Killing People Is Harder Than You'd Think
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It's silly to argue either way. Let individual states decide on it. If you don't like the death penalty, you can go commit murders in a state that doesn't have it.allpurpleallgold said:There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.
The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.
As a race we should strive to be better than that.
I will say one thing, though. We keep the peace with war, don't we? Some people only understand violence. It's ridiculous to apply the morals of rational minds to those who have none. I say let 'em fry. But that's just my opinion.
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The death penalty has been shown to be inaffective in disincentivizing capital crimes, and only credulous idiots actually believe that war keeps the peace. Ask Iraq how that works.
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Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link? -
whiteoutpress.com/articles/q32013/america-s-elusive-crime-statistics-by-race/doogsinparadise said:It's a disgrace that minorities are statistically more likely to be executed than whites, but concurrently it's naive to expect people to move past the desire for vengeance.
en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States
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I thought only Mike Damone demanded links. My first priority is to puff some green. Maybe if I feel like it I'll do some research. This is just an opinion after all.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link? -
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More -
By that same token is imprisoning someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives. -
Legality rests on the credibility of the state, strange argument for a libertarian to make.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
Ignoring the first paragraph of libertarian spew.PurpleJ said:
It's silly to argue either way. Let individual states decide on it. If you don't like the death penalty, you can go commit murders in a state that doesn't have it.allpurpleallgold said:There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.
The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.
As a race we should strive to be better than that.
I will say one thing, though. We keep the peace with war, don't we? Some people only understand violence. It's ridiculous to apply the morals of rational minds to those who have none. I say let 'em fry. But that's just my opinion.
We shouldn't be keeping the peace with war.
What I think is ridiculous is to think that because someone is irrational, morality no longer applies. -
Eloquently put. Logically unassailable. Nailed. Someone get APAG a coffin ASAP.dnc said:
By that same token is imprisonment someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
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One more reason to restrict the power of the courts and transfer that power to the individual states. They have been constantly overstepping their bounds and need to be reigned in. One individual fucker does not have the right to decide the trajectory of a nation. The weepy liberals will swarm to this execution 'travesty' like maggots to a fresh pile of horse shit. Just turn on the news. Protecting the rights of murderers and protecting Hamas is more important to them than protecting the innocent.doogsinparadise said:PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
You're right, the Roberts court needs to be brought to heel before it destroys our democracy.oregonblitzkrieg said:
One more reason to restrict the power of the courts and transfer that power to the individual states. They have been constantly overstepping their bounds and need to be reigned in. One individual fucker does not have the right to decide the trajectory of a nation.doogsinparadise said:PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
I agree with your sarcastic statement. I'm not a GOP supporter, but I fucking hate the democrats that are in power right now.doogsinparadise said:
You're right, the Roberts court needs to be brought to heel before it destroys our democracy.oregonblitzkrieg said:
One more reason to restrict the power of the courts and transfer that power to the individual states. They have been constantly overstepping their bounds and need to be reigned in. One individual fucker does not have the right to decide the trajectory of a nation.doogsinparadise said:PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
Even libertarians accept that there are things that only the state can preside over. Murder is illegal, therefore the state is responsible for administering the punishment.doogsinparadise said:
Legality rests on the credibility of the state, strange argument for a libertarian to make.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More -
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More -
But we aren't imprisoning someone for kidnapping specifically. They go to prison because they committed a crime and that's how we punish crime. It's not a specific eye for an eye punishment, like the death penalty is.dnc said:
By that same token is imprisoning someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
I realize I instigated the dictionary fight but let's clean it up real quick. The government is saying, with the death penalty, that killing people is wrong (anyone want to argue that?) and if you do it they will kill you (or that?). That is hypocritical. And, it's a fine line here, the difference between that and prison/kidnapping is intent. One is on purpose and one is coincidence. -
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH. -
I like to say I want to clean up the dictionary fight real quick, and then in my next poast quarrel about synonyms. I'm FS like that.allpurpleallgold said:
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH. -
I see your poont, but it seems to suggest that capital punishment was instituted to punish murder specifically. That's certainly not the case, as a wide variety of crimes have been capital crimes historically. Even today, both treason and desertion are capital crimes in our country. The fact murder is the only one where the death penalty ever seems to be enforced is more a statement on the severity and frequency of the act than a direct "eye for an eye" motivation IMO.allpurpleallgold said:
But we aren't imprisoning someone for kidnapping specifically. They go to prison because they committed a crime and that's how we punish crime. It's not a specific eye for an eye punishment, like the death penalty is.dnc said:
By that same token is imprisoning someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
I realize I instigated the dictionary fight but let's clean it up real quick. The government is saying, with the death penalty, that killing people is wrong (anyone want to argue that?) and if you do it they will kill you (or that?). That is hypocritical. And, it's a fine line here, the difference between that and prison/kidnapping is intent. One is on purpose and one is coincidence.
And the vast majority of murders in the US don't get life in prison, let alone the death penalty (even in the capital punishment standard that is Texas), which I think weakens the eye for an eye argument as well.
But if it really bothers you I say we make molesteration a capital offense. Problem solved. -
DON'T YOU EVEN START.dnc said:
I see your poont, but it seems to suggest that capital punishment was instituted to punish murder specifically. That's certainly not the case, as a wide variety of crimes have been capital crimes historically. Even today, both treason and desertion are capital crimes in our country. The fact murder is the only one where the death penalty ever seems to be enforced is more a statement on the severity and frequency of the act than a direct "eye for an eye" motivation IMO.allpurpleallgold said:
But we aren't imprisoning someone for kidnapping specifically. They go to prison because they committed a crime and that's how we punish crime. It's not a specific eye for an eye punishment, like the death penalty is.dnc said:
By that same token is imprisoning someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
I realize I instigated the dictionary fight but let's clean it up real quick. The government is saying, with the death penalty, that killing people is wrong (anyone want to argue that?) and if you do it they will kill you (or that?). That is hypocritical. And, it's a fine line here, the difference between that and prison/kidnapping is intent. One is on purpose and one is coincidence.
And the vast majority of murders in the US don't get life in prison, let alone the death penalty (even in the capital punishment standard that is Texas), which I think weakens the eye for an eye argument as well.
But if it really bothers you I say we make molesteration a capital offense. Problem solved.
For me the history, treason and desertion are irrelevant because I care about the current application of it. How it's used now. On that you make a nice point about the majority of murders not receiving the death penalty. But I don't think that makes it less hypocritical. I think it makes it more arbitrary. -
Do not, for a single second, think that anything I have to say to DNC has anything to do with you. I am having a conversation with him and I am check mating you idiots. You need to learn the difference.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I like to say I want to clean up the dictionary fight real quick, and then in my next poast quarrel about synonyms. I'm FS like that.allpurpleallgold said:
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH.
Sorry to PurpleJ for lumping him in the idiots column with OBK. It was somewhat for effect and somewhat because you dug your own grave with that dictionary cut and paste job. Just leave out synonyms! That's all you had to do! -
You need to repel your delusions and confront reality. You have only a few pawns left on the chess board. Doogsinparadise is one of them. HTH.allpurpleallgold said:
I am check mating you idiots. You need to learn the difference.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I like to say I want to clean up the dictionary fight real quick, and then in my next poast quarrel about synonyms. I'm FS like that.allpurpleallgold said:
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH. -
In my former life as a libertarian, I had some qualms with the State having the ultimate power over anyone's life.
Now as a proud progressive, I'm firmly against the death penalty being administered in our so-called justice system.
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Can we just get back to talking about the best way to off people?
@PurpleJ I liked the one where we tied them to cannons. Think we can find a big enough cannon for Fatters? -
If you didn't notice, I actually disagree with APAG on the death penalty, but you're FS like that.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You need to repel your delusions and confront reality. You have only a few pawns left on the chess board. Doogsinparadise is one of them. HTH.allpurpleallgold said:
I am check mating you idiots. You need to learn the difference.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I like to say I want to clean up the dictionary fight real quick, and then in my next poast quarrel about synonyms. I'm FS like that.allpurpleallgold said:
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH. -
American "government" at work. Always fucking it up. And taking your money to do it.OZONE said:
The drug company lobbyists probably forced through laws that disallowed using animal euthanizing drugs on humans... claiming that only human euthanizing drugs were good enough for humans.MikeDamone said:Why not use the same stuff they use dogs and horses? They just pass out and die in a minute. What's the big complication here?
Never underestimate the desire of a company to do whatever it takes to use the government in an effort to pass legislation to give them a competitive advantage.
American "capitalism" at work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Executing a murderer is not murder. HTH. It's the ultimate consequence for an inhumane act. People need to understand that murder won't be tolerated. And we improve ourselves as a race by removing these monsters from our presence.allpurpleallgold said:There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.
The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.
As a race we should strive to be better than that.
Um. Hi there. A libertarian would not agree with the first paragraph.allpurpleallgold said:
Ignoring the first paragraph of libertarian spew.PurpleJ said:
It's silly to argue either way. Let individual states decide on it. If you don't like the death penalty, you can go commit murders in a state that doesn't have it.allpurpleallgold said:There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.
The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.
As a race we should strive to be better than that.
I will say one thing, though. We keep the peace with war, don't we? Some people only understand violence. It's ridiculous to apply the morals of rational minds to those who have none. I say let 'em fry. But that's just my opinion.
We shouldn't be keeping the peace with war.
What I think is ridiculous is to think that because someone is irrational, morality no longer applies. -
Synonyms usually do not mean the exact same thing. They have similar meanings. Come on dude. You're better than that.allpurpleallgold said:
Do not, for a single second, think that anything I have to say to DNC has anything to do with you. I am having a conversation with him and I am check mating you idiots. You need to learn the difference.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I like to say I want to clean up the dictionary fight real quick, and then in my next poast quarrel about synonyms. I'm FS like that.allpurpleallgold said:
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH.
Sorry to PurpleJ for lumping him in the idiots column with OBK. It was somewhat for effect and somewhat because you dug your own grave with that dictionary cut and paste job. Just leave out synonyms! That's all you had to do!
Execution carries the connotation of legality (the infliction of capital punishment or, formerly, of any legal punishment). Murder is, by definition, not legal. -
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