Imagine teaching our children some math, science and economics. Or the dazzler and dodo.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/the-disaster-of-green-energy.php
THE DISASTER OF GREEN ENERGY
I didn’t write anything yesterday because my day was taken up with two anti-Green Energy events here in Minnesota. The first was a lunch in Albert Lea, which anti-wind activists drove up to four hours to attend. The second was a cocktail hour program in a Minneapolis suburb attended by more than 250. The speakers were Isaac Orr of Center of the American Experiment and Robert Bryce, one of the country’s top energy experts. The title of the program was “The Environmental Catastrophe of Wind and Solar Power,” although the program’s content was somewhat broader than that. What follows are a few of the slides from yesterday’s presentation that illustrate the foolishness of trying to power our electric grid–let alone our whole economy!–with wind and solar energy.
Along with inherent intermittency and ridiculously high cost, one of the fundamental problems with wind turbines and solar panels is that they require an enormous quantity of minerals. This is because they are such low-density sources of energy. This chart shows the amounts of copper, nickel etc. that it would take to build enough wind turbines to meet the existing electricity demand in just one state, Minnesota. Minnesota is almost exactly average in population, so you can estimate the national numbers by multiplying by 50. And this is just the U.S., not the world, and just to meet existing electricity demand, not to “electrify everything” with electric vehicles and much else, as many on the Left demand. The red dots show the percentage of existing global production of each of those materials represented by Minnesota demand alone. Click to enlarge:
So meeting current U.S. electricity needs with wind and solar would require a 50% increase in global copper production, a tripling of global nickel production, and a 2,150% increase in global cobalt production. This would be the largest mining and manufacturing project in world history, and even if one assumes that sufficient supplies of those minerals exist somewhere, the vast increase in demand would send prices through the roof.
If we adopt electric vehicles and otherwise try to electrify our economy, these numbers skyrocket, so that, for example, global copper production would have to triple and cobalt production would have to increase by 8,200%. I will hazard a wild guess that this isn’t going to happen.
Where would all these minerals be processed? You don’t get three guesses. Click to enlarge:
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Luddite heard from.
Let's teach our children that nothing ever changes and challenges are insurmountable. -
yes why teach that resources are finite and that green gaga shit don't work and pollutes the planet worse than what they are trying to replace. Nuclear is the only real option at this point in time.HHusky said:Luddite heard from.
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And the other principal Luddite of the bored enters.Sledog said:
yes why teach that resources are finite and that green gaga shit don't work and pollutes the planet worse than what they are trying to replace. Nuclear is the only real option at this point in time.HHusky said:Luddite heard from.
Let's teach our children that nothing ever changes and challenges are insurmountable. -
Scale it outHHusky said:Luddite heard from.
Let's teach our children that nothing ever changes and challenges are insurmountable.
We'll wait -
Sure. Like you girls won't move on to your next outrage.RaceBannon said:
Scale it outHHusky said:Luddite heard from.
Let's teach our children that nothing ever changes and challenges are insurmountable.
We'll wait -
Still waiting. Scale it out for usHHusky said:
Sure. Like you girls won't move on to your next outrage.RaceBannon said:
Scale it outHHusky said:Luddite heard from.
Let's teach our children that nothing ever changes and challenges are insurmountable.
We'll waitWestlinnDuck said:But, really not a voting issue if you have high character and think a dementia patient bought and paid for by the chicoms should be our president.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/the-disaster-of-green-energy.php
THE DISASTER OF GREEN ENERGY
I didn’t write anything yesterday because my day was taken up with two anti-Green Energy events here in Minnesota. The first was a lunch in Albert Lea, which anti-wind activists drove up to four hours to attend. The second was a cocktail hour program in a Minneapolis suburb attended by more than 250. The speakers were Isaac Orr of Center of the American Experiment and Robert Bryce, one of the country’s top energy experts. The title of the program was “The Environmental Catastrophe of Wind and Solar Power,” although the program’s content was somewhat broader than that. What follows are a few of the slides from yesterday’s presentation that illustrate the foolishness of trying to power our electric grid–let alone our whole economy!–with wind and solar energy.
Along with inherent intermittency and ridiculously high cost, one of the fundamental problems with wind turbines and solar panels is that they require an enormous quantity of minerals. This is because they are such low-density sources of energy. This chart shows the amounts of copper, nickel etc. that it would take to build enough wind turbines to meet the existing electricity demand in just one state, Minnesota. Minnesota is almost exactly average in population, so you can estimate the national numbers by multiplying by 50. And this is just the U.S., not the world, and just to meet existing electricity demand, not to “electrify everything” with electric vehicles and much else, as many on the Left demand. The red dots show the percentage of existing global production of each of those materials represented by Minnesota demand alone. Click to enlarge:
So meeting current U.S. electricity needs with wind and solar would require a 50% increase in global copper production, a tripling of global nickel production, and a 2,150% increase in global cobalt production. This would be the largest mining and manufacturing project in world history, and even if one assumes that sufficient supplies of those minerals exist somewhere, the vast increase in demand would send prices through the roof.
If we adopt electric vehicles and otherwise try to electrify our economy, these numbers skyrocket, so that, for example, global copper production would have to triple and cobalt production would have to increase by 8,200%. I will hazard a wild guess that this isn’t going to happen.
Where would all these minerals be processed? You don’t get three guesses. Click to enlarge: -
H seems to support an impossible reliance on everything from China
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Like I said, the dazzler doesn't do math, science and economics. He does love to smell unicorn farts and dream of magic energy sources.HHusky said:Luddite heard from.
Let's teach our children that nothing ever changes and challenges are insurmountable. -
Insurmountable? You just described the lefts attempts to dumb down school children and teach them all they are racist. The Gov of OR certainly FEELS that students can't learn and that minorities are incapable of learning. .HHusky said:Luddite heard from.
Let's teach our children that nothing ever changes and challenges are insurmountable.
Does every thought you think stink of hypocrisy or is it just here on HCH? -
The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
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Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run. -
Scale it out for us. Give us the cost benefit on the boondoggleHHusky said:
Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run.
Then do California high speed rail
Idiots that can't do basic math should sit this one out -
I’m thinking the solutions to the challenges might be worth a buck or two. Don’t hold your breath waiting for me to publish them here.RaceBannon said:
Scale it out for us. Give us the cost benefit on the boondoggleHHusky said:
Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run.
Then do California high speed rail
Idiots that can't do basic math should sit this one out -
You don't have shitHHusky said:
I’m thinking the solutions to the challenges might be worth a buck or two. Don’t hold your breath waiting for me to publish them here.RaceBannon said:
Scale it out for us. Give us the cost benefit on the boondoggleHHusky said:
Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run.
Then do California high speed rail
Idiots that can't do basic math should sit this one out
As usual -
Always seeking a freebie. Typical socialist.RaceBannon said:
You don't have shitHHusky said:
I’m thinking the solutions to the challenges might be worth a buck or two. Don’t hold your breath waiting for me to publish them here.RaceBannon said:
Scale it out for us. Give us the cost benefit on the boondoggleHHusky said:
Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run.
Then do California high speed rail
Idiots that can't do basic math should sit this one out
As usual -
It's not a buck or two and there isn't a lot of research going on. It's just basic science. Concrete, metals and fiber for the blades and then thousands of miles of transmission lines to get the power from nowhere to somewhere. What is basic math and economics is that it is really expensive, requires massive amounts of government subsidies and mandates and uses lot of energy to manufacture. Now nukes make sense, but leftards don't do sense.RaceBannon said:
You don't have shitHHusky said:
I’m thinking the solutions to the challenges might be worth a buck or two. Don’t hold your breath waiting for me to publish them here.RaceBannon said:
Scale it out for us. Give us the cost benefit on the boondoggleHHusky said:
Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run.
Then do California high speed rail
Idiots that can't do basic math should sit this one out
As usual -
Nukes may make sense. I guess nuclear is your best example of a totally not government supported, researched and developed energy source. Brilliant! As usual.WestlinnDuck said:
It's not a buck or two and there isn't a lot of research going on. It's just basic science. Concrete, metals and fiber for the blades and then thousands of miles of transmission lines to get the power from nowhere to somewhere. What is basic math and economics is that it is really expensive, requires massive amounts of government subsidies and mandates and uses lot of energy to manufacture. Now nukes make sense, but leftards don't do sense.RaceBannon said:
You don't have shitHHusky said:
I’m thinking the solutions to the challenges might be worth a buck or two. Don’t hold your breath waiting for me to publish them here.RaceBannon said:
Scale it out for us. Give us the cost benefit on the boondoggleHHusky said:
Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run.
Then do California high speed rail
Idiots that can't do basic math should sit this one out
As usual -
HH will tout AOC's energy plan -
Carbon is beautiful and works great and is being improved all the time. It scales and it works for cheap energy which people need
Of course the left is against it and for some stupid shit that will never scale out
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Did you buy that strawman dinner before the ass phucking started?HHusky said:
Nukes may make sense. I guess nuclear is your best example of a totally not government supported, researched and developed energy source. Brilliant! As usual.WestlinnDuck said:
It's not a buck or two and there isn't a lot of research going on. It's just basic science. Concrete, metals and fiber for the blades and then thousands of miles of transmission lines to get the power from nowhere to somewhere. What is basic math and economics is that it is really expensive, requires massive amounts of government subsidies and mandates and uses lot of energy to manufacture. Now nukes make sense, but leftards don't do sense.RaceBannon said:
You don't have shitHHusky said:
I’m thinking the solutions to the challenges might be worth a buck or two. Don’t hold your breath waiting for me to publish them here.RaceBannon said:
Scale it out for us. Give us the cost benefit on the boondoggleHHusky said:
Just seems funny that any product of Western Civilization would assume the impossibility of progress or that technical solutions to engineering or manufacturing problems could be found. I guess WC is dead.trublue said:The Dazzler is interested in dialogue.
Anxiously waiting for his well-thought out, rationale response . . .
Oh well. We had a good run.
Then do California high speed rail
Idiots that can't do basic math should sit this one out
As usual
