. Just another example of how you can do whatever the hell you want and this is enforcement now:
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Who wants to start a change.org petition to request that Seattle's own, Bill Gates, starts giving a shit about Husky Football?
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If I'm going to commit alot of $ to UW, I want to see a coach that can develop and do more with less, which is the position Boner is in. Why would a donor or alum or Bill Gates shell out coin for this? It's a sinking ship, and the only way to right it is to start winning, and yes, fire Cohen
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Do we have any real data on the Boundless Futures program or whatever the fuck we are calling our NIL program? Other than this recent news on players getting money from jersey sales I haven't heard anything concrete from the AD on NIL.
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I think the other thing that can’t be said enough with UW and NIL is that there is such a gray area out there and UW historically is paralyzed (upper campus and BoR) by anything that crosses into violating the rules
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That was a joke but I could see a donor / alum stepping up big if they had a good meeting with him.dannarc said:
If I'm going to commit alot of $ to UW, I want to see a coach that can develop and do more with less, which is the position Boner is in. Why would a donor or alum or Bill Gates shell out coin for this? It's a sinking ship, and the only way to right it is to start winning, and yes, fire Cohen
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Pitch it to Bill as a charitable endeavor to promote the prevention of a CFB message board from drinking themselves to death from shame and embarrassment…HFNY said:Who wants to start a change.org petition to request that Seattle's own, Bill Gates, starts giving a shit about Husky Football?
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@RaceBannon ??RatherBeBrewing said:
If those guys that the feds caught facilitating six figure payments from a shoe company to basketball recruits are doing it then anyone can do it.1to392831weretaken said:
A week or two ago, somebody here finally found the decade+ old "Meet the Bagman" Grantland article and posted a link. A 5* QB or DE has been getting decently high six-figures for a looooooong time. My anal-Isis of NIL is and has been that it changes very little at the pointy end of dirty recruiting: The schools that are excelling in the NIL era are also the schools that excelled before, as they had a well-oiled machine already in place. The only thing that changed is that a lot of it is now a tax write-off and can be made to appear legal.Swaye said:I have a long history of always hating the corches and always blaming everything on them, but honest to fuck the entire paradigm of recruiting has changed. It is not as easy as saying "sell them" and "winners win" now. That isn't an excuse. It's reality. You absolutely MUST have an AD that encourages a robust and competitive NIL program, or you can have the best recruiters ever and you are never going to be top of conference. Now you have to be great recruiters AND have a well oiled payoff machine via NIL. I fear we are never going to know how good Boner and his corches are because he is never going to be backed by a strong pay to play NIL program. So, back of the bus while Ramming and Cohen trade recipes for bar cookies.
TL;DR: Boner is a one armed man in a paperhanging contest without NIL.
So SEC and a few choice other schools, with their network of bagmen and/or billionaire beneficiaries, pretty much walked into NIL ready to go. What has seemingly changed under NIL is that other schools now have a quicker and more direct path to the second tier if they choose to take it. UW seems to have chosen a quasi-status-quo approach of just selling the opportunity and location and development and education, etc. That was a good second tier recruiting strategy pre-NIL, but it's third tier at best now, when clearly even a school like Arizona is throwing around cash.
Long story short, I think the mistake people keep making around here is that now it's no longer about "sales." I've been beating the drum forever that--at the pointy end, at least--it never was. It's about money and, to a lesser extent, winning. Always has been. Thinking that UW could have prevented Ohio State from taking their lunch money if they just had better salesmen on staff was as naive as believing that Jedd fucking Fisch just went to a sales seminar or something and suddenly learned how to reel 'em in to a one-win team.
I know it’s a basketball school, but that’s kind of the point. No one really got in trouble after Louisville and some recruits got fucked, Sean Miller was on his way out anyway. Just another example of how you can do whatever the hell you want and this is enforcement now: -
Meh, I don't put much stock in Brock.
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How long have you been waiting to unveil that line?TheHB said:Meh, I don't put much stock in Brock.
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With the NIL it’s going to be challenging for everyone not in the SEC
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I have many talents.DerekJohnson said:
How long have you been waiting to unveil that line?TheHB said:Meh, I don't put much stock in Brock.
