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Now that we all agree healthcare isn't a right

RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
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Let's get back to pay for play. No more carrying the losers in life with our tax dollars

If you get sick you shouldn't have been poor

Better luck next time

Premium health insurance for those who can pay. Much lower rates without poor people on it

Healthcare is supposedly finite. Save it for the winners
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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Who agreed to that?
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    Brought to you by Pfizer
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  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,044 Standard Supporter
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,717 Founders Club
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    What year did it become a right?
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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Eh I'll argue in this day and age that a single person has no excuse for not having a job that covers the premium for them.

    I've always had that but now...eh. c'mon man
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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Pitchfork51 said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Eh I'll argue in this day and age that a single person has no excuse for not having a job that covers the premium for them.

    I've always had that but now...eh. c'mon man
    Does your argument consist of a single point besides “I did it”?
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,852
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Well, nothing, but I think you pick up on the overtones.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    Back to the point

    Healthcare isn't a right

    We all agree

    Let's stop wasting the finite resource on losers that can't pay

    You think the non vaxxed should be denied care. No difference
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    MelloDawg said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Well, nothing, but I think you pick up on the overtones.
    White fathers are not absent?

    Try to tamp down the latent racism please
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  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,268 Standard Supporter
    edited December 2021
    Healthcare isn’t a right. It involves a service from someone else. You cannot compel someone to perform a service for you.

    Freedom of speech is a right, as laid out by our constitution

    The right to defend yourself is laid out in our constitution

    The right to pursue prosperity is laid out in our constitution

    The right to practice your chosen religion is laid out in our constitution.

    The right to make someone else pay for your healthcare is nowhere implied in our constitution

    As a society, we should be judged by how we protect and care for the most vulnerable of our citizens. So we need to have a better system of offering care to those who cannot care for themselves. That does not mean creating a system that also benefits those who refuse to work or participate in our society.

    In other words, if you can’t afford care, you should have options that won’t ruin you financially, but this idea that everything should just be free is impossible. It’s a fantasy that is both unfair to those who work hard to pursue happiness and prosperity and economically ruinous to our system as a whole.

    I WOULD be in favor of a divesting someone in the military space and reinvesting in public education/housing/healthcare, because I believe the ROI is greater in those 3, but that’s another conversation.

    But free healthcare isn’t a right.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,117 Standard Supporter
    That fucking constitution.

    Always getting in the way of the feels.

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Don't you blame white racism for absent fathers and poor education with POC Kobe? Btw, who is to blame for absent fathers among white people?
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    edited December 2021
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Eh I'll argue in this day and age that a single person has no excuse for not having a job that covers the premium for them.

    I've always had that but now...eh. c'mon man
    Does your argument consist of a single point besides “I did it”?
    No I'd argue that I'm quite leftist when it comes to healthcare. I absolutely want it to be divorced from employment. But the worries are kinda overblown. Like there is no competent employer that doesn't offer free for single people and then pay the difference for family


    My employer for example is only like 60 mil in revenue and grew fast and that was like the only option presented to them by the health insurance brokers
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    thechatch said:

    Healthcare isn’t a right. It involves a service from someone else. You cannot compel someone to perform a service for you.

    Freedom of speech is a right, as laid out by our constitution

    The right to defend yourself is laid out in our constitution

    The right to pursue prosperity is laid out in our constitution

    The right to practice your chosen religion is laid out in our constitution.

    The right to make someone else pay for your healthcare is nowhere implied in our constitution

    As a society, we should be judged by how we protect and care for the most vulnerable of our citizens. So we need to have a better system of offering care to those who cannot care for themselves. That does not mean creating a system that also benefits those who refuse to work or participate in our society.

    In other words, if you can’t afford care, you should have options that won’t ruin you financially, but this idea that everything should just be free is impossible. It’s a fantasy that is both unfair to those who work hard to pursue happiness and prosperity and economically ruinous to our system as a whole.

    I WOULD be in favor of a divesting someone in the military space and reinvesting in public education/housing/healthcare, because I believe the ROI is greater in those 3, but that’s another conversation.

    But free healthcare isn’t a right.

    My point of course is not to deny the poor healthcare but to illustrate the usual leftist hypocrisy

    However we have been making healthcare policy for 60 years to help the poor and its more expensive and shittier than ever for everyone

    Sounds like we should move on from the leftist model and make healthcare great again
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,622 Standard Supporter
    "I WOULD be in favor of a divesting someone in the military space and reinvesting in public education/housing/healthcare, because I believe the ROI is greater in those 3, but that’s another conversation."

    The actual ROI on public education and housing is negative. At best, the federal control of health care is a break even. Federal control of health care is to deny competition which is the key to better and a cheaper product. What has been the ROI on our response to the chicom crud?

    Assuming the dems remain in charge of the US military, I'd seriously defund the traitorous bastards in a heartbeat and pay down the national debt. Germany has three times the national GDP of Russian and yet they expect us to defend the Ukraine from Russia while buying natural gas from Russia.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    Let's get back to pay for play. No more carrying the losers in life with our tax dollars

    If you get sick you shouldn't have been poor

    Better luck next time

    Premium health insurance for those who can pay. Much lower rates without poor people on it

    Healthcare is supposedly finite. Save it for the winners

    More healthcare for me!
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Mandated abortions and mandated military service for all kids with fatherless homes would solve about 80 percent of our problems
    If they make the choice to abandon , government should mandate these things to protect others. Simple fact.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Mandated abortions and mandated military service for all kids with fatherless homes would solve about 80 percent of our problems
    Mandatory abortions and military service or actual work for all woke progressives would solve everything.
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  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,309
    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Mandated abortions and mandated military service for all kids with fatherless homes would solve about 80 percent of our problems
    This

    My whore Sister-In-Law has a 4 year old son that will be a mass murderer…..very least a school
    shooter. I’m calling it now
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HuskyJW said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Mandated abortions and mandated military service for all kids with fatherless homes would solve about 80 percent of our problems
    This

    My whore Sister-In-Law has a 4 year old son that will be a mass murderer…..very least a school
    shooter. I’m calling it now
    So we need to kill that little bastard now. Why don’t you do it? For greater good.
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  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,309
    edited December 2021
    MikeDamone said:

    HuskyJW said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Mandated abortions and mandated military service for all kids with fatherless homes would solve about 80 percent of our problems
    This

    My whore Sister-In-Law has a 4 year old son that will be a mass murderer…..very least a school
    shooter. I’m calling it now
    So we need to kill that little bastard now. Why don’t you do it? For greater good.
    His father is a felon and an awful human (she’s no better) so he’ll lose his shit and do it eventually

    The kid freaks me out. When this all comes to fruition I’m not gonna be the guy on the news saying I never saw it coming. Goddamn right I saw it coming
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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Idiot, the kid isn’t making the choice. By far the dumbest thing you’ve ever posted and that’s a high bar.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited December 2021
    TheKobeStopper said:

    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Idiot, the kid isn’t making the choice. By far the dumbest thing you’ve ever posted and that’s a high bar.
    Your hypocrisy is embarrassing. Obtuse dumbfuck. What part of mandated abortions escaped you?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    MikeDamone said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    Who agreed to that?

    The rats relish the opportunity to let die those that choose not to get the jab.

    Everyone who chooses to not take care of the kids they father. Everyone who chooses not to educate themselves. Those that choose to not work. All those that choose to not get healthcare.

    Let them die right kobe?

    Same as not getting the shot right? You make decisions and have to live with it.

    This is where the kobe's of the world run and hide.

    Its called personal responsibility.
    I don’t know what absent fathers and education have to do with any of this. It’s like you know your argument is weak so you’re just tossing culture war nonsense in.

    I do not agree with your assessment that choosing to not get vaccinated and thus endangering others is the same as “choosing” to not have enough money to afford healthcare.
    Being an absent father is a choice. We shouldn’t be burdened as a society with people who make poor choices. Kids without fathers commit more violent crimes and endanger others. Applying your logic we should let them die because of poor choices they make. Mandated abortions perhaps.
    Not according to Kobe, white racism is what makes blacks be absent fathers, still waiting for him to tell us who he blames for whites who are absent fathers.

    Most likely it will be capitalism and low minimum wage.
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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    Can Kobe go one thread without looking like a complete fucking retard?
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