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ESPN loves UW's offense
Baseman
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Hard agree
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Kim Grinolds says Bill Connelly is
"Just looking for attention" by posting this.
Yeah, I'm sure the greater ESPN audience is up in arms about this controversial take on UWs offense -
I was trying not to be skeptical before the season. Now I'm convinced it's a garbage offense
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I expected the offense to be limited in 2020 given that Donovan didn't have a spring or real fall camp to install his offense for a RS Frosh to run.
The fact that the reply says that this is what he ran at Vanderbilt and PSU means we're stuck with this until someone gets fired -
Running an offense or a defense by the numbers (down and distance) is obviously intelligent but there is no such thing as “we knew what they were going to run, but they executed so well and the were such animals that we just couldn’t do anything to stop them”
dominating player intensity leading up to big moments in a game and the riverboat gambling aspect of creatively busting tendencies is what defines great to good coaching
Even when it looked like it was going well this has been a defining liability for the last few years so we will see if the staff has the guts and intelligence to demonstrate this level of sophistication
Not to be a Debbie downer, But we haven’t seen it yet so I am not holding my breath -
There’s truth in this but some things that just don’t pass the smell test to me
Saying we’re predictable in running on early downs is entirely accurate … that absolutely needs to change with more play action and capitalizing on deep shots
Criticizing the use of the TE is insanely FS … if you have someone like Cade you absolutely should be utilizing him
What’s interesting in the analysis is the conclusion that UW was effective offensively …
The bones of what we do can be effective … but we need to tweak a bit how we do it -
UW goes out of 2 TE sets — 12 personnel. Hence the heavy TE usage. Jimmy wants to be Stanford. He all but said so when he took the job. He wanted an offense like the ones that caused him problems.Tequilla said:There’s truth in this but some things that just don’t pass the smell test to me
Saying we’re predictable in running on early downs is entirely accurate … that absolutely needs to change with more play action and capitalizing on deep shots
Criticizing the use of the TE is insanely FS … if you have someone like Cade you absolutely should be utilizing him
What’s interesting in the analysis is the conclusion that UW was effective offensively …
The bones of what we do can be effective … but we need to tweak a bit how we do it
A jumbo heavy offense can win a finesse weaker Pac 12. When opponents stack the box on Stanford they audible and throw to their jumbo sized WR’s. Remember everyone on this bored who thought Myles Bryant sucked?
Jimmy should have hired Helfrich. Mariotta and Justin Herbert. Back to back. With the roster a year ago and the young linemen Huff brought in, UW instantly becomes a top consideration for the best mobile HS prospects on the West Coast. -
Paragraph 3 . . . Flesh it out.
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Helfrich as OC?
Yes, please.
He’s available.
I wonder why.
Puzzling.
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To a degree it worked, the downfield throws were wide ass open. Morris just can’t hit them consistentlyBaseman said:
UW goes out of 2 TE sets — 12 personnel. Hence the heavy TE usage. Jimmy wants to be Stanford. He all but said so when he took the job. He wanted an offense like the ones that caused him problems.Tequilla said:There’s truth in this but some things that just don’t pass the smell test to me
Saying we’re predictable in running on early downs is entirely accurate … that absolutely needs to change with more play action and capitalizing on deep shots
Criticizing the use of the TE is insanely FS … if you have someone like Cade you absolutely should be utilizing him
What’s interesting in the analysis is the conclusion that UW was effective offensively …
The bones of what we do can be effective … but we need to tweak a bit how we do it
A jumbo heavy offense can win a finesse weaker Pac 12. When opponents stack the box on Stanford they audible and throw to their jumbo sized WR’s. Remember everyone on this bored who thought Myles Bryant sucked?
Jimmy should have hired Helfrich. Mariotta and Justin Herbert. Back to back. With the roster a year ago and the young linemen Huff brought in, UW instantly becomes a top consideration for the best mobile HS prospects on the West Coast. -
Hatters gonna hatt.Baseman said: -
We won the Pac12 North with a new HC, OC, and QB.
I'll save my outrage for bad results, not for bad predictions. -
How will the results look with a roster of walk ons?
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I really don't think this is very accurate. Or more specifically I don't think there's enough evidence to support it yet.NEsnake12 said:
To a degree it worked, the downfield throws were wide ass open. Morris just can’t hit them consistentlyBaseman said:
UW goes out of 2 TE sets — 12 personnel. Hence the heavy TE usage. Jimmy wants to be Stanford. He all but said so when he took the job. He wanted an offense like the ones that caused him problems.Tequilla said:There’s truth in this but some things that just don’t pass the smell test to me
Saying we’re predictable in running on early downs is entirely accurate … that absolutely needs to change with more play action and capitalizing on deep shots
Criticizing the use of the TE is insanely FS … if you have someone like Cade you absolutely should be utilizing him
What’s interesting in the analysis is the conclusion that UW was effective offensively …
The bones of what we do can be effective … but we need to tweak a bit how we do it
A jumbo heavy offense can win a finesse weaker Pac 12. When opponents stack the box on Stanford they audible and throw to their jumbo sized WR’s. Remember everyone on this bored who thought Myles Bryant sucked?
Jimmy should have hired Helfrich. Mariotta and Justin Herbert. Back to back. With the roster a year ago and the young linemen Huff brought in, UW instantly becomes a top consideration for the best mobile HS prospects on the West Coast.
Morris has only played in 4 games. He hit a couple of deep post type routes and showed good ball placement on them (I know those are easier throws). Just from memory, he had two sideline bombs dropped by McMillan and one by Ty Jones. There may have been others. He also had a number of shorter crosses dropped which had real potential to be big gainers. On the stat sheet those look the same as 60 yard throws and the short memories here wouldn't know the difference in hindsight.
The Morris narrative would be completely different if a receiver had made a play on just a couple or even one of the bombs. He didn't throw very many. I wish I had the ambition to put together an analysis. I dont, so I highly encourage someone else to. I'm totally open to taking up the "Morris can't throw deep" narrative if someone proves me wrong. -
In particular ESPN cage fillerMontlakeBridgeTroll said:We won the Pac12 North with a new HC, OC, and QB.
I'll save my outrage for bad results, not for bad predictions. -
It's not just the downfield throws, it's the threat to run. Requires the defense to keep a spy. They can Drop 5 and rush 5, but at least one has to mirror the QB. Much tougher to defend. Gilby was a pioneer for using the mobile/passing QB.NEsnake12 said:
To a degree it worked, the downfield throws were wide ass open. Morris just can’t hit them consistentlyBaseman said:
UW goes out of 2 TE sets — 12 personnel. Hence the heavy TE usage. Jimmy wants to be Stanford. He all but said so when he took the job. He wanted an offense like the ones that caused him problems.Tequilla said:There’s truth in this but some things that just don’t pass the smell test to me
Saying we’re predictable in running on early downs is entirely accurate … that absolutely needs to change with more play action and capitalizing on deep shots
Criticizing the use of the TE is insanely FS … if you have someone like Cade you absolutely should be utilizing him
What’s interesting in the analysis is the conclusion that UW was effective offensively …
The bones of what we do can be effective … but we need to tweak a bit how we do it
A jumbo heavy offense can win a finesse weaker Pac 12. When opponents stack the box on Stanford they audible and throw to their jumbo sized WR’s. Remember everyone on this bored who thought Myles Bryant sucked?
Jimmy should have hired Helfrich. Mariotta and Justin Herbert. Back to back. With the roster a year ago and the young linemen Huff brought in, UW instantly becomes a top consideration for the best mobile HS prospects on the West Coast. -
Over your head.trublue said:Paragraph 3 . . . Flesh it out.
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“Jimmy should have hired Helfrich, “Mariotta” and Herbert. Back to back . . .”Baseman said:
Over your head.trublue said:Paragraph 3 . . . Flesh it out.
You’re dumber than FUCK.
You don’t know shit about Helfrich or the recruitment of the two QB’s you listed,
I was under the misconception that there would be intelligent people on here that would talk college football with some insight.
Carry on, moron.
Bye!
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Promise?trublue said:
“Jimmy should have hired Helfrich, “Mariotta” and Herbert. Back to back . . .”Baseman said:
Over your head.trublue said:Paragraph 3 . . . Flesh it out.
You’re dumber than FUCK.
You don’t know shit about Helfrich or the recruitment of the two QB’s you listed,
I was under the misconception that there would be intelligent people on here that would talk college football with some insight.
Carry on, moron.
Bye!
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You are denser and more tone deaf than DJ and should follow him to whatever quook echo chamber he moved to or started.trublue said:
“Jimmy should have hired Helfrich, “Mariotta” and Herbert. Back to back . . .”Baseman said:
Over your head.trublue said:Paragraph 3 . . . Flesh it out.
You’re dumber than FUCK.
You don’t know shit about Helfrich or the recruitment of the two QB’s you listed,
I was under the misconception that there would be intelligent people on here that would talk college football with some insight.
Carry on, moron.
Bye! -
God yes Trolley. We Have been looking for you. Hawaii set up a site and we got deplatformed. We lost a few people because it was without notice. We have a new site. This will take you to the sports forum. From there you can get to the Shed or A&are. Come on over. We lost 884 during the deplatforming. God it’s nice to hear from you. BTW Bend in the River is Atlduck if you didn’t know.chuck said:
You are denser and more tone deaf than DJ and should follow him to whatever quook echo chamber he moved to or started.trublue said:
“Jimmy should have hired Helfrich, “Mariotta” and Herbert. Back to back . . .”Baseman said:
Over your head.trublue said:Paragraph 3 . . . Flesh it out.
You’re dumber than FUCK.
You don’t know shit about Helfrich or the recruitment of the two QB’s you listed,
I was under the misconception that there would be intelligent people on here that would talk college football with some insight.
Carry on, moron.
Bye! -
Hire Helfrich. roflmao
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ALMOST won the natty for you. Best game of an Oregon bandwagon fan's lifetime. Recruited and developed Heisman winner Mariotta started over with Herbert.trublue said:Hire Helfrich. roflmao
A smart Oregon fan would appreciate the contributions for the almost and realize he was over his head as a HC. Of course you're the same dipshit who thinks no NY6 Peterman was the cat's ass.
FM for trying to logic with limp dick Duck -
I loved the old geek Doog who jumped on my back and tried to choke me after the 1992 game at Autzen. Thank god my Duck friends pulled him off me but I showed him. On the way out I told him the Huskies would lose the next week. Was the best moment of my life. Made up for the worst two years of my life when the football coach told a black player he had to shave like the white players. Carried that shit around with me since the early 1970's....trublue said:
“Jimmy should have hired Helfrich, “Mariotta” and Herbert. Back to back . . .”Baseman said:
Over your head.trublue said:Paragraph 3 . . . Flesh it out.
You’re dumber than FUCK.
You don’t know shit about Helfrich or the recruitment of the two QB’s you listed,
I was under the misconception that there would be intelligent people on here that would talk college football with some insight.
Carry on, moron.
Bye!
Anyone else seeing a pattern with TruTramaBeavDuck -
We should be happy conneley even tweets about us at all
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You are ignorant beyond belief.Baseman said:
ALMOST won the natty for you. Best game of an Oregon bandwagon fan's lifetime. Recruited and developed Heisman winner Mariotta started over with Herbert.trublue said:Hire Helfrich. roflmao
A smart Oregon fan would appreciate the contributions for the almost and realize he was over his head as a HC. Of course you're the same dipshit who thinks no NY6 Peterman was the cat's ass.
FM for trying to logic with limp dick Duck
Look at Helfrich’s record before and after Oregon.
Chip Kelly was the de facto offensive coordinator and that included calling ALL the plays while he was head coach.
The only thing that Helfrich can take credit for is identifying and having Kelly offer Mariota after Mariota’s junior year when he attended a football camp at UO. This was before he was the starter at St. Louis High School in Honolulu.
When Mariota arrived at Oregon, he was ready to start (according to practice reports) after a very brief period of time.
Darron Thomas kept the position as a RS junior and led the Ducks to a Rose Bowl victory. Mariota was forced to redshirt his freshman year.
Thomas left with one year of eligibility left with absolutely zero chance of making it in the pros.
Mariota assumed the reigns.
Sark put on the full court press recruiting Mariota as a senior. Mariota visited and wanted to flip to Washington. Parents said no.
When Helfrich became head coach, he personified the Peter Principle. Way over his head. 1st year, he had almost all of Kelly’s coaches and players. Scott Frost (I believe) was OC and called the plays.
Helfrich couldn’t recruit. Flat out.
Thought kids would just show up . . . Lacked passion and work ethic.
Lost legacy athlete, Elijah Molden, to Peterman. Never put in the effort. Washington did.
After the big season, Helfrich made beyond bonehead hires at DC, to wit: Pellum and Brady Hoke.
Helfrich was Oregon’s coach in the 70-21 slaughter at Autzen Stadium.
Herbert came in that game as a true freshman.
He was a 3* QB from Sheldon HS, Eugene, OR and not highly recruited because he didn’t do the camp circuit. Partipated in football, basketball and baseball as a senior in high school.
Size and big arm coming out of high school. High football IQ.
He was not highly recruited.
Played at Oregon under three head coaches and god knows how many OCs.
He would have been better under a pro style offense.
Smart kid. 4.0 college GPA. Humble. Great parents (like Mariota’s).
Family ties to Oregon Ducks program.
He would have never considered going to Washington.
As you can surmise, Oregon inherited a Corvette and put the program in the tank in a short period of time.
Helfrich was/is an empty suit.
He’s unemployed.
Snap him up.
BTW: You want a safe space and trigger warnings. Gotcha!
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Cordinator. Not a HC. Dip shit.trublue said:
You are ignorant beyond belief.Baseman said:
ALMOST won the natty for you. Best game of an Oregon bandwagon fan's lifetime. Recruited and developed Heisman winner Mariotta started over with Herbert.trublue said:Hire Helfrich. roflmao
A smart Oregon fan would appreciate the contributions for the almost and realize he was over his head as a HC. Of course you're the same dipshit who thinks no NY6 Peterman was the cat's ass.
FM for trying to logic with limp dick Duck
Look at Helfrich’s record before and after Oregon.
Chip Kelly was the de facto offensive coordinator and that included calling ALL the plays while he was head coach.
The only thing that Helfrich can take credit for is identifying and having Kelly offer Mariota after Mariota’s junior year when he attended a football camp at UO. This was before he was the starter at St. Louis High School in Honolulu.
When Mariota arrived at Oregon, he was ready to start (according to practice reports) after a very brief period of time.
Darron Thomas kept the position as a RS junior and led the Ducks to a Rose Bowl victory. Mariota was forced to redshirt his freshman year.
Thomas left with one year of eligibility left with absolutely zero chance of making it in the pros.
Mariota assumed the reigns.
Sark put on the full court press recruiting Mariota as a senior. Mariota visited and wanted to flip to Washington. Parents said no.
When Helfrich became head coach, he personified the Peter Principle. Way over his head. 1st year, he had almost all of Kelly’s coaches and players. Scott Frost (I believe) was OC and called the plays.
Helfrich couldn’t recruit. Flat out.
Thought kids would just show up . . . Lacked passion and work ethic.
Lost legacy athlete, Elijah Molden, to Peterman. Never put in the effort. Washington did.
After the big season, Helfrich made beyond bonehead hires at DC, to wit: Pellum and Brady Hoke.
Helfrich was Oregon’s coach in the 70-21 slaughter at Autzen Stadium.
Herbert came in that game as a true freshman.
He was a 3* QB from Sheldon HS, Eugene, OR and not highly recruited because he didn’t do the camp circuit. Partipated in football, basketball and baseball as a senior in high school.
Size and big arm coming out of high school. High football IQ.
He was not highly recruited.
Played at Oregon under three head coaches and god knows how many OCs.
He would have been better under a pro style offense.
Smart kid. 4.0 college GPA. Humble. Great parents (like Mariota’s).
Family ties to Oregon Ducks program.
He would have never considered going to Washington.
As you can surmise, Oregon inherited a Corvette and put the program in the tank in a short period of time.
Helfrich was/is an empty suit.
He’s unemployed.
Snap him up.
BTW: You want a safe space and trigger warnings. Gotcha! -
I don’t believe Petersen “was the cat’s ass.”Baseman said:
ALMOST won the natty for you. Best game of an Oregon bandwagon fan's lifetime. Recruited and developed Heisman winner Mariotta started over with Herbert.trublue said:Hire Helfrich. roflmao
A smart Oregon fan would appreciate the contributions for the almost and realize he was over his head as a HC. Of course you're the same dipshit who thinks no NY6 Peterman was the cat's ass.
FM for trying to logic with limp dick Duck
I think he’s a great coach who ran a clean program
He’s neither as great as you wished him to be nor as bad as you think he was.
Shit. When they hired Bellotti, I thought they were crazy, but he was a good head coach.
He wasn’t interested in the defense and it showed.
Nick Alliotti, his college buddy was DC for most of that time, to wit: Nick Allowalotti, Mr. Third and Long = Automatic FD.
But overall he did a good job and was well compensated, salary plus a pension of approximately $250,000/year for his 20 years of service.
I hope this helps . . .
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He didn't win a NY6, had his foot on Oregon and USC's neck, dinked around and then he quit. Not great.trublue said:
I don’t believe Petersen “was the cat’s ass.”Baseman said:
ALMOST won the natty for you. Best game of an Oregon bandwagon fan's lifetime. Recruited and developed Heisman winner Mariotta started over with Herbert.trublue said:Hire Helfrich. roflmao
A smart Oregon fan would appreciate the contributions for the almost and realize he was over his head as a HC. Of course you're the same dipshit who thinks no NY6 Peterman was the cat's ass.
FM for trying to logic with limp dick Duck
I think he’s a great coach who ran a clean program
He’s neither as great as you wished him to be nor as bad as you think he was.
Shit. When they hired Bellotti, I thought they were crazy, but he was a good head coach.
He wasn’t interested in the defense and it showed.
Nick Alliotti, his college buddy was DC for most of that time, to wit: Nick Allowalotti, Mr. Third and Long = Automatic FD.
But overall he did a good job and was well compensated, salary plus a pension of approximately $250,000/year for his 20 years of service.
I hope this helps . . . -
Thanks for educating me about Helfrich . . . Goofball
