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  • godawgst
    godawgst Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,551 Swaye's Wigwam

    FireCohen said:

    I always thought DDY was a retard with the race takes. Coke's problem was that he took that schtick and tried to mold it into a serious thing. He went full-retard and became an enemy of the program.

    Lol wut??? DDY brought up race more than Coker
    Coker defended it. He told me to look into the fucking research. It was eugenics level misinformation and incredibly fucked up and fucking stupid.

    Some nice dick sucking going on, but as soon as they went all-in on the race bullshit they became enemies of this website, football team, university, and humanity in general. A lot of you like to laugh it off, I encourage you to go reread some of the shit they were talking about.

    DDY did have thick skin regarding a lot of that stuff...but this shit he was and probably still is dead serious about. It was fucking cringe at best and incredibly damaging at worst. Coker parroted the same exact talking points.

    As a reminder, those talking points were:

    - The program doesnt recruit "black" players
    - Players with one white parent aren't actually black
    - African immigrants aren't culturally black and dont count
    - OKG is at it's core a racist philosophy
    - White players aren't/can't be as good as black players
    - Black players (or those they deemed black enough) were needed to toughen up the program culturally because they might not come from "OKG environments"
    - Black players needed black names, not white sounding names

    This was while UW had/has one of the most diverse rosters in football white white, black, poly, and even a Chinese starting safety and a Phillipino DB..and of course it ignored demographics and the rest of the Pac 12 rosters

    Lots of rose tinted glasses going on here because of the funny shit takes they had on their pod and how they initially rallied the community with humor. It turned toxic and withered rather easily, says 34-17. Really embrassing shit.
    Did DDY or Coker's commentary here or on Twatter or on TSIO have any impact whatsoever on the trajectory of the football program? Doubtful IMHO.

    Who cares if they are 2 guys who are full of shit on the above talking points? Does it make Hardcore Husky a less respected hive of scum and villainy than it already is?
    Apparently it was used to negatively recruit? Im not sure though

    It absolutely does. Almost all of the stuff joked about on here is tongue in cheek and it would take a real square to take it seriously. This was a notable exception. It was straight up racism..."black people are aggressive and violent thug ballers, Eddie and Levi arent really black, lighter skinned players don't really count as black by my Ivory Tower ignorant deductions"

    Your weird enablement of this shit is noted I guess
    It's not weird enablement of anything for Christ's sake, PGOS. I never agreed with their shitty takes on the subject.

    DDY and Coker - in spite of their delusions of grandeur - are nobody's in the world of Husky football punditry.

    Their opinions aren't influencing shit.
    It's okay to say that the racist shit they were posting was incredibly bad optics for this website at the very, very least. Especially since most of it took place on the recruiting board...which parents and recruits do read.

    It was really fucking bad and people are being disingenuous by glossing over it. Case closed.
    I agree wholeheartedly that a lot of their theories were B.S.

    But I have a hard time believing that their commentary on our board had any influence on our recruiting one way or another. Why would a recruit and their parents decide not to commit to UW based on DDY/Coker vs a 100 deciding other factors.
    The recruit and parents wouldn't nor would they decide to eliminate or commit to one school over another b/c of any message boards.

    The percentage a recruit would decide to come to UW (or any school) based on message boards is the same as training table offering hamburgers on Tuesday and Hot Dogs Wednesday not the other way around.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    FireCohen said:

    I always thought DDY was a retard with the race takes. Coke's problem was that he took that schtick and tried to mold it into a serious thing. He went full-retard and became an enemy of the program.

    Lol wut??? DDY brought up race more than Coker
    Coker defended it. He told me to look into the fucking research. It was eugenics level misinformation and incredibly fucked up and fucking stupid.

    Some nice dick sucking going on, but as soon as they went all-in on the race bullshit they became enemies of this website, football team, university, and humanity in general. A lot of you like to laugh it off, I encourage you to go reread some of the shit they were talking about.

    DDY did have thick skin regarding a lot of that stuff...but this shit he was and probably still is dead serious about. It was fucking cringe at best and incredibly damaging at worst. Coker parroted the same exact talking points.

    As a reminder, those talking points were:

    - The program doesnt recruit "black" players
    - Players with one white parent aren't actually black
    - African immigrants aren't culturally black and dont count
    - OKG is at it's core a racist philosophy
    - White players aren't/can't be as good as black players
    - Black players (or those they deemed black enough) were needed to toughen up the program culturally because they might not come from "OKG environments"
    - Black players needed black names, not white sounding names

    This was while UW had/has one of the most diverse rosters in football white white, black, poly, and even a Chinese starting safety and a Phillipino DB..and of course it ignored demographics and the rest of the Pac 12 rosters

    Lots of rose tinted glasses going on here because of the funny shit takes they had on their pod and how they initially rallied the community with humor. It turned toxic and withered rather easily, says 34-17. Really embrassing shit.
    Did DDY or Coker's commentary here or on Twatter or on TSIO have any impact whatsoever on the trajectory of the football program? Doubtful IMHO.

    Who cares if they are 2 guys who are full of shit on the above talking points? Does it make Hardcore Husky a less respected hive of scum and villainy than it already is?
    Apparently it was used to negatively recruit? Im not sure though

    It absolutely does. Almost all of the stuff joked about on here is tongue in cheek and it would take a real square to take it seriously. This was a notable exception. It was straight up racism..."black people are aggressive and violent thug ballers, Eddie and Levi arent really black, lighter skinned players don't really count as black by my Ivory Tower ignorant deductions"

    Your weird enablement of this shit is noted I guess
    It's not weird enablement of anything for Christ's sake, PGOS. I never agreed with their shitty takes on the subject.

    DDY and Coker - in spite of their delusions of grandeur - are nobody's in the world of Husky football punditry.

    Their opinions aren't influencing shit.
    It's okay to say that the racist shit they were posting was incredibly bad optics for this website at the very, very least. Especially since most of it took place on the recruiting board...which parents and recruits do read.

    It was really fucking bad and people are being disingenuous by glossing over it. Case closed.
    I agree wholeheartedly that a lot of their theories were B.S.

    But I have a hard time believing that their commentary on our board had any influence on our recruiting one way or another. Why would a recruit and their parents decide not to commit to UW based on DDY/Coker vs a 100 deciding other factors.
    Everything matters!!!
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661
    What was their schtick? We are the cool headed opposition to the opposition
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823


    U must be knew hear
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    I begrudgingly admit that I too was a listener of TSIO. It had entertainment value to me, that much is true. But I also thought DDY was a huge assclown. It's still unclear to me if he was actually gay? Black? Paraplegic? Had any football credentials besides self proclaimed ones?

    I would be glad to see Ballz return cus that guy is gold in every way (except ruining threads sometimes). DDY and Coke can get fucked tho. Last thing we need is them returning with tails tucked from there massive failure and getting built up a lil by being welcomed back. That would catapult them into another dimension of undeserving arrogance. Trust that it's better without them.

    Ballz can walk in that door anytime as far as I'm concerned tho.

    Thanks for listening
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    Inspite of there being a lotta of water under the bridge, I think our community would be better off with @CokeGreaterThanPepsi and @Dennis_DeYoung than without. I’m sure the ship has sailed but I would not boo their return.

    Only petty, jealous fucks who desire more recognition for themselves or who let politics drive their opinions about stuff that isn't political think otherwise. Either one of those guys were more valuable to this board than all of the guys batching about them combined.

    Here's the deal retards. I didn't need to like or agree with anything those guys ever said in order to appreciate them being here. They created content and drove activity. Don't like it, don't click on it. Or you can weigh in and argue with them like big boys.

    You know, it's funny how many vocal critics there are of DDY and Coker since they've been gone. I dont recall half as many when they were still posting So it to their face pussies.
    I called DDY an enemy of the program to his internet face a few times. Rather than crying about bullying he chinned the poasts everytim.

    Dennis could dish it out but he could also take it. He took his pet theories a little too seriously but he never took himself too seriously. I respect the dude.
    For those that know DDY, it's easy to see how/why he takes his theories a little too far

    Even some of his worst takes I could see the logic behind where he was coming from ... the disconnect normally in the form that he took some of his hypotheses as being more prevalent (at least consciously) than they likely were
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    FireCohen said:

    I always thought DDY was a retard with the race takes. Coke's problem was that he took that schtick and tried to mold it into a serious thing. He went full-retard and became an enemy of the program.

    Lol wut??? DDY brought up race more than Coker
    Coker defended it. He told me to look into the fucking research. It was eugenics level misinformation and incredibly fucked up and fucking stupid.

    Some nice dick sucking going on, but as soon as they went all-in on the race bullshit they became enemies of this website, football team, university, and humanity in general. A lot of you like to laugh it off, I encourage you to go reread some of the shit they were talking about.

    DDY did have thick skin regarding a lot of that stuff...but this shit he was and probably still is dead serious about. It was fucking cringe at best and incredibly damaging at worst. Coker parroted the same exact talking points.

    As a reminder, those talking points were:

    - The program doesnt recruit "black" players
    - Players with one white parent aren't actually black
    - African immigrants aren't culturally black and dont count
    - OKG is at it's core a racist philosophy
    - White players aren't/can't be as good as black players
    - Black players (or those they deemed black enough) were needed to toughen up the program culturally because they might not come from "OKG environments"
    - Black players needed black names, not white sounding names

    This was while UW had/has one of the most diverse rosters in football white white, black, poly, and even a Chinese starting safety and a Phillipino DB..and of course it ignored demographics and the rest of the Pac 12 rosters

    Lots of rose tinted glasses going on here because of the funny shit takes they had on their pod and how they initially rallied the community with humor. It turned toxic and withered rather easily, says 34-17. Really embrassing shit.
    Did DDY or Coker's commentary here or on Twatter or on TSIO have any impact whatsoever on the trajectory of the football program? Doubtful IMHO.

    Who cares if they are 2 guys who are full of shit on the above talking points? Does it make Hardcore Husky a less respected hive of scum and villainy than it already is?
    Apparently it was used to negatively recruit? Im not sure though

    It absolutely does. Almost all of the stuff joked about on here is tongue in cheek and it would take a real square to take it seriously. This was a notable exception. It was straight up racism..."black people are aggressive and violent thug ballers, Eddie and Levi arent really black, lighter skinned players don't really count as black by my Ivory Tower ignorant deductions"

    Your weird enablement of this shit is noted I guess
    It's not weird enablement of anything for Christ's sake, PGOS. I never agreed with their shitty takes on the subject.

    DDY and Coker - in spite of their delusions of grandeur - are nobody's in the world of Husky football punditry.

    Their opinions aren't influencing shit.
    It's okay to say that the racist shit they were posting was incredibly bad optics for this website at the very, very least. Especially since most of it took place on the recruiting board...which parents and recruits do read.

    It was really fucking bad and people are being disingenuous by glossing over it. Case closed.
    I agree wholeheartedly that a lot of their theories were B.S.

    But I have a hard time believing that their commentary on our board had any influence on our recruiting one way or another. Why would a recruit and their parents decide not to commit to UW based on DDY/Coker vs a 100 deciding other factors.
    People will use anything to their advantage if they can ...

    Would using the opinions of message board idiots as a pitch in my recruiting be part of my strategy? Absolutely not.

    But if that narrative in some ways is already being floated as a strategy in certain circles and I can piggy back on people saying "see, even their own people think their program is ____" ... I've seen crazier things.

    Whether we like it or not at times, perception can be reality at times ...

    It'd have been one thing for some of these narratives that were advanced to be "hey, I'm seeing this narrative being advanced in certain circles and it's not a good one ... that said, there's lot of evidence in the program that says that that narrative is BS" ...

    The problem was that those that took communicating those narratives and ran with them in ways that almost assuredly weren't realistic at all ...

    Without going full Tug here, my opinion simply is that I don't think a large percentage of the people look at what they do daily as being completely through the lens of race ... does it happen? Absolutely. But for the vast majority, I really do think that people evaluate each other based on their qualities as a person.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    dnc said:

    They took themselves a lot more seriously than many of you believe. Remember Husky Twitter and them genuinely believing their tweets helped get recruits?

    Orange is right about Coker telling him about studies.

    That being said, who cares?

    They definitely took Twitter too seriously, no argument there.

    One thing that disappointed me was right around the time of the Rose Bowl. DDY and Coker sent me PMs saying that they were going to no longer run the recruiting board on Hardcore Husky and instead would launch their own site. Coker said it was his lifelong dream to run a site like that full-time. It would be a more serious site than HH and would be a pay site. So I wished them well and told them not to be a stranger. Then I removed their status as mods, after which Coker PMs me and asks to be a mod for a few weeks longer (so he could pin update threads about his new site, etc.).

    That’s not a good way to respect the bidness
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam

    FireCohen said:

    I always thought DDY was a retard with the race takes. Coke's problem was that he took that schtick and tried to mold it into a serious thing. He went full-retard and became an enemy of the program.

    Lol wut??? DDY brought up race more than Coker
    Coker defended it. He told me to look into the fucking research. It was eugenics level misinformation and incredibly fucked up and fucking stupid.

    Some nice dick sucking going on, but as soon as they went all-in on the race bullshit they became enemies of this website, football team, university, and humanity in general. A lot of you like to laugh it off, I encourage you to go reread some of the shit they were talking about.

    DDY did have thick skin regarding a lot of that stuff...but this shit he was and probably still is dead serious about. It was fucking cringe at best and incredibly damaging at worst. Coker parroted the same exact talking points.

    As a reminder, those talking points were:

    - The program doesnt recruit "black" players
    - Players with one white parent aren't actually black
    - African immigrants aren't culturally black and dont count
    - OKG is at it's core a racist philosophy
    - White players aren't/can't be as good as black players
    - Black players (or those they deemed black enough) were needed to toughen up the program culturally because they might not come from "OKG environments"
    - Black players needed black names, not white sounding names

    This was while UW had/has one of the most diverse rosters in football white white, black, poly, and even a Chinese starting safety and a Phillipino DB..and of course it ignored demographics and the rest of the Pac 12 rosters

    Lots of rose tinted glasses going on here because of the funny shit takes they had on their pod and how they initially rallied the community with humor. It turned toxic and withered rather easily, says 34-17. Really embrassing shit.
    Did DDY or Coker's commentary here or on Twatter or on TSIO have any impact whatsoever on the trajectory of the football program? Doubtful IMHO.

    Who cares if they are 2 guys who are full of shit on the above talking points? Does it make Hardcore Husky a less respected hive of scum and villainy than it already is?
    Apparently it was used to negatively recruit? Im not sure though

    It absolutely does. Almost all of the stuff joked about on here is tongue in cheek and it would take a real square to take it seriously. This was a notable exception. It was straight up racism..."black people are aggressive and violent thug ballers, Eddie and Levi arent really black, lighter skinned players don't really count as black by my Ivory Tower ignorant deductions"

    Your weird enablement of this shit is noted I guess
    It's not weird enablement of anything for Christ's sake, PGOS. I never agreed with their shitty takes on the subject.

    DDY and Coker - in spite of their delusions of grandeur - are nobody's in the world of Husky football punditry.

    Their opinions aren't influencing shit.
    It's okay to say that the racist shit they were posting was incredibly bad optics for this website at the very, very least. Especially since most of it took place on the recruiting board...which parents and recruits do read.

    It was really fucking bad and people are being disingenuous by glossing over it. Case closed.
    I agree wholeheartedly that a lot of their theories were B.S.

    But I have a hard time believing that their commentary on our board had any influence on our recruiting one way or another. Why would a recruit and their parents decide not to commit to UW based on DDY/Coker vs a 100 deciding other factors.
    People have said it was used to negatively recruit. Whether OKG was already being used to negatively recruit by other schools before or after they went off the deepend, I dont know.

    I know Derek doesnt go on the recruiting board as he doesn't really care about it, but to have a power user like DDY spewing that shit all over the website was, like I said earlier, incredibly cringe at best and damaging at worst.

    I thought DDY and Coke were funny and even listened to the pod every now and then before they went full on psycho with this nonsense. Like literally labeling race in the title of their threads about high schoolers.

    It was bad. Case closed.
    If someone ever wanted to post scat films or snuff films and hide them from my moderating eyes, just post them on the recruiting board.
    Scat films.

    lol
  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,266

    dnc said:

    They took themselves a lot more seriously than many of you believe. Remember Husky Twitter and them genuinely believing their tweets helped get recruits?

    Orange is right about Coker telling him about studies.

    That being said, who cares?

    They definitely took Twitter too seriously, no argument there.

    One thing that disappointed me was right around the time of the Rose Bowl. DDY and Coker sent me PMs saying that they were going to no longer run the recruiting board on Hardcore Husky and instead would launch their own site. Coker said it was his lifelong dream to run a site like that full-time. It would be a more serious site than HH and would be a pay site. So I wished them well and told them not to be a stranger. Then I removed their status as mods, after which Coker PMs me and asks to be a mod for a few weeks longer (so he could pin update threads about his new site, etc.).

    I generally like these guys and got their deal but jesus fucking Christ. Aim a little higher Coker
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    whlinder said:

    dnc said:

    They took themselves a lot more seriously than many of you believe. Remember Husky Twitter and them genuinely believing their tweets helped get recruits?

    Orange is right about Coker telling him about studies.

    That being said, who cares?

    They definitely took Twitter too seriously, no argument there.

    One thing that disappointed me was right around the time of the Rose Bowl. DDY and Coker sent me PMs saying that they were going to no longer run the recruiting board on Hardcore Husky and instead would launch their own site. Coker said it was his lifelong dream to run a site like that full-time. It would be a more serious site than HH and would be a pay site. So I wished them well and told them not to be a stranger. Then I removed their status as mods, after which Coker PMs me and asks to be a mod for a few weeks longer (so he could pin update threads about his new site, etc.).

    I generally like these guys and got their deal but jesus fucking Christ. Aim a little higher Coker
    Coker’s a different cat … to each their own
  • Ice_Holmvik
    Ice_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    edited July 2021
    The racist shtick was used by at least Oregon to negatively recruit against Pete. It was not harmless. That said I'd enjoy it if they came back.
  • Quietcowskee
    Quietcowskee Member Posts: 4,205 Standard Supporter
    I cringed a lot more reading threads about TSIO “Fast Strategy” discussions than actual TSIO Fast Strategy discussions.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,670 Swaye's Wigwam

    I cringed a lot more reading threads about TSIO “Fast Strategy” discussions than actual TSIO Fast Strategy discussions.

    Agreed. That and the racial stuff would have died pretty quietly if other posters didn't keep bringing it up.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,207 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    The race shit got so out of hand that I actually had to threaten people with bans to get it to stop. When I am the voice of reason you know shit has gone too far. And to be fair, when it all first started I totally saw where he was coming from on some of his perceptions on how color blind our recruiting was or wasn't, but once it got traction with the masses it got uglier rapidly. Anyway, water under the bridge or whatever. I always liked those guys quite a lot. I'd love to see them back, but just as regular shmuck posters, not cult of personality types. My 2 coppers.

    Is your likeness on the 2 coppers @Swaye ?
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    The race shit got so out of hand that I actually had to threaten people with bans to get it to stop. When I am the voice of reason you know shit has gone too far. And to be fair, when it all first started I totally saw where he was coming from on some of his perceptions on how color blind our recruiting was or wasn't, but once it got traction with the masses it got uglier rapidly. Anyway, water under the bridge or whatever. I always liked those guys quite a lot. I'd love to see them back, but just as regular shmuck posters, not cult of personality types. My 2 coppers.

    Is your likeness on the 2 coppers @Swaye ?
    @Swaye gets the wooden nickel.

  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,200 Founders Club
  • DoogerMcFarland
    DoogerMcFarland Member Posts: 745
    Can someone link me to one of these egregious pods? I’ve never listened to anything they did.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Can someone link me to one of these egregious pods? I’ve never listened to anything they did.

    The only good ones are the Cinco de Mayo pods
  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,208 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    Can someone link me to one of these egregious pods? I’ve never listened to anything they did.

    The only good ones are the Cinco de Mayo pods
    Are those the only ones in which you did your Flex Friday imitations?
  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,501

    Tequilla said:

    Can someone link me to one of these egregious pods? I’ve never listened to anything they did.

    The only good ones are the Cinco de Mayo pods
    Are those the only ones in which you did your Flex Friday imitations?
    Comedy genius. Especially after the 500th time
  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696

    Can someone link me to one of these egregious pods? I’ve never listened to anything they did.

    Definitely try to find the one in which they claim that Nick Harris was a recruiting disaster, Huff would be a shit hire because he wouldn't be able to recruit, and... well, shit, you get the point.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Those idiots trying to run a site was one of the funniest things I’d seen in a long time.

    The OKG racism take was the worst I’ve ever seen. And I’ve seen a lot of shitty takes. At first I thought it was satire.

    Anyway. Fuck them.