PAC 12 Early Signing Period Conference Rankings

I am afraid it is going to take a cycle to repair the recruiting brand degredation. It started at the end of the Petersen era - then turned into full fledged dumpster fire under Lake.

Hopefully we kill with tranfers in the meantime.

ChillyDawg said:

“The top priority was to get the guys that were committed – the guys that, when I looked at them on paper and watched their film and understood more about them, were guys that love this program, had deep ties to it in some ways, whether it’s because they were committed to it for a long time or local, whatever it might be,” he said via Dawgman. “That was a top priority.”

Sounds like he wants to build a fence around the state

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

That's bothersome, given the recent performance of Washington's offensive line. Huff might be one of the better recruiters, but if he can't get the most out of the OL that is there, then they are wasting the upside Penix provides.

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

That's bothersome, given the recent performance of Washington's offensive line. Huff might be one of the better recruiters, but if he can't get the most out of the OL that is there, then they are wasting the upside Penix provides.

Deboner’s pass protection schemes are much better than Petersen/Donovan plus we obviously have more OL talent than Indiana (they’ve been a disaster in pass pro, bottom 5 per pff for the last 3 years).

Haener nearly was Britain covey’d a handful of games this year. Their line was not good.

AtomicDawg said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

That's bothersome, given the recent performance of Washington's offensive line. Huff might be one of the better recruiters, but if he can't get the most out of the OL that is there, then they are wasting the upside Penix provides.

Deboner’s pass protection schemes are much better than Petersen/Donovan plus we obviously have more OL talent than Indiana (they’ve been a disaster in pass pro, bottom 5 per pff for the last 3 years).

Haener nearly was Britain covey’d a handful of games this year. Their line was not good.

Something something Fresno talent

backthepack said:

AtomicDawg said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

That's bothersome, given the recent performance of Washington's offensive line. Huff might be one of the better recruiters, but if he can't get the most out of the OL that is there, then they are wasting the upside Penix provides.

Deboner’s pass protection schemes are much better than Petersen/Donovan plus we obviously have more OL talent than Indiana (they’ve been a disaster in pass pro, bottom 5 per pff for the last 3 years).

Haener nearly was Britain covey’d a handful of games this year. Their line was not good.

Something something Fresno talent

They suck in conference games too. They’re just a below avg offensive line. Fresno beat writers would tell you as much too. There’s a reason they never considered bringing their shitty oLine coach. They think huff is a better option.

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

That's bothersome, given the recent performance of Washington's offensive line. Huff might be one of the better recruiters, but if he can't get the most out of the OL that is there, then they are wasting the upside Penix provides.

Deboner’s pass protection schemes are much better than Petersen/Donovan plus we obviously have more OL talent than Indiana (they’ve been a disaster in pass pro, bottom 5 per pff for the last 3 years).

I love ya kid, but it's these kinds of pronouncements that make me scratch my head. It's one thing for people to pop off on overall offensive schemes based on general observations of productivity or 4-3 vs. 3-4 and that sort of wasted breath. But do you really understand the difference between the two "pass protection schemes" and have any kind of basis for saying one is better other than the Fresno guy's scheme worked better this season for him ... at Fresno?

You may actually understand it, and if you do, I would suggest you are wasting your time here and might consider a career in coaching. I mean, if you are that into it, just fucking do it for a living and get off the internet.

I have a question for you, as a general fan of football, can you tell the difference between full slide protection vs half-slide protection?
No sarkasm just curious

Some dudes will really say “the Oline sucks” when the protection calls for Sean Mcgrew to block a fucking DT in the A gap after getting a fake handoff, that’s just dumb scheme, but it will work at Michigan State when you have a RB who’s yard jacked

No, not really, I can't. I can see players getting beat and obviously if a back in pass protection is either shitty at it or just doesn't have the mass to do it. But, no, I'm not that level. There are too many things I should be doing that I haven't yet done to take a deep dive into football scheme and nomenclature.

Said another way, when I see a good RB not able to get anywhere or a QB with people in his face a split second after the snap, I just say, "something's wrong with the O line." Or, said yet another way, I would never post that a new coach has better protection schemes and will therefore take the same O line and with that alone do better. I know some people can say those things and be right, but I'm not one of them.

And just to be clear, I didn't say the Washington O line sucks. I watched their games and saw they didn't have a particularly good year, but am not the guy who can accurately assess the talent.

RatherBeBrewing said:

AtomicDawg said:

backthepack said:

AtomicDawg said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

That's bothersome, given the recent performance of Washington's offensive line. Huff might be one of the better recruiters, but if he can't get the most out of the OL that is there, then they are wasting the upside Penix provides.

Deboner’s pass protection schemes are much better than Petersen/Donovan plus we obviously have more OL talent than Indiana (they’ve been a disaster in pass pro, bottom 5 per pff for the last 3 years).

Haener nearly was Britain covey’d a handful of games this year. Their line was not good.

Something something Fresno talent

They suck in conference games too. They’re just a below avg offensive line. Fresno beat writers would tell you as much too. There’s a reason they never considered bringing their shitty oLine coach. They think huff is a better option.

Overhyped Josh Shirley has more sacks in two possessions against Fresno than in two games against UW so I can see how they preferred Huff.

https://twitter.com/Jordan_Reid/status/1434220388163141644?s=20

I hate to disagree with noted football savant BTP, and his solid logic of Indiana sucking at pass pro but Washington having better talent means they will be great. Just looking at this one individual play it looks like a zone blocking scheme where it’s defeated by the least complex method that exists: a stunt, big DE/DT goes outside the rush end - the tackle doesn’t have a choice because if he doesn’t block that zone no one will, the LG is left holding his dick, the result is Haener shouldn’t use a white handkerchief to cough in that week.

This is a full slide protection with a TE attached to the island.
Which means, T slides to DE, G to DT, Center should slide to the left to help with inside games.
There is no stunt on this play.
Stunts include gap exchanges, if you really watch the play, the DE doesn’t switch spots or play a game with the DT, he beats the LT because he got too vertical in his step and left the inside exposed, so instead of staying wide and outside he “backdoor’d” the LT.
‘So why is the DT moving like that?’
Because he’s in the B gap, he saw how open the tackle left his inside, he just couldn’t get there fast enough. Tackle got beat and tried to make it look better by hitting the DT.

RatherBeBrewing said:

AtomicDawg said:

backthepack said:

AtomicDawg said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

backthepack said:

greenblood said:

HFNY said:

I praise Allah that this class was going to be on the smaller side anyway and the 2023 class is pretty deep in WA State.

Besides the big Penix get, where do fellow DAWGs think we need transfers? Younger guys would be ideal since the 2021 class was smaller and the 2022 class will be smaller than that. Are there any good players who were only at their schools for 1 or 2 seasons?

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Penix over Nix, but to say getting a QB coming off a 4-7 td/int ratio is "big" is troubling.

Yeah, he has glass bones. The upside is really good if you can protect him and keep him healthy.

That's bothersome, given the recent performance of Washington's offensive line. Huff might be one of the better recruiters, but if he can't get the most out of the OL that is there, then they are wasting the upside Penix provides.

Deboner’s pass protection schemes are much better than Petersen/Donovan plus we obviously have more OL talent than Indiana (they’ve been a disaster in pass pro, bottom 5 per pff for the last 3 years).

Haener nearly was Britain covey’d a handful of games this year. Their line was not good.

Something something Fresno talent

They suck in conference games too. They’re just a below avg offensive line. Fresno beat writers would tell you as much too. There’s a reason they never considered bringing their shitty oLine coach. They think huff is a better option.

Overhyped Josh Shirley has more sacks in two possessions against Fresno than in two games against UW so I can see how they preferred Huff.

https://twitter.com/Jordan_Reid/status/1434220388163141644?s=20

I hate to disagree with noted football savant BTP, and his solid logic of Indiana sucking at pass pro but Washington having better talent means they will be great. Just looking at this one individual play it looks like a zone blocking scheme where it’s defeated by the least complex method that exists: a stunt, big DE/DT goes outside the rush end - the tackle doesn’t have a choice because if he doesn’t block that zone no one will, the LG is left holding his dick, the result is Haener shouldn’t use a white handkerchief to cough in that week.

That’s just a simple slide protection and the tackle got beat huh?