Biden address
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Pure bullshit. Joe's tax proposal don't even come close to pay off the spending that's already been passed and that he is still proposing, let alone close the current trillion dollar plus annual deficit spending we're already engaging in. Who does these lies of your work on?HHusky said:
We all understand that Daddy ran huge deficits. Still, Joe's proposal includes paying for Joe's proposal.RaceBannon said:
Any money Joe lol raises is already spent and he will end up raising less by raising taxesHHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
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And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.) -
You were just saying I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. I disagree.HHusky said:
That's not Rider ball.hardhat said:
The USA doesn't have a demographic problem. China definitely does. And it's their own fault. The USA will be just fine, thanks to our superior economic system that certain people want to destroy, and to our horrible racist immigration system that allows nearly anyone to come here.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/world-population-2100-country/
Total population isn't the issue. We have old fuckers coming out our ears.
What about kids? -
Not sure where we're missing each other.hardhat said:
You were just saying I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. I disagree.HHusky said:
That's not Rider ball.hardhat said:
The USA doesn't have a demographic problem. China definitely does. And it's their own fault. The USA will be just fine, thanks to our superior economic system that certain people want to destroy, and to our horrible racist immigration system that allows nearly anyone to come here.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/world-population-2100-country/
Total population isn't the issue. We have old fuckers coming out our ears.
What about kids?
Twenty and thirty somethings in the US aren't having many kids. Population growth has been slowing way down. That's a problem. I suspect that has a lot to do with the costs and burdens of child rearing. I'm told people respond to incentives.
The fact we don't have as much a problem as China does is not that comforting. -
Of course, if I wanted to add all the issues that arise with criminalizing abortion into the mix, I'd do that. But I don't.SFGbob said:
And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
I'll agree with you that free daycare isn't enough.
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People are delaying getting married, and having kids. There are all kind of reasons for this. It isn't just about money. Why do poor people tend to have more kids than middle class people? If money were the issue that wouldn't be the case.HHusky said:
Of course, if I wanted to add all the issues that arise with criminalizing abortion into the mix, I'd do that. But I don't.SFGbob said:
And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
I'll agree with you that free daycare isn't enough. -
Look at our supposedly educated college graduates. Who would date a women studies major that was a healthy normal male. What smart female accounting major would marry a male sociology major with $100k of student debt they could never repay? You look at the male and female antifa dudes and dudettes and they are simply non-functional as either citizens or spouses or parents.SFGbob said:
People are delaying getting married, and having kids. There are all kind of reasons for this. It isn't just about money. Why do poor people tend to have more kids than middle class people? If money were the issue that wouldn't be the case.HHusky said:
Of course, if I wanted to add all the issues that arise with criminalizing abortion into the mix, I'd do that. But I don't.SFGbob said:
And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
I'll agree with you that free daycare isn't enough. -
Exactly, we have a lot more mental illness and dysfunctional people out there.WestlinnDuck said:
Look at our supposedly educated college graduates. Who would date a women studies major that was a healthy normal male. What smart female accounting major would marry a male sociology major with $100k of student debt they could never repay? You look at the male and female antifa dudes and dudettes and they are simply non-functional as either citizens or spouses or parents.SFGbob said:
People are delaying getting married, and having kids. There are all kind of reasons for this. It isn't just about money. Why do poor people tend to have more kids than middle class people? If money were the issue that wouldn't be the case.HHusky said:
Of course, if I wanted to add all the issues that arise with criminalizing abortion into the mix, I'd do that. But I don't.SFGbob said:
And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
I'll agree with you that free daycare isn't enough. -
We're getting close. I disagree that we have a demographics problem, and I pointed out that immigration will solve some of that. Population growth is down pretty much worldwide. I don't disagree that cost is a huge factor and that our system can come up with ways to that help support families. I would point out that democrats may have some proposals that seem good in a virtue signaling, sound bite way, but the costs will be passed on to the middle class. It's not free stuff if I am paying 10% more in taxes. I see a lot of weasel words in what Biden is proposing. Small business people are the new Kulaks. I also think that China's problem is not ours. And that graph is a pretty good demonstration of it.HHusky said:
Not sure where we're missing each other.hardhat said:
You were just saying I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. I disagree.HHusky said:
That's not Rider ball.hardhat said:
The USA doesn't have a demographic problem. China definitely does. And it's their own fault. The USA will be just fine, thanks to our superior economic system that certain people want to destroy, and to our horrible racist immigration system that allows nearly anyone to come here.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/world-population-2100-country/
Total population isn't the issue. We have old fuckers coming out our ears.
What about kids?
Twenty and thirty somethings in the US aren't having many kids. Population growth has been slowing way down. That's a problem. I suspect that has a lot to do with the costs and burdens of child rearing. I'm told people respond to incentives.
The fact we don't have as much a problem as China does is not that comforting. -
Middle class people don't want a decline in their lifestyles. And we do want middle class people to reproduce.SFGbob said:
People are delaying getting married, and having kids. There are all kind of reasons for this. It isn't just about money. Why do poor people tend to have more kids than middle class people? If money were the issue that wouldn't be the case.HHusky said:
Of course, if I wanted to add all the issues that arise with criminalizing abortion into the mix, I'd do that. But I don't.SFGbob said:
And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.HHusky said:
Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!SFGbob said:
Weird because Biden and the Rats you vote are currently adding more to the "credit card" than at any other time in our post-war history and you don't seem to have any fucking problem with it. Btw, love the way how you just dodged your bullshit about government spending and tax policies are what created the post war prosperity.HHusky said:
I've been telling you for years that as soon as you present a plausible scenario of the electorate voting to cut their own entitlements, you'll be making a solid case for reducing, or at least not increasing taxes. But here in reality, the only question is when taxes will rise. Sooner would be better. The GOP's credit card approach to spending isn't sustainable.SFGbob said:We spent about 5% of our GDP in 1948 on the entire Marshall plan. We currently spend over 12% of our current GDP every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. That's doesn't even take into account the money we already spend on Welfare. So why don't we already have that widespread prosperity you claim only happens with government raising taxes and spending Dazzler?
How is providing people with government paid for daycare centers going to increase prosperity? The same neighborhoods that have government paid for shitty schools will have government paid for shitty daycare centers and the only thing we will have achieved is taking billions of dollars and lighting it on fucking fire.
And besides, there are additional things people want from their government besides paying social security to old fuckers.
Tell us how giving "free" daycare is going to create greater prosperity Dazzler?
We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
I'll agree with you that free daycare isn't enough.
People have been delaying getting married and having kids for some time. The oldest Echo Boomers are on the cusp of 40. It's mostly a bunch of thirty somethings. The biology doesn't allow for a whole lot more delay.
