Killing People Is Harder Than You'd Think
It was death by apnea. And it went on for an hour and a half. I made a pencil stroke on a pad of paper, each time his mouth opened, and ticked off more than 640, which was not all of them, because the doctor came in at least four times and blocked my view.
I turned to my friend Troy Hayden, the anchor and reporter from Fox 10 News, who was sitting next to me. Troy and I witnessed another execution together in 2007, and he had seen one before that, so he also knows what it looks like.
"I don't think he's going to die," I said.
A moment later, Troy turned to me and whispered, "I think you're right."
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If he'd killed a family member of mine it wouldn't have taken me that long to snuff the asshole...
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This is what happens when more efficient and effective means of killing are intentionally excluded specifically to generate this sort of emotionally charged/ intellectually void headline and reactions by a minority of folks with an agenda they cannot advance using conventional means.
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What's more cruel and unusual, death serum via IV from the lowest bidder, or a fucking 1 dollar bullet to the temple? Just shoot the motherfuckers. Christ.
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Or light them on fire. These murderers didn't care about the suffering of their victims. Why should we care about theirs? They're getting off easy in comparison.
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I love it when people talk about "what they would do" to someone if they killed or raped a family member. Hypothetical murder of family member tough guys.. You'd do what 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of everyone else does and watch the legal process handle it.RaccoonHarry said:If he'd killed a family member of mine it wouldn't have taken me that long to snuff the asshole...
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It really surprises me that no US company has started to manufacture the necessary drugs for the lethal injection cocktail - in particular sodium thiopental. Whatever your feelings on the death penalty, companies and countries that oppose it would seem to have the right to refuse to sell sodium thiopental if they believed the drug was going to be used in lethal injections.
I think these repeated failures in the execution chamber are going to open a door for a successful 8th Amendment challenge. -
Another long-term victory won through repeated, short-term incompetence.AZDuck said:It really surprises me that no US company has started to manufacture the necessary drugs for the lethal injection cocktail - in particular sodium thiopental. Whatever your feelings on the death penalty, companies and countries that oppose it would seem to have the right to refuse to sell sodium thiopental if they believed the drug was going to be used in lethal injections.
I think these repeated failures in the execution chamber are going to open a door for a successful 8th Amendment challenge.
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Each state should be free to choose its death penalty policy. Each state should also have the freedom to ship their killers off to Texas to get executed. -
Maybe I can make some up in my bathtub.AZDuck said:It really surprises me that no US company has started to manufacture the necessary drugs for the lethal injection cocktail - in particular sodium thiopental. Whatever your feelings on the death penalty, companies and countries that oppose it would seem to have the right to refuse to sell sodium thiopental if they believed the drug was going to be used in lethal injections.
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That's pretty fucking funny.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Each state should be free to chose its death penalty policy. Each state should also have the freedom to ship their killers off to Texas to get executed.
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Why not use the same stuff they use dogs and horses? They just pass out and die in a minute. What's the big complication here?
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More guillotines and firing squads, less faux "humane" bullshit.
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With the castle law, you get legal process and get to be a tough guy. Abundance.MikeDamone said:
I love it when people talk about "what they would do" to someone if they killed or raped a family member. Hypothetical murder of family member tough guys.. You'd do what 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of everyone else does and watch the legal process handle it.RaccoonHarry said:If he'd killed a family member of mine it wouldn't have taken me that long to snuff the asshole...
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This! If you give someone two combat doses of morphine they die withing minutes like 70% of the time. There is so much deadly shit out there. Why and how in the fuck do you screw that up?MikeDamone said:Why not use the same stuff they use dogs and horses? They just pass out and die in a minute. What's the big complication here?
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Time for some execution method power rankings:
1. Crucifixion - Most famous method of all-time. Good enough for the Romans, and can also be performed upside down. Nuff said on that.
2. Blowing from a gun - Victim is tied to end of cannon, cannon is fired.
3. Death by trampling/crushing - Typically performed with elephants or persons the size of Fetters.
4. Stoning - Nothing wrong with getting stoned.
5. Drowing - *gurgle*
6. Drawn and quarter/beheading - It's like taking a puzzle apart. Much more fun than putting one together.
7. Gas chamber - Very efficient. Works well in groups.
8. Firing squad - Great for dealing with political opponents, and fun for the whole family.
9. Electric chair - Smells bad I hear.
10. Hanging - Kind of boring to watch IMO.
11. Lethal injection - Boring and humane. Who the fuck wants that?
12. Cal -
I laffedPurpleJ said:Time for some execution method power rankings:
1. Crucifixion - Most famous method of all-time. Good enough for the Romans, and can also be performed upside down. Nuff said on that.
2. Blowing from a gun - Victim is tied to end of cannon, cannon is fired.
3. Death by trampling/crushing - Typically performed with elephants or persons the size of Fetters.
4. Stoning - Nothing wrong with getting stoned.
5. Drowing - *gurgle*
6. Drawn and quarter/beheading - It's like taking a puzzle apart. Much more fun than putting one together.
7. Gas chamber - Very efficient. Works well in groups.
8. Firing squad - Great for dealing with political opponents, and fun for the whole family.
9. Electric chair - Smells bad I hear.
10. Hanging - Kind of boring to watch IMO.
11. Lethal injection - Boring and humane. Who the fuck wants that?
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It's slow and painful, which is good, but it is also the least entertaining method on the list. And it's not even close.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I laffedPurpleJ said:Time for some execution method power rankings:
1. Crucifixion - Most famous method of all-time. Good enough for the Romans, and can also be performed upside down. Nuff said on that.
2. Blowing from a gun - Victim is tied to end of cannon, cannon is fired.
3. Death by trampling/crushing - Typically performed with elephants or persons the size of Fetters.
4. Stoning - Nothing wrong with getting stoned.
5. Drowing - *gurgle*
6. Drawn and quarter/beheading - It's like taking a puzzle apart. Much more fun than putting one together.
7. Gas chamber - Very efficient. Works well in groups.
8. Firing squad - Great for dealing with political opponents, and fun for the whole family.
9. Electric chair - Smells bad I hear.
10. Hanging - Kind of boring to watch IMO.
11. Lethal injection - Boring and humane. Who the fuck wants that?
12. Cal
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Cal is slow painful death
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Why do you hate #MyLions?PurpleJ said:Time for some execution method power rankings:
1. Crucifixion - Most famous method of all-time. Good enough for the Romans, and can also be performed upside down. Nuff said on that.
2. Blowing from a gun - Victim is tied to end of cannon, cannon is fired.
3. Death by trampling/crushing - Typically performed with elephants or persons the size of Fetters.
4. Stoning - Nothing wrong with getting stoned.
5. Drowing - *gurgle*
6. Drawn and quarter/beheading - It's like taking a puzzle apart. Much more fun than putting one together.
7. Gas chamber - Very efficient. Works well in groups.
8. Firing squad - Great for dealing with political opponents, and fun for the whole family.
9. Electric chair - Smells bad I hear.
10. Hanging - Kind of boring to watch IMO.
11. Lethal injection - Boring and humane. Who the fuck wants that?
12. Cal
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The drug company lobbyists probably forced through laws that disallowed using animal euthanizing drugs on humans... claiming that only human euthanizing drugs were good enough for humans.MikeDamone said:Why not use the same stuff they use dogs and horses? They just pass out and die in a minute. What's the big complication here?
Never underestimate the desire of a company to do whatever it takes to use the government in an effort to pass legislation to give them a competitive advantage.
American "capitalism" at work.
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True. I'd only go medieval on the guy if the legal system fucked it up...MikeDamone said:
I love it when people talk about "what they would do" to someone if they killed or raped a family member. Hypothetical murder of family member tough guys.. You'd do what 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of everyone else does and watch the legal process handle it.RaccoonHarry said:If he'd killed a family member of mine it wouldn't have taken me that long to snuff the asshole...
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American "government" at work. Always fucking it up. And taking your money to do it.OZONE said:
The drug company lobbyists probably forced through laws that disallowed using animal euthanizing drugs on humans... claiming that only human euthanizing drugs were good enough for humans.MikeDamone said:Why not use the same stuff they use dogs and horses? They just pass out and die in a minute. What's the big complication here?
Never underestimate the desire of a company to do whatever it takes to use the government in an effort to pass legislation to give them a competitive advantage.
American "capitalism" at work. -
Major pressing.MikeDamone said:
American "government" at work. Always fucking it up. And taking your money to do it.OZONE said:
The drug company lobbyists probably forced through laws that disallowed using animal euthanizing drugs on humans... claiming that only human euthanizing drugs were good enough for humans.MikeDamone said:Why not use the same stuff they use dogs and horses? They just pass out and die in a minute. What's the big complication here?
Never underestimate the desire of a company to do whatever it takes to use the government in an effort to pass legislation to give them a competitive advantage.
American "capitalism" at work. -
Damone would fail to see the role played by lobbyists in shaping policy.
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I think he can see their role quite clearly.doogsinparadise said:Damone would fail to see the role played by lobbyists in shaping policy.
Do the lobbyists actually get elected and vote on the legislation? I thought not.
"The buck stops here."
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The death penalty is an embarrassment to America. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You can not make one death right with another.
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No. We should be proud that we render justice. You can't make one death right with another. But you can get rid of a menace to society, a useless sack of bones that's not worth the risk or money to try and rehabilitate. If you take a life through murder, you forfeit the right to live. That's justice. Europe might be more your speed. You can be Slobodan Milosevic there if you want, commit thousands of murders and you will only go to prison.allpurpleallgold said:The death penalty is an embarrassment to America. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You can not make one death right with another.
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There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.
The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.
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Executing a murderer is not murder. HTH. It's the ultimate consequence for an inhumane act. People need to understand that murder won't be tolerated. And we improve ourselves as a race by removing these monsters from our presence.allpurpleallgold said:There is no forfeit. No inherent justice. If one man commits a murder and is punished by 100 men to death, what's left is 100 murderers.
The hypocrisy of law, saying it's wrong to kill therefore we will kill, is disgusting.
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It's a disgrace that minorities are statistically more likely to be executed than whites, but concurrently it's naive to expect people to move past the desire for vengeance.
