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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    HHusky said:

    We all understand that Daddy ran huge deficits. Still, Joe's proposal includes paying for Joe's proposal.
    Pure bullshit. Joe's tax proposal don't even come close to pay off the spending that's already been passed and that he is still proposing, let alone close the current trillion dollar plus annual deficit spending we're already engaging in. Who does these lies of your work on?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    HHusky said:

    Joe's proposing to pay for it. So other than that, fabulous point!

    We've got a demographic problem. I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. (We could steal that idea from China! They have the same problem and they're addressing it.)
    And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    That's not Rider ball.

    Total population isn't the issue. We have old fuckers coming out our ears.

    What about kids?
    You were just saying I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. I disagree.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    hardhat said:

    You were just saying I think we'd better wise up and start providing a lot of benies to people of child rearing age. I disagree.
    Not sure where we're missing each other.

    Twenty and thirty somethings in the US aren't having many kids. Population growth has been slowing way down. That's a problem. I suspect that has a lot to do with the costs and burdens of child rearing. I'm told people respond to incentives.

    The fact we don't have as much a problem as China does is not that comforting.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    SFGbob said:

    And you're dumb enough to believe that giving people "free" daycare will encourage more people to have kids. You do know that the European countries have been trying this for over 25 years, It's not helping. If you really wanted people having more kids you'd be calling for the immediate end to all abortions.
    Of course, if I wanted to add all the issues that arise with criminalizing abortion into the mix, I'd do that. But I don't.

    I'll agree with you that free daycare isn't enough.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    HHusky said:

    Of course, if I wanted to add all the issues that arise with criminalizing abortion into the mix, I'd do that. But I don't.

    I'll agree with you that free daycare isn't enough.

    People are delaying getting married, and having kids. There are all kind of reasons for this. It isn't just about money. Why do poor people tend to have more kids than middle class people? If money were the issue that wouldn't be the case.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,413 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    People are delaying getting married, and having kids. There are all kind of reasons for this. It isn't just about money. Why do poor people tend to have more kids than middle class people? If money were the issue that wouldn't be the case.
    Look at our supposedly educated college graduates. Who would date a women studies major that was a healthy normal male. What smart female accounting major would marry a male sociology major with $100k of student debt they could never repay? You look at the male and female antifa dudes and dudettes and they are simply non-functional as either citizens or spouses or parents.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    Look at our supposedly educated college graduates. Who would date a women studies major that was a healthy normal male. What smart female accounting major would marry a male sociology major with $100k of student debt they could never repay? You look at the male and female antifa dudes and dudettes and they are simply non-functional as either citizens or spouses or parents.
    Exactly, we have a lot more mental illness and dysfunctional people out there.
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited April 2021
    HHusky said:

    Not sure where we're missing each other.

    Twenty and thirty somethings in the US aren't having many kids. Population growth has been slowing way down. That's a problem. I suspect that has a lot to do with the costs and burdens of child rearing. I'm told people respond to incentives.

    The fact we don't have as much a problem as China does is not that comforting.
    We're getting close. I disagree that we have a demographics problem, and I pointed out that immigration will solve some of that. Population growth is down pretty much worldwide. I don't disagree that cost is a huge factor and that our system can come up with ways to that help support families. I would point out that democrats may have some proposals that seem good in a virtue signaling, sound bite way, but the costs will be passed on to the middle class. It's not free stuff if I am paying 10% more in taxes. I see a lot of weasel words in what Biden is proposing. Small business people are the new Kulaks. I also think that China's problem is not ours. And that graph is a pretty good demonstration of it.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    SFGbob said:

    People are delaying getting married, and having kids. There are all kind of reasons for this. It isn't just about money. Why do poor people tend to have more kids than middle class people? If money were the issue that wouldn't be the case.
    Middle class people don't want a decline in their lifestyles. And we do want middle class people to reproduce.

    People have been delaying getting married and having kids for some time. The oldest Echo Boomers are on the cusp of 40. It's mostly a bunch of thirty somethings. The biology doesn't allow for a whole lot more delay.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    HHusky said:

    Middle class people don't want a decline in their lifestyles. And we do want middle class people to reproduce.

    People have been delaying getting married and having kids for some time. The oldest Echo Boomers are on the cusp of 40. It's mostly a bunch of thirty somethings. The biology doesn't allow for a whole lot more delay.
    I didn't get married until I was 38 and didn't buy a house until 40. "Free" daycare wouldn't have changed either of those decisions.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    hardhat said:

    We're getting close. I disagree that we have a demographics problem, and I pointed out that immigration will solve some of that. Population growth is down pretty much worldwide. I don't disagree that cost is a huge factor and that our system can come up with ways to that help support families. I would point out that democrats may have some proposals that seem good in a virtue signaling, sound bite way, but the costs will be passed on to the middle class. It's not free stuff if I am paying 10% more in taxes. I see a lot of weasel words in what Biden is proposing. Small business people are the new Kulaks. I also think that China's problem is not ours. And that graph is a pretty good demonstration of it.
    I agree immigration has a role to play. But while bad economic times often correlate with lower births, the recovery usually results in a rebound. Not so with the Great Recession. Providing for kids is financially back breaking for couples.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,988
    hardhat said:

    The USA doesn't have a demographic problem. China definitely does. And it's their own fault. The USA will be just fine, thanks to our superior economic system that certain people want to destroy, and to our horrible racist immigration system that allows nearly anyone to come here.



    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/world-population-2100-country/
    Interesting when you look at this and think if the implications

    For China to be expansionary (as evidence points in that direction), there is definitely some time urgency there as losing roughly half of your population kind of throws a bit of a monkey wrench into the plan eventually.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,988
    HHusky said:

    Not sure where we're missing each other.

    Twenty and thirty somethings in the US aren't having many kids. Population growth has been slowing way down. That's a problem. I suspect that has a lot to do with the costs and burdens of child rearing. I'm told people respond to incentives.

    The fact we don't have as much a problem as China does is not that comforting.
    Or people choosing to establish their careers first and foremost
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,413 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    Or people choosing to establish their careers first and foremost
    And lots of smart women of any color are choosing their career over any kids.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,413 Standard Supporter
    hardhat said:

    We're getting close. I disagree that we have a demographics problem, and I pointed out that immigration will solve some of that. Population growth is down pretty much worldwide. I don't disagree that cost is a huge factor and that our system can come up with ways to that help support families. I would point out that democrats may have some proposals that seem good in a virtue signaling, sound bite way, but the costs will be passed on to the middle class. It's not free stuff if I am paying 10% more in taxes. I see a lot of weasel words in what Biden is proposing. Small business people are the new Kulaks. I also think that China's problem is not ours. And that graph is a pretty good demonstration of it.
    Immigration would solve some of that. But importing Central Americans with no education and largely coming to the US as a welfare magnet is not solving anything.
  • alumni94alumni94 Member Posts: 4,858
    HHusky said:

    I envy myself and that's why I support me and others like me paying "confiscatory" taxes.

    I don't recall saying that we had a perfect society during or after WWII. I said the groundwork had been laid and our tax and spending policies continued to largely encourage the growth of a prosperous middle class.

    And regardless of what people said and what challenges we faced in 1979 (inflation, stagflation, etc.), there is a vast body of economic data to support the proposition that the shrinking of the middle class--or at least its share of the economy--begins in the 1980s and has continued unabated.
    Please stop trying to be rich on a college football board. NO ONE CARES!

    Are you a child? Look at me, look at me, look at me!!!

  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    Tequilla said:

    Interesting when you look at this and think if the implications

    For China to be expansionary (as evidence points in that direction), there is definitely some time urgency there as losing roughly half of your population kind of throws a bit of a monkey wrench into the plan eventually.
    South Korea and Japan also have dire population contractions in their future, and it's almost too late to stop.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    Look at our supposedly educated college graduates. Who would date a women studies major that was a healthy normal male. What smart female accounting major would marry a male sociology major with $100k of student debt they could never repay? You look at the male and female antifa dudes and dudettes and they are simply non-functional as either citizens or spouses or parents.
    A pretty high-flying generalization there, but go on.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,413 Standard Supporter
    You dream of an ugly woman studies major and you in handcuffs and a ball gag and her girlfriend putting on a strap on? It's a free country, but I have to let you know that's not normal. You are the one with the high flying way alternative lifestyle.
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