If FSP and Heir never existed…
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Less talent in state. They’ve drawn more attention to local players but lake is too fucking stupid to create a pipeline. He thinks udub matters and is a national brand. It’s not even a regional brand.
Show up at these events to massage Ford and Reggies ego. Then turn one or two of their guys into day one draft picks. Then just gurgle.
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There isn’t more talent because of FSP and Heir. They help kids get discovered and do give them another platform to be found by college coach. Training year round is mostly good too, although there are drawbacks to it as well.dirtysouwfdawg said:Less talent in state. They’ve drawn more attention to local players but lake is too fucking stupid to create a pipeline. He thinks udub matters and is a national brand. It’s not even a regional brand.
Show up at these events to massage Ford and Reggies ego. Then turn one or two of their guys into day one draft picks. Then just gurgle.
#fucklake
Tracy has done a great job building his brand. I still think he’s mostly a grifter and his ego is enormous, but I don’t know shit. -
My thought was there’s a little more talent in the state now, but it’s also valued higher than it was by these field trips they go on. We’d keep a lot more of these in state kids if they weren’t getting whisked away to Alabama as sophomores.
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Well there would be some other 7on7 team, because there are teams everywhere now.
But regardless, I don't think much would be different. They aren't pushing kids to leave the state, they aren't the reason we can't recruit. -
He hired Tracy's brother for fucks sakedirtysouwfdawg said:Less talent in state. They’ve drawn more attention to local players but lake is too fucking stupid to create a pipeline. He thinks udub matters and is a national brand. It’s not even a regional brand.
Show up at these events to massage Ford and Reggies ego. Then turn one or two of their guys into day one draft picks. Then just gurgle.
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WTF does that shit even mean?dnc said: -
They get mad about other 7 on 7 teams asking a FSP guy to play with them, but have no problem poaching a kid if FSP wants them.dnc said:
It’s hypocritical. If they really cared so much about the Northwest kids, they wouldn’t let Jalen McMillan and other out of state kids play for them. When they do, it’s a NW kid that stands on the sidelines. So it’s all about the kids to Tracy and others, except when a highly recruited player from out of state wants they persuade to join them. -
These are businesses, and creepy ones at that.
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It’s AAU basketball except for football. Most of the coaches are grifters trying to grift their way up. A few of them mean well. Some are a mix of the two.GrundleStiltzkin said:These are businesses, and creepy ones at that.
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A man that doesn’t look at his own shit is a man I don’t want to know.RoadDawg55 said:
…but I don’t know shit.dirtysouwfdawg said:Less talent in state. They’ve drawn more attention to local players but lake is too fucking stupid to create a pipeline. He thinks udub matters and is a national brand. It’s not even a regional brand.
Show up at these events to massage Ford and Reggies ego. Then turn one or two of their guys into day one draft picks. Then just gurgle.
#fucklake -
Agree some other grifter would have filled the void by creating useless bullshit workouts and preying on kids, but disagree about the claim they don’t hurt our recruiting. I know they don’t *owe* the UW anything, but they could show a little more discernment when it comes to touting the offers one of “their” guys gets.Neighbor2972 said:Well there would be some other 7on7 team, because there are teams everywhere now.
But regardless, I don't think much would be different. They aren't pushing kids to leave the state, they aren't the reason we can't recruit.
They shout it from the rooftops when a local kid gets a USC offer, for example, even though they must know Helton sucks and going there actually harms the kid’s chances. Ditto treating Oregon as if it’s as good as Washington. It’s not, but they want to promote themselves more than helping kids, IMO.
The most hurtful thing is their promotion of out-of-state programs as if they’re better than Washington. They tweet so breathlessly that a guy “is going to be a NATIONAL recruit!” Are there programs that have had better football success? Of course. But that doesn’t make them better. FSP/Heir are like a friend who makes you miserable bc you’re in a great relationship with a 7 who treats you great, is drama-free and is good for you, but they keep pushing that you can do better and points out all these 9s that you should be with bc they’re hotter wo considering whether they’re actually better *for you*.
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Salvon Ahmed would have ran a 4.3 at the combine.
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Idk what they could do to create a pipeline (they did hire Tracy's bro btw) with either program that wouldn't backfire fairly often.
Sell out for one and quite likely be shut out by the other.
Sell out for one and then be forced to take guys we don't want just to "maintain" the relationship.
End up looking like even bigger pussies than usual when they inevitably forget about our plan as soon as Saban or Dabo or any USC or quacks coach shows up.
Like someone said earlier... this shit is just AAU basketball. U gotta be a weirdo or a piece of shit to make ur "career" a never ending cycle of jock sniffing teens. The training is whatever. Not much ground breaking stuff goin on at these places. -
Peddlers of broken dreams, 81% of the tim.rustysavage said:Idk what they could do to create a pipeline (they did hire Tracy's bro btw) with either program that wouldn't backfire fairly often.
Sell out for one and quite likely be shut out by the other.
Sell out for one and then be forced to take guys we don't want just to "maintain" the relationship.
End up looking like even bigger pussies than usual when they inevitably forget about our plan as soon as Saban or Dabo or any USC or quacks coach shows up.
Like someone said earlier... this shit is just AAU basketball. U gotta be a weirdo or a piece of shit to make ur "career" a never ending cycle of jock sniffing teens. The training is whatever. Not much ground breaking stuff goin on at these places. -
So training all yr or almost all year doesn’t make you better thus creating more talent?RoadDawg55 said:
There isn’t more talent because of FSP and Heir. They help kids get discovered and do give them another platform to be found by college coach. Training year round is mostly good too, although there are drawbacks to it as well.dirtysouwfdawg said:Less talent in state. They’ve drawn more attention to local players but lake is too fucking stupid to create a pipeline. He thinks udub matters and is a national brand. It’s not even a regional brand.
Show up at these events to massage Ford and Reggies ego. Then turn one or two of their guys into day one draft picks. Then just gurgle.
#fucklake
Tracy has done a great job building his brand. I still think he’s mostly a grifter and his ego is enormous, but I don’t know shit.
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Good players would train all year anyways. It’s not really a new concept. High school teams have been doing it for a long time.dirtysouwfdawg said:
So training all yr or almost all year doesn’t make you better thus creating more talent?RoadDawg55 said:
There isn’t more talent because of FSP and Heir. They help kids get discovered and do give them another platform to be found by college coach. Training year round is mostly good too, although there are drawbacks to it as well.dirtysouwfdawg said:Less talent in state. They’ve drawn more attention to local players but lake is too fucking stupid to create a pipeline. He thinks udub matters and is a national brand. It’s not even a regional brand.
Show up at these events to massage Ford and Reggies ego. Then turn one or two of their guys into day one draft picks. Then just gurgle.
#fucklake
Tracy has done a great job building his brand. I still think he’s mostly a grifter and his ego is enormous, but I don’t know shit.
Ok!
Training with pros and with other talented peers probably does help motivate some and makes them better. I don’t think there is substantially more PAC 12 level talent because of Tracy Ford and FSP. -
We to go to Steven's Field in the summer to watch the Oly Bears put in the summer workRoadDawg55 said:
Good players would train all year anyways. It’s not really a new concept. High school teams have been doing it for a long time.dirtysouwfdawg said:
So training all yr or almost all year doesn’t make you better thus creating more talent?RoadDawg55 said:
There isn’t more talent because of FSP and Heir. They help kids get discovered and do give them another platform to be found by college coach. Training year round is mostly good too, although there are drawbacks to it as well.dirtysouwfdawg said:Less talent in state. They’ve drawn more attention to local players but lake is too fucking stupid to create a pipeline. He thinks udub matters and is a national brand. It’s not even a regional brand.
Show up at these events to massage Ford and Reggies ego. Then turn one or two of their guys into day one draft picks. Then just gurgle.
#fucklake
Tracy has done a great job building his brand. I still think he’s mostly a grifter and his ego is enormous, but I don’t know shit.
Ok!
Training with pros and with other talented peers probably does help motivate some and makes them better. I don’t think there is substantially more PAC 12 level talent because of Tracy Ford and FSP. -
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Yep. There goes Tracy REPRESENTIN’ for the HOME STATE!
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After Terrance and Willup, Thomas Ford may have been the most useless hire ever.Quietcowskee said:Yep. There goes Tracy REPRESENTIN’ for the HOME STATE!
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Who was our? last good or even decent hire?bananasnblondes said:
After Terrance and Willup, Thomas Ford may have been the most useless hire ever.Quietcowskee said:Yep. There goes Tracy REPRESENTIN’ for the HOME STATE!
Malloe?
Jury’s still out on Cato.
Adam’s is ok but leaves a lot to be desired with on field results.
Huff is the best combo of coach & recruiter.
The rest are meh to vomit inducing. -
They're all a mixed bag so far.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Who was our? last good or even decent hire?bananasnblondes said:
After Terrance and Willup, Thomas Ford may have been the most useless hire ever.Quietcowskee said:Yep. There goes Tracy REPRESENTIN’ for the HOME STATE!
Malloe?
Jury’s still out on Cato.
Adam’s is ok but leaves a lot to be desired with
on field results.
Huff is the best combo of coach & recruiter.
The rest are meh to vomit inducing.
Malloe has produced draft picks and coached some damn good DLs. His recruiting has been a roller coaster. I'd rank him highest overall though.
Huff has had OK to solid results on the field and been a roller coaster in recruiting similar to Malloe.
Adams recruits. On field results have been shaky.
Cato seems to recruit. Other than that who knows?
Gregory is a liability in recruiting. I think he's a good coach in terms of developing and in game though.
The others don't bear mentioning. I don't even know the DL coach's name, so nothing good or bad to say about him.
It's a fucking lackluster staff given what should be expected at UW.
Fuck I completely forgot about Donovan. Whatever. -
You left out Boner.chuck said:
They're all a mixed bag so far.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Who was our? last good or even decent hire?bananasnblondes said:
After Terrance and Willup, Thomas Ford may have been the most useless hire ever.Quietcowskee said:Yep. There goes Tracy REPRESENTIN’ for the HOME STATE!
Malloe?
Jury’s still out on Cato.
Adam’s is ok but leaves a lot to be desired with
on field results.
Huff is the best combo of coach & recruiter.
The rest are meh to vomit inducing.
Malloe has produced draft picks and coached some damn good DLs. His recruiting has been a roller coaster. I'd rank him highest overall though.
Huff has had OK to solid results on the field and been a roller coaster in recruiting similar to Malloe.
Adams recruits. On field results have been shaky.
Cato seems to recruit. Other than that who knows?
Gregory is a liability in recruiting. I think he's a good coach in terms of developing and in game though.
The others don't bear mentioning. I don't even know the DL coach's name, so nothing good or bad to say about him.
It's a fucking lackluster staff given what should be expected at UW.
Fuck I completely forgot about Donovan. Whatever.
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He's in the not worth mentioning category along with the DB coaches. Fuck boner.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
You left out Boner.chuck said:
They're all a mixed bag so far.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Who was our? last good or even decent hire?bananasnblondes said:
After Terrance and Willup, Thomas Ford may have been the most useless hire ever.Quietcowskee said:Yep. There goes Tracy REPRESENTIN’ for the HOME STATE!
Malloe?
Jury’s still out on Cato.
Adam’s is ok but leaves a lot to be desired with
on field results.
Huff is the best combo of coach & recruiter.
The rest are meh to vomit inducing.
Malloe has produced draft picks and coached some damn good DLs. His recruiting has been a roller coaster. I'd rank him highest overall though.
Huff has had OK to solid results on the field and been a roller coaster in recruiting similar to Malloe.
Adams recruits. On field results have been shaky.
Cato seems to recruit. Other than that who knows?
Gregory is a liability in recruiting. I think he's a good coach in terms of developing and in game though.
The others don't bear mentioning. I don't even know the DL coach's name, so nothing good or bad to say about him.
It's a fucking lackluster staff given what should be expected at UW.
Fuck I completely forgot about Donovan. Whatever. -
The AAU comparison is right on. Football hustlers like Baron Flenory, Willie Lyles, and co. used to get some easy money for “scouting services” and helping at “camps” but now they (or their relatives) can get a salary and a 401k.RoadDawg55 said:
It’s AAU basketball except for football. Most of the coaches are grifters trying to grift their way up. A few of them mean well. Some are a mix of the two.GrundleStiltzkin said:These are businesses, and creepy ones at that.
At least ^ has a football coaching background. Look at someone like USC quality control analyst Bryan Carrington. Formerly Texas’ recruiting director. There is good money in:
A. Selling dreams, in the form of exposure, development, and potential scholarships.
B. Having influence over the college attendance choices of talented young men.
That’s diversification and two revenue streams, kids and colleges. Maybe the pros pay as well, no idea - at worst it’s the ideal free pub for the business.
On one hand these dudes are operating in what some of us consider an ethical gray area, on the other they are taking advantage of an opportunity in the free market.
