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Killing People Is Harder Than You'd Think

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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,762

    There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.

    The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.

    As a race we should strive to be better than that.

    It's silly to argue either way. Let individual states decide on it. If you don't like the death penalty, you can go commit murders in a state that doesn't have it.

    I will say one thing, though. We keep the peace with war, don't we? Some people only understand violence. It's ridiculous to apply the morals of rational minds to those who have none. I say let 'em fry. But that's just my opinion.
  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    The death penalty has been shown to be inaffective in disincentivizing capital crimes, and only credulous idiots actually believe that war keeps the peace. Ask Iraq how that works.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.

    How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,762

    It's a disgrace that minorities are statistically more likely to be executed than whites, but concurrently it's naive to expect people to move past the desire for vengeance.

    whiteoutpress.com/articles/q32013/america-s-elusive-crime-statistics-by-race/

    en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States

  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited July 2014

    Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.

    How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?

    I thought only Mike Damone demanded links. My first priority is to puff some green. Maybe if I feel like it I'll do some research. This is just an opinion after all.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,762

    Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.

    How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?

    Let's start with the definition of murder.

    mur·der
    ˈmərdər/
    noun
    noun: murder; plural noun: murders
    1.
    the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
    "the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
    synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    edited July 2014

    Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.

    How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?

    By that same token is imprisoning someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?

    I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    edited July 2014
    PurpleJ said:

    Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.

    How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?

    Let's start with the definition of murder.

    mur·der
    ˈmərdər/
    noun
    noun: murder; plural noun: murders
    1.
    the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
    "the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
    synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
    Legality rests on the credibility of the state, strange argument for a libertarian to make.

    Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    PurpleJ said:

    There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.

    The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.

    As a race we should strive to be better than that.

    It's silly to argue either way. Let individual states decide on it. If you don't like the death penalty, you can go commit murders in a state that doesn't have it.

    I will say one thing, though. We keep the peace with war, don't we? Some people only understand violence. It's ridiculous to apply the morals of rational minds to those who have none. I say let 'em fry. But that's just my opinion.
    Ignoring the first paragraph of libertarian spew.

    We shouldn't be keeping the peace with war.

    What I think is ridiculous is to think that because someone is irrational, morality no longer applies.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    dnc said:

    Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.

    How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?

    By that same token is imprisonment someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?

    I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
    Eloquently put. Logically unassailable. Nailed. Someone get APAG a coffin ASAP.

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